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Offline Mr G

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SSPX Jurisdiction
« on: September 14, 2019, 07:37:02 AM »
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  • http://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2019/09/ite-missa-est.html

    Ite Missa Est

    There has been some confusion in the UK concerning a recent editorial by Superior Fr Brucciani.
    In the above he states
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    "With the shepherds indisposed, as Catholics, we need to submit to a legitimate authority to practice our faith. Such is the constitution of the Church - no Catholic is sufficient to himself. The Society of St. Pius X was originally founded to train priests but it has subsequently been forced into the role of an emergency hierarchy – not in opposition to the official hierarchy, but filling the gaps where the official hierarchy is morally absent. In practical terms, this means that those who attend a Society Mass Centre should see the priest who has charge of the Mass Centre their parish priest. He has an authority which binds under sin when properly exercised. The idea that the crisis in the Church liberates the faithful from ecclesiastical authority is pure liberalism!  https://fsspx.uk/en/news-events/news/staying-catholic-ite-missa-est-editorial-50218
    It goes without saying that some may have concerns that Fr is overstepping his boundaries with these comments. In the latest catechism class by Fr Morgan, some concerned laity asked what he thought of it and Fr Morgan answers politely at about the hour mark.



     As there still may be some confusion a friend contacted a Resistant cleric who kindly answered the following.
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    Dear *****,

    What Fr B writes is an attempt to solve the insoluble.  When a Pope is as destructive of the Church as Francis who at least seems to be the present Pope, and when the large part of the Church hierarchy has for 60 years been sliding into apostasy, then Catholics have an insoluble problem, until the day when the Pope and heirarchy are put back on their feet by Almighty God -- nobody less can do that.

    In the meantime Catholics as Catholics cannot not feel the need and desire for God's own authority to guide them to Heaven with authoritative commands.  But the need does not create the reality for so long as God does not rescue His wayward representatives. Authority cannot come from below, by definition. All that can come from below is some substitute for God's own authority because that authority only descends down the hierarchy from the Pope.

    Therefore, strictly speaking, Fr B is out of line. More loosely speaking he is making the best of a bad job. Archb. L. said that Catholics should treat their SSPX pastors as their authoritative pastors. And if these pastors stay on track, God will no doubt expect them to be followed by the Catholic laity. But we see what has happened to the SSPX !   What would the Archbishop say today ?  He could no longer be saying, treat your SSPX pastors as authoritative pastors. He would have to be saying, follow them as long as you judge them to be faithful, and pray that the Holy Ghost give you good judgment. He could not possibly be saying, follow them unconditionally. He himself never followed the Conciliar Popes unconditionally, but always conditionally upon their keeping the Faith, which he judged by the docuмents and catechisms of 2000 years of Church history.

    In conclusion, I can understand Fr B writing what he has here written, but I would never have written it myself as it stands.  Catholics are in greater difficulty by the collapse of the hierarchy, but they are also  in greater possibility of merit by having to do without a hierarchical authority to get to Heaven.

    I hope this is clear.    
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #1 on: September 14, 2019, 08:14:55 AM »
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  • The Cabal (from Kabbalah) has long arrogated illegitimate "authority" to itself.  Ultimately and eternally their proud pose will come to an ugly end.


    Offline Seraphina

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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #2 on: September 14, 2019, 12:44:21 PM »
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  • When every priest says something different, and when those priests instruct to keep away from the other priests, their Masses and Sacraments, the flock is left with mob rule.  When a single lamb finds itself put out by the flock, it finds itself under self-rule, doomed to failure.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #3 on: September 14, 2019, 02:17:55 PM »
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  • True. How are you and
     What have you been doing about Mass and sacraments?
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline hollingsworth

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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #4 on: September 14, 2019, 06:01:22 PM »
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    Seraphina: When every priest says something different, and when those priests instruct to keep away from the other priests, their Masses and Sacraments, the flock is left with mob rule.  When a single lamb finds itself put out by the flock, it finds itself under self-rule, doomed to failure.

    Doomed to failure, perhaps, in attempts to find a priest conducting a suitable Mass.  However, I find this prayer very helpful:
     
             Lord Jesus Christ, our Mediator with the Father,
             Who has deemed to appoint His Most Blessed Mother to be our Mother also,
             Grant that whoever comes to Thee, seeking Thy favors,
             May rejoice to receive all of the them through Her.
    We are instructed, in these last days, to be devoted to Mary's Immaculate Heart, and to recite the daily Rosary.  Those are the "last two remedies," as conveyed through Sr. Lucy to Fr. Fuentes in 1957.  The Blessed Virgin says that there will be no other remedies available.  If we neglect these, says Our Lady, we will have committed a sin against the Holy Ghost. Not my words or opinions, but Our Lady's.
    So while all else may fail, Our Lady's promises can still pave the way to final victory.
     


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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #5 on: September 14, 2019, 06:10:26 PM »
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  • SSPX has always tried to pretend that they have jurisdiction and authority.

    Disobey the Pope all you want, but it's a sin to disobey +Fellay.

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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #6 on: September 14, 2019, 06:23:40 PM »
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    Disobey the Pope all you want, but it's a sin to disobey +Fellay.

    I think you are probably right.  When I was serving at the altar at both an SSPX chapel and the local FSSP chapter in the Coeur d'Alene area, I did not hear a peep from the SSPX prior.  He knew full well what I was doing and raised not the slightest protest.  But when he discovered that I had been critical of Bp. Fellay, I was immediately dismissed from my duties, and advised to go over to the FSSP.  I had not been disobedient to the SG.  Mere criticism of some of his actions was enough to earn an immediate and summary dismissal. 

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    Re: SSPX Jurisdiction
    « Reply #7 on: September 14, 2019, 06:28:38 PM »
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  • SSPX has always tried to pretend that they have jurisdiction and authority.
    I'm assuming you mean this since +F assumed the position of SG, not prior...