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SSPX Liberalism in Canada
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:40:23 AM »
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    Dear Friends-

    Back in April, we published this article on Cardinal Muller's promulgation of new "pastoral guidelines" which will now govern and subject SSPX marriages to the diocesan authorities:  

    http://sodalitium-pianum.com/reflections-on-a-staggering-development/

    Some of you said, "Sean has it all wrong; he is misreading; bad as the SSPX is getting, surely they will not consent to step aside while doubtfully ordained priests accept the matrimonial consents of their own faithful!"

    I told you then that those guidelines supposed that this will be the norm whenever possible, even if for diplomatic reasons (i.e., prevent scandal among the faithful) Rome and the SSPX proceed like Cranmer: Slowly, incrementally, ad experimentum in the more liberal locales (and in the conservative ones, the District Superiors simply go over the head of the local pastors to obtain the permissions/delegations of the local bishops to prevent the opposition of the pastors, as is the case in France).

    Well, today Fr. Girouard spilled the beans:

    Currently in Canada, SSPX faithful are being married by conciliar priests, decked out in their faggy vestments in front of the Lutheran tables at Novus Ordo parishes, while the SSPX priest stands aside, waiting his turn to say his indult Mass after the marriage has been completed.

    A picture is worth a thousand words: https://thebastion.faith/the-neo-sspx-is-turning-chinese/

    Is the time approaching when we who still attend SSPX chapels will be forced by necessity to attend sedevacantist chapels in order to protect ourselves from the liberalism and modernism of the rallied SSPX, despite our aversion for sedevacantism?

    Now you understand why SP has added a "Formless Darkness" page to the blog: http://sodalitium-pianum.com/formless-darkness/

    Semper Idem,
    Sean Johnson

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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 10:08:53 AM »
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #2 on: March 24, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
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    • Fr. Girouard never addresses the most important point:

    The SSPX will no longer marry couples anywhere in the world unless they have the approval of the diocese Novus Ordo "bishop". If the bishop requires that a Novus Ordo priest perform the marriage and the couple refuse to have a Novus Ordo priest, the SSPX will not perform the wedding. Is not the SSPX now admitting that ALL the prior marriages performed by them are suspect? Moreover, the Novus Ordo grants annulments to those married in the SSPX just on the grounds that they were married by the SSPX.

    This is the most important result of this change by the SSPX. The SSPX has been marrying couples for like 50 years till this change. This is not about a theological speculation that affects no one, because it has not been settled. This is about a sacrament.  This is about SSPX couples possible living in adultery. Where is a definitive ruling on the matter from the SSPX or Rome about ALL of the marriages performed by the SSPX and their associated priests like Fr. Danel in Atlanta?
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #3 on: March 24, 2018, 10:41:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 24, 2018, 10:20:43 AM
    Fr. Girouard never addresses the most important point:

    The SSPX will no longer marry couples anywhere in the world unless they have the approval of the diocese Novus Ordo "bishop". If the bishop requires that a Novus Ordo priest perform the marriage and the couple refuse to have a Novus Ordo priest, the SSPX will not perform the wedding. Is not the SSPX now admitting that ALL the prior marriages performed by them are suspect? Moreover, the Novus Ordo grants annulments to those married in the SSPX just on the grounds that they were married by the SSPX.

    This is the most important result of this change by the SSPX. The SSPX has been marrying couples for like 50 years till this change. This is not about a theological speculation that affects no one, because it has not been settled. This is about a sacrament.  This is about SSPX couples possible living in adultery. Where is a definitive ruling on the matter from the SSPX or Rome about ALL of the marriages performed by the SSPX and their associated priests like Fr. Danel in Atlanta?
    Where are you getting this (in red)? This feels like hearsay first, information second.
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #4 on: March 24, 2018, 11:08:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on March 24, 2018, 10:41:48 AM
    Where are you getting this (in red)? This feels like hearsay first, information second.
    It is a question. 
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 11:41:40 AM »
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    • I might point out that one's actions and words can often logically be EQUIVALENT to various sentences, which are actually never uttered.

    For example, John Paul II had the pan-religious meeting in Assisi in 1986. All the "religions" were respected.

    JP2 never actually said, "One religion is as good as another", but his actions screamed it out loud and clear. A person retorting, "But he never actually said that..." wouldn't get far.

    If I shoot a man dead, isn't it equivalent (and even MORE) than merely saying, "he doesn't deserve to live"?

    In other words, there is such a thing as a "logical conclusion".

    If John Doe makes a prediction that "the US Dollar is going to lose 75% of its value this year, another 75% of that value the following year, and then a further 75% of what's left the 3rd year." would it be inaccurate to say, "John Doe predicts the dollar is going to become worthless."? No, that's the logical conclusion of what he's saying.
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2018, 12:09:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on March 24, 2018, 10:08:53 AM
    Why advertise and link to something not yet complete?  
    For the same reason johnson can post this himself and has someone else post his stuff for him.  Obviously trying to solicit a brand!
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #7 on: March 25, 2018, 12:16:32 PM »
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    • Getting beyond the theater, do you advocate attending a sedevacantist chapel?  

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    Is the time approaching when we who still attend SSPX chapels will be forced by necessity to attend sedevacantist chapels in order to protect ourselves from the liberalism and modernism of the rallied SSPX, despite our aversion for sedevacantism?



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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #8 on: March 25, 2018, 12:17:39 PM »
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    • If I were a trad considering marriage, I may prefer to attend an ecclesia dei chapel and be married by them rather than do this sspx/novus ordo marriage dance.  This seems to be proof that whatever good the sspx thinks it can achieved will instead just be neutered by the novus ordo.
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #9 on: March 27, 2018, 09:24:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 24, 2018, 11:08:53 AM
    It is a question.
    I believe this was the same/similar question asked asked by Fr Paul Morgan who answered it by quitting the SSPX.
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    Re: SSPX Liberalism in Canada
    « Reply #10 on: April 05, 2018, 03:32:49 PM »
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