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Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2019, 06:26:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 18, 2019, 06:21:03 PM
    And that they are, if you are still REALLY a trad.

    But since the neo-SSPX has been preaching it is no longer practical to have more than 5-6 children in the modern world, the NTAV (Neo-Trad Assault Vehicle) needs to be reduced a level to the old 7-person minivan.
    I wonder if the next generation of Trads will be like the Baby Boomers, not quite D.I.N.K. or 2 child-level, but not "natural sized" either. Kind of like a repeat of the Baby Boomer generation born in the 40's thru early 60's.

    Boomers rarely had more than 4 children, which (among many other reasons) is why they are so materially prosperous today. They also rarely homeschooled. While Boomers were of childbearing age, homeschooling was rare and fringe. So now that they're in their 60's, the copious amounts of time & money some of them donate to good causes (pro-Life, the Church, etc.) is, let's be honest, the least they can do to help the cause. You can't exactly go back in time and "do the right thing" (lay off the NFP or worse, and let God decide your family size)

    Let's put it this way:
    GOOD: Retired Baby Boomer with 3 kids (grown, of course) donating $5,000 a month to his Trad chapel, and/or donating a lump sum of $200,000.
    BETTER: Gen X or Millennial using no NFP or birth control, wife stays home and homeschools, teaches kids the Faith, and family can only afford to donate $10 a week to the Church collection.

    *Note, when I talk family sizes, I'm speaking generally here. I'm not talking about couples with age, fertility or health issues. Generally speaking, a healthy couple that marries before 30 can expect to have more than 4 children. Just look at natural family sizes anywhere in the world, before 1940 or so.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #16 on: December 18, 2019, 06:34:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 18, 2019, 06:22:05 PM
    Hahaha Trads have a love-hate relationship with them. I know my wife wants one that doesn't look so standard and commercial, and like every stereotypical Trad in Traddieland. I think there is one main brand that all the Trads get, but a few alternate brands/designs you can get for that vehicle size. I haven't looked into them much; I'd have to ask my wife for the details. All I know is that we're in the market now.

    Yes, my wife wants the same.  She really likes the new Ford Transits.  They're about $50K new, but there are a lot of used ones floating around; they tend not to accuмulate too much mileage.

    Here are 2 in your neck of the woods-

    https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=530984216&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE

    https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=527710514&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE&LNX=VDPEMLSHRE

    Both are about the same price, with one being slightly older and fewer miles (2016 with 18K), the other slightly newer with more miles (2018 with 35K).  In both cases, the manufacturer warranty is close to being over, but the extended warranties through a dealer aren't too bad a deal.

    My only problem is that I hate Fords.  We had nothing but grief from a Ford Expedition ... and other people tell similar horror stories.

    Hey, Matthew, why don't get one of these and hold a CathInfo fund raiser raffle?
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #17 on: December 18, 2019, 06:38:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 18, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
    So, long story short, you need a 15-passenger vehicle LONG before one would think.

    Agreed.  Now, my wife and I only ended up with 6 ... but that was due to the fact that she was 29 and I 32 when we got married.  Nevertheless, the 8-passenger Ford Expedition never worked for us due to zero trunk space.  We could not ever go on a long trip which required us to carry luggage.  And it felt cramped, and kids had to crawl over one another to get in.

    With the exception of the Chevy Express ... which offered an AWD model ... the vast majority of these have always been rear wheel drive, which isn't ideal for Winter conditions up north.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #18 on: December 18, 2019, 06:41:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 18, 2019, 06:08:57 PM
    The car has an MSRP of $39,900

    That's half the price of a good starter home. Not talking about down payment, I mean total cost.

    You could sell that car, buy a new car with the money, and with the other $15,000 cash left over...
    The value of this car be "taxable income" in the United States.  If the winner doesn't have the cash to pay those taxes, he  might have to sell it just to pay the taxes due.  Depending upon how much he could get for the car, there may or may not be any cash "left over".

    Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2019, 06:22:21 PM
    Well, Jaguars aren't what they used to be; they used to be very distinct cars but now look like any Japanese luxury vehicle.
    I was thinking the same thing.  This picture looks like any random higher end car, not even a luxury car.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #19 on: December 18, 2019, 06:43:16 PM »
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    • Hold your breath:

    Emmite Lucem Tuam has just logged in with a forthcoming pre-planned response....
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #20 on: December 18, 2019, 06:44:19 PM »
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    • I might enter the drawing and, if I win, sell the stupid thing and buy one of these Ford Transits.  And the difference would be enough to pay off the taxes on the winning.  I would take pictures, a "before" picture of just my wife and I in the Jag ... maybe even have my wife caress it like those a couple of those seminarians were doing to the Benz ... and then an "after" picture of my wife and I and all our kids in the Transit.  Better yet, I'll have my kids posting AROUND the Jag in exactly the same positions as the seminarians in the Benz picture ... since they can't actually fit INSIDE the vehicle.

    But ... would that entail material cooperation in evil ... to buy a ticket and help fund the SSPX?   ;)
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #21 on: December 18, 2019, 06:47:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 18, 2019, 06:38:05 PM
    With the exception of the Chevy Express ... which offered an AWD model ... the vast majority of these have always been rear wheel drive, which isn't ideal for Winter conditions up north.

    I have a Ford Transit 150 van (which I bought used as a return from a car rental company) which gets stuck on flat wet grass  :facepalm:

    TERRIBLE in any amount of snow.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #22 on: December 18, 2019, 06:48:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 18, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
    I have a Ford Transit 150 van (which I bought used as a return from a car rental company) which gets stuck on flat wet grass  :facepalm:

    TERRIBLE in any amount of snow.

    Yeah, the only thing that could save you would be dedicated Winter tires like the Blizzaks ... but then you'd have to swap them out twice a year (at a cost of $100 each time just for the labor).
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #23 on: December 18, 2019, 06:51:48 PM »
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    • The video states the winner can have the car or $20,000.00
    Isn't the car worth twice that? :confused:
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #24 on: December 18, 2019, 06:52:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 18, 2019, 06:43:16 PM
    Hold your breath:

    Emmite Lucem Tuam has just logged in with a forthcoming pre-planned response....

    Well, guess that scared him away (for now)...He'll be back to this thread, for sure.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #25 on: December 18, 2019, 06:59:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 18, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
    I have a Ford Transit 150 van (which I bought used as a return from a car rental company) which gets stuck on flat wet grass  :facepalm:

    TERRIBLE in any amount of snow.
    Yeah that's one problem for me -- we live in the country. Snow and ice are a non-issue in our part of Texas, but our driveway is gravel, and we drive on our rolling, bumpy land more often than not. I like something with more of a truck frame than a minivan frame. Something that can pull a utility trailer too.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #26 on: December 18, 2019, 07:10:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 18, 2019, 06:08:57 PM
    The car has an MSRP of $39,900

    That's half the price of a good starter home. Not talking about down payment, I mean total cost.

    You could sell that car, buy a new car with the money, and with the other $15,000 cash left over...
    Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K?   Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #27 on: December 18, 2019, 07:13:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 18, 2019, 07:10:57 PM
    Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K?   Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?
    Indiana.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #28 on: December 18, 2019, 07:14:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 18, 2019, 04:53:18 PM
    That will fit a natural, Catholic-sized family where the couple doesn't practice birth control.

    ...NOT!

    A luxury car? Seriously? Why not have 2 more reasonable cars in the raffle instead?

    Is a luxury sports car really what Traditional Catholics want? If I won that, the first thing I'd do is sell it so I could buy a practical car for my family. Even if I was buying a car for commuting, I'd pick a truck or something I could haul furniture and other stuff (by the side of the road, free stuff, etc.) In other words, Catholics should be seeking things practical, not luxury or cars that are only good for thrills or breaking the law (speed limit).
    As noted elsewhere in this thread, the raffle is not directed primarily towards traditional Catholics.  Money from outside the movement spends just the same as money from inside the movement.  I'm as poor as dirt (in income, not necessarily in assets) and $20 for one ticket is something I'm going to have to give some thought to.  Money is tight these days.
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    Re: SSPX Jaguar Giveaway
    « Reply #29 on: December 18, 2019, 07:15:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 18, 2019, 07:10:57 PM
    Where in the United States, with good jobs in relative abundance, can you can buy a "starter home" for $80K?   Detached home, with a modest yard (front and back), at least two bedrooms, and not in the ghetto?

    Texas and many other places in "flyover country". Don't have a career where you are forced to live in a huge city, and/or on one of the Coasts. You might make more money, but you'll spend it all on housing and cost of living!
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