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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX: Kicking Off Holy Week with Tradcuмenism
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2021, 12:35:36 PM »
P.S. To bolster my argument, all I need to provide is ONE case where the SSPX used a heavy hand with various religious orders: "tow the line, or no priestly ordinations for you!" and alas, this has happened at least once. So much for the SSPX taking care of the whole Trad world with their bishops -- which might THEORETICALLY have erased the state of necessity.

But if the SSPX has shown any pettiness (which they have), then more bishops are needed, to provide NECESSARY bishop services to these groups who run "afoul" of the SSPX heavy hand.

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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2021, 01:36:03 PM »
But think about it, seriously. How flawed is the "First Dibs" or "Winner Take All" argument.

Why would the first bishops to be consecrated without a Papal Mandate be granted some kind of exclusive license to that position? Why would OTHER GROUPS have to come to THEM for Trad bishops -- rather than vice-versa?  What makes that "first across the Finish Line" so fundamentally special?

It would imply that God, or the Church, awards some kind of bonus jurisdiction or authority -- outside the usual channels (i.e., from the Pope) -- to the first "not in Communion with the Conciliar Church" who consecrates bishops for Tradition.

Think about it. Who would suggest Bp. Fellay is any more "legitimate" than Bp. Zendejas? Did either one of them receive an explicit Papal Mandate from the reigning Pontiff? If not, then they are on equal footing. That is the *only* way to look at it.

The situation at the time of Consecration was virtually the same. If anything, the Conciliar Church is in worse shape now, with an even worse prognosis for the future, compared to 1988. There were other existing Traditional bishops in 1988 when +Fellay was consecrated, too. They are called SEDEVACANTISTS and INDEPENDENT BISHOPS. The Nine (who left the SSPX in 1983) have had a couple of bishops from among their number for some time. When was Bp. Sanborn consecrated?


Offline Matthew

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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2021, 01:40:08 PM »
And again, a much weaker argument is that the SSPX only has 3 bishops (technically) but 1 of them is retired from active duty and/or living in a senior care facility. 2 Trad bishops for the whole world? I think not.

Also, the SSPX has shown *every indication* that it refuses to consecrate any more bishops "illegally", so it doesn't run afoul of Roman Authorities. Their actions (including the condemnations of +Williamson's recent consecrations) make this explicitly clear.

How close to death must a bishop be, before it is legitimate to consecrate a replacement? 1 month? 1 year? 3 years? I think there would at least be some wiggle room there.

But again, my above argument is the real one. This little argument is just a cherry on top.

Re: SSPX: Kicking Off Holy Week with Tradcuмenism
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2021, 03:57:44 PM »
I believe the following question was brought up at some point here on CathInfo so pardon us, o pardon us...

If the neoSSPX HAS to rely at least in terms of permission from Conciliaroma for new consecrations, how can the neoSSPX ever be a force for Tradition?
(Which considering they have already fallen anyway, are they really a steward for Tradition anymore? Based on all the compromises, I do not believe they are.) 

Once you get Nervous Ordite “bishops” into the mix, with respect to consecrating, how does that NOT kill the neoSSPX?

Perhaps the neoSSPX has not been completely over come by the waves, but her bow is definitely under water, and her stern is bottoms up. 

Re: SSPX: Kicking Off Holy Week with Tradcuмenism
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2021, 09:23:21 PM »
I believe the following question was brought up at some point here on CathInfo so pardon us, o pardon us...

If the neoSSPX HAS to rely at least in terms of permission from Conciliaroma for new consecrations, how can the neoSSPX ever be a force for Tradition?
(Which considering they have already fallen anyway, are they really a steward for Tradition anymore? Based on all the compromises, I do not believe they are.)

Once you get Nervous Ordite “bishops” into the mix, with respect to consecrating, how does that NOT kill the neoSSPX?

Perhaps the neoSSPX has not been completely over come by the waves, but her bow is definitely under water, and her stern is bottoms up.

It’s end game for the SSPX’s role in maintaining traditional Catholic priestly formation.  Their time has passed.  

But what masonic reward does the SSPX inner circle get out of their great compromise?

Are these priests planning on retiring in first class Swiss convalescent homes?