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Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2017, 03:50:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on September 28, 2017, 02:41:03 PM
    God never took away the Mass and Sacraments.  Man abandoned God and refused to give to him their love and offer him their worship.
    Right!  I said He ALLOWED It to happen.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #31 on: September 28, 2017, 04:56:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on September 28, 2017, 03:50:00 PM
    Right!  I said He ALLOWED It to happen.
    God has never forced us to love Him.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #32 on: September 28, 2017, 05:15:48 PM »
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    • Has anyone tried to follow up with District to find out why they left Tulsa and what happened to the $$ from the property sale?  How many attended Mass there?
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #33 on: September 28, 2017, 05:48:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on September 28, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
    Has anyone tried to follow up with District to find out why they left Tulsa and what happened to the $$ from the property sale?  How many attended Mass there?
    Okie Trad has some details.

    http://okietraditionalist.blogspot.com/2017/09/sspx-tulsa-is-officially-closed.html
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #34 on: September 28, 2017, 08:30:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 28, 2017, 05:48:57 PM
    Okie Trad has some details.

    http://okietraditionalist.blogspot.com/2017/09/sspx-tulsa-is-officially-closed.html
    People continue to make excuse for the shrinking coverage. They say the Society is growing in the USA, if this is true why the closing chapels? Lets face it, The old grey mare ain't what she use to be. If they are leaving for whatever reason all or most of that money should be returned, as a matter of justice and honor.
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    « Reply #35 on: September 28, 2017, 08:49:29 PM »
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    « Reply #36 on: September 28, 2017, 10:00:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 28, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
    Your post is removed, Laramie. What did you say?
    Wait...what?
    Do you mean my posted comment on Okie Trad ´s post?
    I erased it and basically said everything this week on my blog.
    I've a bit more to say next week.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #37 on: September 28, 2017, 10:35:29 PM »
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    • incrudulous - I listened to a fr. ripperberger sermon months ago on generational spirits, and I turned that garbage off.  When he started talking about how los angeles is guided by or enslaved to the spirit of "unreality", and how obvious it was, I concluded the guy was a quack, and clicked end.  The fssp do not have the goods.  

    The best approach to this crisis is still embodied in +lefebvre.  And, from what I recently read about the capuchins of morgon, they are continuing just that.  The traditional missionary is what is needed.  And, our missions do not need all of the flares we currently see with the neo sspx.  Our Lord said "when you are invited to a feast, take the lowest place".  
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    « Reply #38 on: October 02, 2017, 09:54:27 AM »
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    • In contrast to the milquetoast talks given by the SSPX, I think the Senus Fidelum lectures are cutting edge.

    Whoever talks about the compiled sins and characteristics of 6-generations?

    It is intriguing.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #39 on: October 02, 2017, 10:24:47 AM »
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    • I have to wonder if the future of tradition will consist in mainly independent chapels. Especially if the SSPX reconciles with Modernist Rome. 
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #40 on: October 02, 2017, 10:31:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
    I have to wonder if the future of tradition will consist in mainly independent chapels. Especially if the SSPX reconciles with Modernist Rome.
    The present and the future of tradition already do consist in independent chapels.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #41 on: October 02, 2017, 11:21:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on October 02, 2017, 10:31:49 AM
    The present and the future of tradition already do consist in independent chapels. 
    And yet quite a few trads still attend SSPX chapels. 
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #42 on: October 02, 2017, 11:28:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2017, 11:21:20 AM
    And yet quite a few trads still attend SSPX chapels.

    Instead of separating with the compromisers, those individuals wil receive SSPX Sacraments, as well as their indoctrination and interpretation of the world situation and Crisis in the Church.

    And when Msgr Fellay is in good stead with Francis, there is no Crisis in the Church.

    Better they should step outside the Chapel during the sermon, rather than be infected with the SSPX's take on reality.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #43 on: October 02, 2017, 11:35:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on October 02, 2017, 11:28:35 AM
    Instead of separating with the compromisers, those individuals wil receive SSPX Sacraments, as well as their indoctrination and interpretation of the world situation and Crisis in the Church.

    And when Msgr Fellay is in good stead with Francis, there is no Crisis in the Church.

    Better they should step outside the Chapel during the sermon, rather than be infected with the SSPX's take on reality.

    The substance of SSPX sermons (or lack thereof) is not what I was getting at. I was making the comment (observation) that many trads still attend SSPX chapels. Is this in doubt? I think that will change if the SSPX reconciles, but many will still want to look elsewhere for the sacraments even if they don't reconcile, obviously. Where will they go?  

    Where are all of these supposed independent or Resistance chapels? They are few and far between, as far as I can see. I live in the largest city in the Pacific Northwest, and there are no independent or Resistance chapels anywhere around here, except for sedevacantist chapels. There will need to be more independent chapels, IMO.
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    Re: SSPX Leaves Tulsa / I want specifically Cathinfo opinion
    « Reply #44 on: October 02, 2017, 01:15:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2017, 11:35:54 AM
    I live in the largest city in the Pacific Northwest, and there are no independent or Resistance chapels anywhere around here, except for sedevacantist chapels.
    So where's your problem?  

    Not sure anymore of population centers around there, but I assume you live in Seattle or Portland.  It's a drive, but there is Saint Mary's in Tacoma.  I'd much rather go there than to anything else you're looking at.
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