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Re: SSPX Letter on the Vaxing of its NZ Teachers
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2022, 06:21:08 PM »
Why haven't they gone underground? Did they forget of their Catholic history and catacombs?

Re: SSPX Letter on the Vaxing of its NZ Teachers
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2022, 09:20:06 PM »
Meanwhile, over in the Novus Ordo:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bp-strickland-id-rather-die-than-benefit-from-anything-produced-by-using-an-aborted-child/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=usa 


Bp. Strickland: ‘I’d rather die than benefit from anything produced by using an aborted child’

Long a strong critic of abortion-tainted COVID shots, Bishop Strickland is 'tripling down' on his opposition, this time in support of similar statements by Fr. Mark Goring.
Featured ImageBishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas



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Tue Jan 4, 2022 - 9:01 pm EST
(LifeSiteNews) – Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas avowed that he would rather die than attempt to benefit from a “vaccine” produced using an aborted child.
Strickland shared his strongest repudiation yet of abortion-tainted vaccines in a Dec. 30 tweet supporting similar sentiments by Father Mark Goring:




Both Strickland and Goring have been vocal opponents of the use of fetal cell lines in the development of “vaccines” or any other products since at least soon after the COVID-19 outbreak. In December 2020, they discussed with each other the moral problems with the COVID vaccines developed using cell lines of aborted children.
Strickland said of the vaccines at the time, “The bottom line is, if it used unborn children that were aborted, intentionally killed, and we’re using their bodies to build something that helps our bodies, I say no, and I encourage others to say no.”
When Goring brought up the interior conflict of someone who wants to protect an elderly, vulnerable family member from COVID-19 and its potentially deadly consequences, Strickland pointed out that the Code of Canon Law expressly states that it is “based on the salvation of souls,” and therefore all of our decisions should prioritize that end.
Strickland cautioned people “to not compromise that call to everlasting life to hang on to a few more years here.”
While the video from Goring that Strickland shared in his Dec. 30 tweet has since been made private, Goring has two public recent videos expressing his firm rejection of abortion-tainted pharmaceutical products, including “vaccines,” that is, those developed using cells derived from aborted children.
In his “Tainted Pharmaceuticals” video posted Dec. 29 of a homily he gave during Mass, Goring decried the use of products developed using cells of aborted children as a kind of complicity with the killing of children.
Goring recalled how King Herod, in fear of the rise of the King of the Jєωs the Magi, came to adore, ordered the killing of children “from a distance”: “He’s not going to hear the cries, he’s not going to see the blood. … And so, too, this industry, this approach that we’re told is expanding — we don’t see it, we don’t hear it, we don’t hear the cries, but we’re kind of complicit with it.”



Goring noted that the original mainstream “narrative” “was that it was just maybe one or two abortions from the 60s or 70s” used in pharmaceutical products. “But more recently, it’s been acknowledged,” Goring said, that “hundreds” of aborted children have been used to help produce currently used pharmaceuticals.
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“I was talking to a doctor who’s very well aware of this reality of using unborn children to make these products. It’s worse than you imagine,” Goring continued. “I’ll spare you the details, but this is gruesome. It’s horrific. It’s an abomination. It should be outlawed.”
Goring suggested that Christians put pressure on pharmaceutical companies by refusing to use any product that is “abortion-tainted.”
“Money talks,” Goring said. “If you can’t figure out how to make something not abortion tainted, too bad, figure it out. We’re good at figuring things out if we have to.
Goring pointed out in another talk that “many pharmaceutical companies are very happy to highlight that there was no animal testing involved in the production of their products.”
“We should have the same respect for the life of unborn children. If consumers demand to know whether or not a product is abortion tainted, we shouldn’t be laughed out of the pharmacy. This is a perfectly legitimate thing to be concerned about.”
In the same way that labels alert consumers as to whether products have been tested on animals, or whether products contain animal products, pharmaceutical products should have labels indicating whether they’ve been tested on the cell lines of unborn children, Goring suggested in his sermon on tainted pharmaceuticals.
“I want to see a little symbol one day that indicates [that] this medication I’m taking, or the product I’m taking is not abortion tainted. Because I don’t want to have anything to do with the taking of the innocent life of a child,” Goring said.



Strickland, who has frequently decried the abortion-tainted COVID “vaccines,” most recently highlighted the failure of bishops in their duty to oppose totalitarian COVID mandates, in an episode of The Bishop Strickland Show.


Re: SSPX Letter on the Vaxing of its NZ Teachers
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2022, 06:36:10 AM »
Three more articles from (another?) anonymous priest, writing under the pseudonym "Fr. Ambrose Astor," for your consideration:

1) Conscience and Vaccines: https://catacombs.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/misc/Fr._Ambrose_Astor/Ambrosiaster_1_Conscience.pdf

2) Prudence and Vaccines: https://catacombs.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/misc/Fr._Ambrose_Astor/Ambrosiaster_2_Prudence.pdf

3) Charity and Vaccines (Intended for Priests): https://catacombs.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/misc/Fr._Ambrose_Astor/Ambrosiaster_3_Charity.pdf

Fr. Ambrose Astor can be contacted directly here: ambroseastor@protonmail.com

I corresponded with Fr. “Astor,” and here’s how it went:

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Greetings Fr. Astor-

I'm not sure whether you are familiar with the rather surprising lax position the SSPX has taken regarding the moral liceity of the COVID19 "vaccine" (until 2006, they held that under no circuмstances could anyone knowingly receive an abortion-tainted vaccine, but reversed that position after the 2005 PAL docuмent), but in the course of my online opposition to that position, I came across your recent articles on conscience, prudence, and charity relative to the jab, and wondered if you could take a look at the attached letter the SSPX recently published in New Zealand, announcing that the teachers at it's school there would take the "vaccine" in order to keep their school open.

It seems the SSPX is not concerned to meet the requirements for moral liceity contained within the 2008/2020 CDF docuмents (preferring instead to quote from manuals regarding general principles of remote material cooperation in evil generally).

What do you make of the arguments contained in the attached letter, ostensibly permitting the use of abortion-tainted vaccines?

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson
USA

Fr. “Ambrose Astor’s” response:

Dear Mr Johnson,

Thank you for your message. I am aware of the SSPX position which does indeed sidestep the fundamental issue of the derivation of the vaccines.

I understand the approach of the NZ district, but I cannot approve. It is a terrible thing to have to close a good school because of unjust mandates.

In my humble opinion, it is nevertheless essential that the schools resist, even if they have to close for a time. There are some countries in which the state has backed down eventually. I think it is a lack of faith and putting too much confidence in man.

Disappointing.

God bless you.
Fr Ambrose

Re: SSPX Letter on the Vaxing of its NZ Teachers
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2022, 08:35:11 AM »
Meanwhile, over in the Novus Ordo:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bp-strickland-id-rather-die-than-benefit-from-anything-produced-by-using-an-aborted-child/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=usa

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/bp-schneider-theres-a-basic-error-in-vatican-docuмents-on-material-cooperation-with-abortion-tainted-vaccines/


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(in some cases, like this last one, the stand isn't so much about the murdered baby cells, but the injustice of mandates, but still, that's better than the official SSPX position which is:  "just cave to the pressure".) 

Re: SSPX Letter on the Vaxing of its NZ Teachers
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2022, 08:58:40 AM »
Father Robert Altier rejected the three U.S.-backed coronavirus vaccines in late-stage testing on moral grounds

I know this priest, and used to go to the Church of St. Agnes where he was then stationed back in the mid-late 1990's during my Novus Ordo days.

The Novus Ordo there was (and still is) in Latin, using the traditional Canon exclusively, with Gregorian chant (and even poliphony), communion rail, on the tongue kneeling, with solemn high Masses which even feature a sub-deacon (which is persona non grata in the Novus Ordo), birettas, and incense.

Its probably the most "conservative" Mass venue in the ccountry, and is a stepping-stone to the indult, and then the SSPX (many people at the local SSPX chapels used to go there).

Doctrinally -unless he has changed since I last spoke with his 20+ years ago- he would be a JPII priest: Good on morals, but a hermeneutic of continuity-BXVI'er doctrinally.

Today, he is now biritual, saying the TLM on the weekends (though I'm not sure how that will continue in the era of TC).

Anyway, I remember when this sermon came out, and how strange I thought it was that the Archbishop smacked him down, going so far as to solicit the refutation of Fr. Altier's sermon by the state health department. 

I remember starting to refute the health department's letter, but than abandoning the project, because it would only result in a worse punishment from the Archbishop if he should continue to debate the matter, or if the public should then start defending him.  Bishops rarely admit they're wrong.

To his credit, Fr. Altier refused the bishop's request to recant/retract his sermon (this was announced by Archbishop Hebda), and he has more or less left him alone since then (or at least, I haven't seen anything in the local Catholic media to indicate otherwise).