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Title: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: cosmas on September 05, 2019, 04:21:01 PM
Angelus Press Recruits
a Specialist on Addiction
 

For the 2019 Angelus Press Conference!

 
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Fr. Sean Kilcawley is an internationally-recognized specialist on Catholic anthropology, focusing on the problem of pornography. For the past five years as the Director for the Office of Family Life in the diocese of Lincoln, NE, Fr. Kilcawley has relentlessly worked to educate clergy and parents on the dangers and harms of pornography and the path to healing for individuals, spouses, and families. He has facilitated training for clergy in over 30 dioceses in the United States, Italy, as well as the dioceses of Hong Kong and Macau in China. He has lead many recovery groups for men, women, and their spouses, and has experience facilitating intensive healing workshops for addicts. Given the facts that the average age of exposure to pornography is between 8-11 years old and that this problem is equally pervasive among Catholics everywhere, we have asked Fr. Kilcawley to share his experience with us at this year’s conference. Our Lord Jesus Christ tells us, “Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.” It is our sacred duty as priests and laity alike to protect and preserve the vision of God for all, especially our youth. Fr. Kilcawley will provide insight and tools that we may use to protect and guide our children as we raise them to be chaste and faithful to Christ in the midst of our hypersɛҳuąƖized culture.
 
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 06, 2019, 05:26:07 AM
Well, if he could provide some practical guidance to help people with the vice of pornography (which SSPX knows is a huge problem these days), then more power to him.  Of course, he'll probably offer "Mass", hear "Confessions", and interject in his practical advice lots of Modernist JP2 principles.

If the SSPX really wanted to do this, they should take his information, reformat it along the lines of Catholic thinking and Catholic principles, and re-present it to their faithful.

I wonder if he'll be like Christopher West and get graphic and lewd in front of families with younger children.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Stubborn on September 06, 2019, 05:36:53 AM
 :facepalm:

This NO expert on porn will dialogue the masses into more problems.

Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: josefamenendez on September 06, 2019, 07:53:12 AM
To fight and win against the scourge of pornography, we must acknowledge and name the enemy that uses this abomination against us: it is the Jєω who created, promotes and wholely owns the pornographic industry- A horrible addiction whose sole intent is to  demoralize and weaken christian men (and women) into sterile incompetent weaklings and to destroy the Christian family.
Pornography is weaponized spiritual and psychological warfare by the Jєω against Christians-I don't think Kilcawley is likely to go there.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 06, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
I don't think Kilcawley is likely to go there.

Uhm, no.  If he did, he'd have been defrocked by the Novus Ordo years ago.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Marys Anawim on September 06, 2019, 01:01:38 PM

If the SSPX really wanted to do this, they should take his information, reformat it along the lines of Catholic thinking and Catholic principles, and re-present it to their faithful.


That is so true. 
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Alexandria on September 06, 2019, 01:14:31 PM
I don't like what is happening to the SSPX.  It's been a gradual process since 2000.  Little by little.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Maria Regina on September 06, 2019, 01:27:21 PM
I don't like what is happening to the SSPX.  It's been a gradual process since 2000.  Little by little.
drip, drip, drip

I used to subscribe to the Angelus. No more.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Texana on September 08, 2019, 07:16:25 AM
Does anyone know who selected the speakers for the conference?  Does anyone know the "artist" who painted the deformed ugly "hobbit-like" foot that is placed on top of Our Lady's foot on the serpent's head?  It is very disturbing!
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Meg on September 08, 2019, 10:01:13 AM
Like others here, I find it disturbing that the SSPX wants a Novus Ordo priest from the conciliar church to present information on a sensitive topic. Can't the SSPX be bothered to provide the needed information on this subject? Is a priest who has professed his allegiance to JP2 really to be trusted to provide proper teaching to the Catholic faithful in the SSPX?

This is betrayal, plain and simple, to the faithful of the SSPX who believes that the leadership of the SSPX actually cares about them. Obviously, the leadership does not care about them. The leadership of the SSPX has betrayed the memory of Archbishop Lefebvre (no surprise there). +ABL would NOT have invited a conciliar priest who is a disciple of JP2 to preach to the laity of the SSPX. It is shameful and scandalous.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Texana on September 08, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
It seems that novus ordo Fr Sean has created a cottage industry from sɛҳuąƖ addiction and pornography--a never ending source of income. Look into Set Free Global Summit, Integrity Restored, Avila Institue, and Covenant Eyes. His interviews reveal his own sin through graduate school at the JPII Institute in Rome and how psychologists/therapists helped him where priests did not (see The Regular Catholic Guy Show-"Combating the Destructive Impacts of Pornography with Fr. Sean Kilcawley-023).  Surprise, surprise--he is an authority on Theology of the Body and he uses course, vulgar language at times--he's very trendy with the college Theology on Tap crowds.  
     It seems SSPX priests and laity are totally clueless about the evils of novus ordo thinking and agendas.  Clueless or diabolically influenced?  There is a definite difference from the true Roman Catholic priesthood so treasured by Archbishop Lefebvre protected through his Apostolic succession and the presiders of the novus ordo.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 09, 2019, 09:30:07 AM
Many of us left the novus ordo to tradition and truth.  Who wants to go back to liberal teachings?  
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 09, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
https://godly.com/en/authors/fr-sean-kilcawley (https://godly.com/en/authors/fr-sean-kilcawley)

Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 09, 2019, 09:44:25 AM
https://godly.com/en/authors/fr-sean-kilcawley (https://godly.com/en/authors/fr-sean-kilcawley)

Bizarre and perverted ... not unlike Christopher West.  He claims that all the people who were about to stone the "woman caught in adultery" (Mary Magdalene) were looking at her with lust.  His take, evidently, is that she was dragged out into the street naked and those picking up stones lusted after her.  Typical Christopher West-like perversion.  He has no business addressing Catholic youth.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: dymphnaw on September 09, 2019, 09:46:32 AM
Does anyone know who selected the speakers for the conference?  Does anyone know the "artist" who painted the deformed ugly "hobbit-like" foot that is placed on top of Our Lady's foot on the serpent's head?  It is very disturbing!
You mean the Christ child's foot? That's from the   Madonna and Child with St. Anne by Caravaggio. 
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: X on September 09, 2019, 10:02:58 AM
It seems that novus ordo Fr Sean has created a cottage industry from sɛҳuąƖ addiction and pornography--a never ending source of income. Look into Set Free Global Summit, Integrity Restored, Avila Institue, and Covenant Eyes. His interviews reveal his own sin through graduate school at the JPII Institute in Rome and how psychologists/therapists helped him where priests did not (see The Regular Catholic Guy Show-"Combating the Destructive Impacts of Pornography with Fr. Sean Kilcawley-023).  Surprise, surprise--he is an authority on Theology of the Body and he uses course, vulgar language at times--he's very trendy with the college Theology on Tap crowds.  
     It seems SSPX priests and laity are totally clueless about the evils of novus ordo thinking and agendas.  Clueless or diabolically influenced?  There is a definite difference from the true Roman Catholic priesthood so treasured by Archbishop Lefebvre protected through his Apostolic succession and the presiders of the novus ordo.

The SSPX is not deceived about Fr. Kilcawley:

If it wants in with the conciliar church, it must not only demonstrate to Rome that it can play nice in the sandbox with its former enemies, but even more importantly, “that there no longer be rejection in their hearts.”

So, while +Huonder celebrates Mass for the SSPX faithful in Switzerland, Fr. Kilcawley makes a maiden voyage to introduce (however restrained) a conciliar approach regarding a real modern problem, to SSPXers.

Relentlessly, but ever so subtly, these little conciliar advances turn up the temperature on the boiled frogs (who show every sign of enjoying the hot tub).

Hat-tip to Bishop Fellay (and Fr. Pagliarani), who, learning from Cranmer and Celier, knew just how to orchestrate -patiently, patiently- the reorientation of practically the entire SSPX and its base of faithful.

There are no protests in St. Mary’s (or anywhere else).

The SSPX in late 2019 is 99.5% purified of “dissidents,” and the plan to proceed by stages (today, nearly completed) is now on cruise control.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Texana on September 09, 2019, 10:17:46 AM
Thank you--it seems Renaissance nudity of Our Lord is just perfect for a conference on Catholic families.  No problem.  
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Texana on September 09, 2019, 10:25:02 AM
Thank you for your information--my reply is misplaced.  I remarked to a priest that it couldn't be the foot of Our Lord because it is not perfect and beautiful.  
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Meg on September 09, 2019, 02:09:54 PM
The SSPX is not deceived about Fr. Kilcawley:

If it wants in with the conciliar church, it must not only demonstrate to Rome that it can play nice in the sandbox with its former enemies, but even more importantly, “that there no longer be rejection in their hearts.”

So, while +Huonder celebrates Mass for the SSPX faithful in Switzerland, Fr. Kilcawley makes a maiden voyage to introduce (however restrained) a conciliar approach regarding a real modern problem, to SSPXers.

Relentlessly, but ever so subtly, these little conciliar advances turn up the temperature on the boiled frogs (who show every sign of enjoying the hot tub).

Hat-tip to Bishop Fellay (and Fr. Pagliarani), who, learning from Cranmer and Celier, knew just how to orchestrate -patiently, patiently- the reorientation of practically the entire SSPX and its base of faithful.

There are no protests in St. Mary’s (or anywhere else).

The SSPX in late 2019 is 99.5% purified of “dissidents,” and the plan to proceed by stages (today, nearly completed) is now on cruise control.

Yes, exactly.

As you say, the conciliar advances of the SSPX turn up the temperature on the boiled frogs. The laity and clergy aren't really even aware of what is going on.

The SSPX makes sure to criticize a few things such as the New Mass on DICI, so they seem like they are doing what +ABL did, but in reality, they are moving "by littles" toward being part of the conciliar church. I agree with you that Bp. Fellay and Fr. Pagliarani know just how to orchestrate the reorientation of practically the entire SSPX and its base faithful.

I did a google search yesterday for the old Angelqueen forum. It appears that Angelqueen is now on a facebook format. One of the rules of the Angelqueen facebook site is that no one is allowed to mention or discuss the possible reconciliation of the SSPX towards Rome. I'm not on facebook, so I can't access much on that site. It's unfortunate that John Grasmeier has bought into the SSPX party line.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: claudel on September 09, 2019, 04:12:36 PM

I remarked to a priest that it couldn't be the foot of Our Lord because it is not perfect and beautiful.  

I would suggest that piety is somewhat misdirected if it asserts that Our Lord's foot was necessarily "perfect and beautiful," presumably with respect to how those terms are regularly used in a normal human context. A beautiful foot is almost invariably a pampered, cosseted foot, and Our Lord used his feet to the limits of His human strength during the years of His public ministry and probably in the preceding years, too. Indeed, it is hard to conceive of them as appearing anything other than bruised and calloused.

The abuse visited upon Our Lord's body by His tormentors during His Passion might in a sense be seen as merely an extreme instance of the travails He had willingly endured beforehand, all for the sake of our redemption.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Nadir on September 09, 2019, 08:16:07 PM
I would suggest that piety is somewhat misdirected if it asserts that Our Lord's foot was necessarily "perfect and beautiful," presumably with respect to how those terms are regularly used in a normal human context. A beautiful foot is almost invariably a pampered, cosseted foot, and Our Lord used his feet to the limits of His human strength during the years of His public ministry and probably in the preceding years, too. Indeed, it is hard to conceive of them as appearing anything other than bruised and calloused.

The abuse visited upon Our Lord's body by His tormentors during His Passion might in a sense be seen as merely an extreme instance of the travails He had willingly endured beforehand, all for the sake of our redemption.
These were precisely my thoughts, Claudel.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: LaudaSion on September 10, 2019, 10:15:03 PM
I am shocked and saddened that Angelus Press has to resort to sensationalism of this type.  Are there no priests within the sspx to 'recruit'?  Why get an 'expert' in the Theology of the Body, when the Angelus Press has condemned the subject in its own articles?  

A few quick views of the readily available videos from this speaker, highlights the following.  I make these comments because the videos are available to a global, public audience.  In the old days, the announcement would have been in a printed version, and people would have immediately written letters to the editor, some of which would have been printed:

Firstly, this poor novus ordo priest repeatedly denigrates the Rosary, Holy Hour and even the DIVINE OFFICE.   He says that those have NO JOY who pray the Rosary, pray Holy Hours and pray the Divine Office.  How would he know?  Rash judgement is a curse.  Unless one has gone around the globe like Santa, and personally interviewed every religious, priest and member of the Faithful - how would you know who has joy or not?  But joy, it seems, comes from discussing sɛҳuąƖ perversion.  

Secondly, he has a conviction that God the Son does not 'give' anything to His Father?  I'm no theologian, but this sounds not right to me.

Thirdly, he repeatedly implies that the Holy Family comes from a sinful family line.  This is crazy.  The Blessed Virgin Mary was IMMACULATE, and St. Joseph, whose genealogy is given in Holy Scripture, was Our Lord's foster father.

What Traditional Catholics need is some fire and brimstone from the pulpits and the enforcing of the dress code everywhere.   Mothers who refuse to give up their vane ways, should not be surprised if their sons fall into immorality.  Scandalous bad example from a parent will result in the children developing addictions and vices that seem totally unrelated to the bad example.  

Will the audience at the Angelus Press Conference be treated to this series of slides?  (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByuaoCMfzVqrZ2M4NXlFSmc4aHM/view)

This priest speaks gibberish at best, and needs our prayers, fasting and penance.  






Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 11, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
Bizarre and perverted ... not unlike Christopher West.  He claims that all the people who were about to stone the "woman caught in adultery" (Mary Magdalene) were looking at her with lust.  His take, evidently, is that she was dragged out into the street naked and those picking up stones lusted after her.  Typical Christopher West-like perversion.  He has no business addressing Catholic youth.
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Not Mary Magdalene !!!
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Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 11, 2019, 11:03:29 AM
This is just part of the process to get SSPXers used to Novus Ordo thinking.
Because most of us know what Fellay is doing, and he never gives up.
The water is approaching boiling temperture.  Jump now to save your soul.
The "agreement" may never be signed, because it does not have to be as the
SSPX is doing what Rome wants anyway.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 11, 2019, 11:14:08 AM
Here is a sample of Kilcawley.  Is this Catholic or Protestant?  I can't tell which.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7OUm8zc-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7OUm8zc-A)
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
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Not Mary Magdalene !!!
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That's the Modernist position.  Even Kilcawley thinks it's probably St. Mary Magdalene.  Church Fathers traditionally held this woman to have been Mary Magdalene.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Stubborn on September 11, 2019, 11:22:58 AM
Here is a sample of Kilcawley.  Is this Catholic or Protestant?  I can't tell which.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7OUm8zc-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7OUm8zc-A)
Made it to 16 seconds - definitely protestant.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 11, 2019, 11:42:52 AM
Instead of co-Ed immodest Theology of body sex education maybe they should teach basic catechism.   It seems many young people don’t know the faith and if they do they don’t live it.  

First of all, Catholics don’t have sex.  They make love. 
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
Here is a sample of Kilcawley.  Is this Catholic or Protestant?  I can't tell which.
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Well, he quotes Francis and John Paul II a lot ... so, Protestant.   :laugh1:

Actually, there's a lot of decent content there mixed in with the bad.  Why can't a Traditional priest distill this and re-present it through a Traditional Catholic lense?
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 11, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
That's the Modernist position.  Even Kilcawley thinks it's probably St. Mary Magdalene.  Church Fathers traditionally held this woman to have been Mary Magdalene.
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It's NOT Mary Magdalene.  Private revelation says it's NOT.
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The Bible does not say who it is.  What's modernist about
having it be another woman ?
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Why does every adulterous woman in the Bible have to be
Mary Magdalene ? 
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Church fathers can be wrong on matters not pertaining to the Faith.
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Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: homeschoolmom on September 11, 2019, 12:34:55 PM
Actually, there's a lot of decent content there mixed in with the bad.  Why can't a Traditional priest distill this and re-present it through a Traditional Catholic lense?

Because that would show "rejection in their hearts".
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 02:03:45 PM

It's NOT Mary Magdalene.  Private revelation says it's NOT.
...
Church fathers can be wrong on matters not pertaining to the Faith.


Private revelation means nothing.  And the Catholic principle is that in matters of interpreting Scripture the Church Fathers are the standard unless proven otherwise.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 03:07:43 PM
Pope St. Gregory the Great:
Quote
“She whom Luke calls the sinful woman, whom John calls Mary, we believe to be the Mary from whom seven devils were ejected according to Mark,”
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 11, 2019, 03:37:44 PM
In regards to other talks why bring up Protestantism or Rousseau education.   If you bring it up people will look into it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau)  
( I have never heard of him. ).  

Who cares about Rousseau, Protestants or theology of the body?   Bring up how Catholics should raise children. Supply people with traditional Catholic resources.  

I think most traditional Catholic parents are intelligent enough to talk to their children about God and marriage.  Many things should be private and not public.  

The main thing is to keep children, teens off all social media period.  If they need one then get one without text and internet.  They are bombarding everyone with shady evil info and advertisements.  
Temptation.  It is getting worse. 
 


Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 11, 2019, 03:49:04 PM
Private revelation means nothing.  And the Catholic principle is that in matters of interpreting Scripture the Church Fathers are the standard unless proven otherwise.
Anne Catherine Emmerick means nothing?
Mary of Agreda means nothing?
Nothing??
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Then what do you mean? 
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Less than nothing.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 11, 2019, 03:53:57 PM
Private revelation means nothing.  And the Catholic principle is that in matters of interpreting Scripture the Church Fathers are the standard unless proven otherwise.
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Interpreting the Scriptures means speculating about who the unknown woman is ?
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I don't think so.
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And before you say it so me (as usual), I say it to you:
You are an imbecile.
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And if you are Matthew's friend, Matthew is an imbecile also.
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The Church fathers were wrong about Geocentrism, so they should
stay out of the business of speculation and other matters that don't
pertain to the Faith. 
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Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 04:56:34 PM
And before you say it so me (as usual), I say it to you:
You are an imbecile.
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And if you are Matthew's friend, Matthew is an imbecile also. 

I'd rather be an imbecile than an arrogant Modernist like yourself.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 04:59:38 PM
Anne Catherine Emmerick means nothing?
Mary of Agreda means nothing?

Correct.  They mean nothing from the standpoint of deriving theological conclusions from them.

1) Nobody knows for sure if they wrote everything in the works attributed to them.

2) Even if the visions are genuine, it's difficult to separate actual private revelation from interjections from their own minds.

There's a reason the Church fell short of canonizing them.  It's because the Church did not wish to implicitly endorse everything in these works.

I'll go with the consensus of the Church Fathers, and Pope St. Gregory the Great, first.  Even many otherwise-Modernist sources have come to the conclusion that the woman is most likely St. Mary Magdalene.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 11, 2019, 05:05:56 PM
The Church fathers were wrong about Geocentrism, so they should
stay out of the business of speculation and other matters that don't
pertain to the Faith.  
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Well, pagan sun god,

#1) they were not wrong about Geocentrism.  Your self-proclaimed "slam-dunk" arguments against Geocentrism were easily debunked, and you merely demonstrated your bad will and your ignorance.  One argument got debunked, so you pulled out another one ... a pattern that exposes bad will.

#2) this insulting disrespectful language used toward the Church Fathers exposes you as the impious scoundrel that you are ... "they should stay out of the business of".  Who do you think you are?  You're the one who needs to stay out of that business.  Actual Catholics revere and respect their teachings and even their speculations.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on September 11, 2019, 09:08:21 PM
Anne Catherine Emmerick means nothing?
Mary of Agreda means nothing?
Nothing??
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Then what do you mean?  
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Less than nothing.
You obviously have no clue about Church teaching nor the teaching Church. In the scope of things, both of these lady’s have no standing when it comes to authoritative writing.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 12, 2019, 09:14:32 AM
You obviously have no clue about Church teaching nor the teaching Church. In the scope of things, both of these lady’s have no standing when it comes to authoritative writing.

Nor do we even know

1) how much of the writing attributed to them was actually their work or words  (for all we know, 95% of Emmerich's work was concocted by Brentano)

2) how much if it was actual "revelation" vs. their own editorializing.  They describe things that they see/hear or think they see/hear, and their descriptions necessarily entail a certain amount of interpretation

It's chiefly why the Church did not canonize them ... because it might have meant a tacit endorsement of everything in those works.  It's well known that on a fair number of details the various recipients of the revelations have contradicted one another.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 12, 2019, 09:19:24 AM
I'll take Pope Gregory the Great and the Church Fathers over this private revelation.

With that said, there's no definitive explicit Church teaching on the matter, and you're entitled to an opinion.  What I objected to as Modernist was the derogatory comments about the Church Fathers being wrong and needing to "stay out of" speculation (whereas it's OK for you).  Modernists always have this hubris about how the ancients had it wrong and we moderns know better.  You're just dripping with that mentality.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on September 12, 2019, 09:44:27 AM
I was viewing one of the youtube videos made by the priest and it mentions the name of porn publication.  Not good at all. Someone is going to watch that video and look up name of porn mag and might get hooked.   It is almost like the school drug programs which ended up with more young people doing drugs. Communist brainwashing.  Same with these programs like Courage it just provides more opportunities for temptation and meet ups.  It justifies the sin and now the number of mortal sin based parishes are growing. 

 It is Catholics including clergy who have enabled and promoted communism.  Also, I think it is odd that the SSPX discussions did not address the sex abuse scandals.  I feel before anyone addresses the problems with Catholic laity , they ought to clean their own house out and be fit to be examples to the laity.  

I went to a conference with a Fatima organization.  I thought it was a waste of time and money even though I enjoyed meeting up with other Catholics. Plus wear and tear on my car.   These conferences should be done at our Churches so everyone can benefit.  









Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Texana on September 12, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
Dear viva Cristo Rey:  In an interview (on YouTube-The Regular Catholic Guy) novus ordo priest Kilcawley admits being addicted to pornography and sex since age 14 through 2009-2013 when he was in graduate school at JPII Institute in Rome--after being ordained to the novus ordo rite in 2005.  Because of some "good therapists" he is now "cured" and he talks about pornography and sex with people all day, every day and gets paid to do it!
     Who in the SSPX or in the Angelus Press office thought it was a good idea to "recruit" him to speak at an SSPX conference??
Will any parent, any priest, anybody say a peep before or at the conference?  
     Please tell me we are just in another episode of Twilight Zone, so--no worries.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 12, 2019, 03:53:20 PM
I'll go with the consensus of the Church Fathers, and Pope St. Gregory the Great, first.  Even many otherwise-Modernist sources have come to the conclusion that the woman is most likely St. Mary Magdalene.
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Is there any mention of "Mary Magdalene" in the story about
the adulterous woman in the Bible ?
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No.
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Therefore ... it's speculation.
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Were there other women likely to be adulterous?
Very likely.
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Therefore to single out Mary Magdalene is narrow-minded and
SPECULATION. 
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End of argument.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: apollo on September 12, 2019, 04:05:03 PM
With that said, there's no definitive explicit Church teaching on the matter, and you're entitled to an opinion.  What I objected to as Modernist was the derogatory comments about the Church Fathers being wrong and needing to "stay out of" speculation (whereas it's OK for you).  Modernists always have this hubris about how the ancients had it wrong and we moderns know better.  You're just dripping with that mentality.
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No Church teaching?  Thank you. 
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I am not speculating.  I am going with private revelation.
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Yeah, I am a Modernist because I disagree with you.  
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You are a fundamentalist, who thinks Pope Pius VII is in error
and all the recent Church rulings about Heliocentrism are wrong.

So you are a Sevevacantist more than I am a Modernist (which
I'm not). 
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Modernist is one of the derogatory terms you use when you are
losing the argument or cannot understand the argument.
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The Church fathers were WRONG on Geocentrism, sorry.
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The latest Church ruling says effectively that they were WRONG.
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I know don't tell me ... everything after 1633 is modernism.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Matto on September 12, 2019, 04:22:56 PM
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

The sound of your laugh is not pleasing to my ears.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 12, 2019, 05:35:19 PM
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Is there any mention of "Mary Magdalene" in the story about
the adulterous woman in the Bible ?
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No.
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Therefore ... it's speculation.
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You have just articulated a Protestantized Modernism in a nutshell.

Just because there's no explicit mention in the Scriptures regarding who this is, there's such a thing as an oral tradition.  That is why the Church has always upheld the authority of the Church Fathers.  Your claim that if something is not in Scripture, then it must be speculation is Protestant garbage.  That's the same thinking that ultimately leads to rejecting Tradition as a source of Revelation.  Because of their proximity in time to Our Lord, having been disciples of Apostles or disciples of disciples of Apostles/Evangelists, there's a very high probability that it was well known through an oral tradition that this woman was indeed Mary Magdalene.

So the Church has always upheld that a virtually universal Patristic understanding/interpretation of Scripture is authoritative and normative, to be accepted by Catholics unless definitely proven otherwise.  Take your sola scriptura elsewhere, and stop pushing it on a Catholic forum.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 12, 2019, 05:37:45 PM
The sound of your laugh is not pleasing to my ears.

And the sound of his Modernism is not pleasing to my mind or my soul.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 12, 2019, 05:40:10 PM
The Church fathers were WRONG on Geocentrism, sorry.


No they weren't.  Quod gratis affirmatur, gratis et negatur.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: MadonnaDolorosa on September 12, 2019, 08:27:22 PM
You have just articulated a Protestantized Modernism in a nutshell.

Just because there's no explicit mention in the Scriptures regarding who this is, there's such a thing as an oral tradition.  That is why the Church has always upheld the authority of the Church Fathers.  Your claim that if something is not in Scripture, then it must be speculation is Protestant garbage.  That's the same thinking that ultimately leads to rejecting Tradition as a source of Revelation.  Because of their proximity in time to Our Lord, having been disciples of Apostles or disciples of disciples of Apostles/Evangelists, there's a very high probability that it was well known through an oral tradition that this woman was indeed Mary Magdalene.

So the Church has always upheld that a virtually universal Patristic understanding/interpretation of Scripture is authoritative and normative, to be accepted by Catholics unless definitely proven otherwise.  Take your sola scriptura elsewhere, and stop pushing it on a Catholic forum.
To be fair, you're referring to the teaching of the Western Fathers. The Eastern Fathers do not hold her to be the the woman in Luke 7, or John 8. This is a schismatic source, but it expounds on the subject:
https://orthochristian.com/63238.html
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Pax Vobis on September 12, 2019, 11:08:34 PM
The article says the Orthodox are unsure if St Mary was 1) the woman almost stoned to death, or 2) the woman who anointed Our Lord’s feet with her tears and perfume.  ...But they do, apparently, agree that Our Lord freed her from 7 devils AND that her home town, Magdala, was totally immoral.  So this leaves us with the same conclusion...St Mary was a converted prostitute, who became a great saint.  Whether or not she was almost stoned or if she washed Our Lord’s feet is not important.  It doesn’t change her horrible past, nor diminish her rise to sanctity.  
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However, if I had to bet, I’d agree with Pope St Gregory and the Church Fathers.  They would have learned directly from the Apostles and been able to ask questions about Scripture that we can only wish were possible.  They had the opportunity to hear it directly from the source.  
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Motorede on September 13, 2019, 08:10:26 AM
The article says the Orthodox are unsure if St Mary was 1) the woman almost stoned to death, or 2) the woman who anointed Our Lord’s feet with her tears and perfume.  ...But they do, apparently, agree that Our Lord freed her from 7 devils AND that her home town, Magdala, was totally immoral.  So this leaves us with the same conclusion...St Mary was a converted prostitute, who became a great saint.  Whether or not she was almost stoned or if she washed Our Lord’s feet is not important.  It doesn’t change her horrible past, nor diminish her rise to sanctity.  
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However, if I had to bet, I’d agree with Pope St Gregory and the Church Fathers.  They would have learned directly from the Apostles and been able to ask questions about Scripture that we can only wish were possible.  They had the opportunity to hear it directly from the source.  
Pope Saint Gregory died in 604 A.D.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Pax Vobis on September 13, 2019, 08:35:39 AM
I'm not saying that Pope St Gregory was a Church Father; not even close.  But if you look at what his papacy did, and what he concentrated on - Gregorian chant, codifying the canon of the mass, and the Gregorian calendar - you can see that his focus was in unifying Catholicism and in researching the past...something that the Church didn't have time to do in the first 300 centuries during the persecutions and also during all the heresies which came the centuries after that.  So, his opinion on Scripture carries some weight, because it was one of the first times that the Church had time to "relax" and study and ask questions about the Latin Vulgate of St Jerome, which had only been completed less than 200 years earlier. 
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Ladislaus on September 13, 2019, 08:39:32 AM
I'm not saying that Pope St Gregory was a Church Father; not even close.  But if you look at what his papacy did, and what he concentrated on - Gregorian chant, codifying the canon of the mass, and the Gregorian calendar - you can see that his focus was in unifying Catholicism and in researching the past...something that the Church didn't have time to do in the first 300 centuries during the persecutions and also during all the heresies which came the centuries after that.  So, his opinion on Scripture carries some weight, because it was one of the first times that the Church had time to "relax" and study the Latin Vulgate of St Jerome, which had only been completed less than 200 years earlier.

This is my point ... the opinions of the Popes and Church Fathers always carry significant weight for Catholics.  They are not to be dismissed lightly, much less derisively ... in the manner that apollo did.  Even if we are forced to disagree, we humbly disagree with all due respect.

Plus I objected to apollo's principle that if the Church Fathers speak about something that isn't explicitly in Scripture, then it's nothing more than speculation.  That is NOT a Catholic perspective on the Fathers and on Tradition.

For me, the precise identity of the woman taken in adultery is of secondary importance vs. the above principles.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Pax Vobis on September 13, 2019, 09:47:19 AM
Totally agree.  The Church Fathers wrote VOLUMES on Scripture.  They learned about Christ and Scripture from the EYE WITNESS accounts of the Apostles themselves.  Their ideas have so much more weight than any of ours; it's not even close.
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If you had a question about Microsoft Windows original design in 1995, who are you going to trust more - the founder of Microsoft, Bill Gates' right-hand man in 1995 or some kid who was born in 1995 and thinks he's an computer expert?  You always trust the source, or as close as you can get to it. 
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on September 13, 2019, 11:11:38 AM
Nor do we even know

1) how much of the writing attributed to them was actually their work or words  (for all we know, 95% of Emmerich's work was concocted by Brentano)

2) how much if it was actual "revelation" vs. their own editorializing.  They describe things that they see/hear or think they see/hear, and their descriptions necessarily entail a certain amount of interpretation

It's chiefly why the Church did not canonize them ... because it might have meant a tacit endorsement of everything in those works.  It's well known that on a fair number of details the various recipients of the revelations have contradicted one another.
Exactly!
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: MadonnaDolorosa on September 13, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
You guys have missed the point... you're referring to the Western position as if it's the Church's only position. The East considers the women found in Luke 7, John 8, and Mary Magdalene to be three different people. That has always been the Tradition of the Eastern Fathers. It's a perfectly Catholic position, unless you believe the Eastern Catholic Tradition to be subordinate to the Western Tradition... in fact, I'd say the Eastern Fathers (as a whole) far exceed the Western Fathers; save for the brilliance of a handful of Saints like Ambrose/Augustine.
Title: Re: SSPX invites Fr. Kilcawley Expert on Theology of The Body, from Lincoln, Diocese
Post by: claudel on September 17, 2019, 03:17:00 PM

You guys have missed the point... you're referring to the Western position as if it's the Church's only position. The East considers the women found in Luke 7, John 8, and Mary Magdalene to be three different people. That has always been the Tradition of the Eastern Fathers. It's a perfectly Catholic position, unless you believe the Eastern Catholic Tradition to be subordinate to the Western Tradition... in fact, I'd say the Eastern Fathers (as a whole) far exceed the Western Fathers; save for the brilliance of a handful of Saints like Ambrose/Augustine. [emphasis added]

This sort of misguided enthusiasm—misguided in that it warps a legitimate interest in the differing positions of the eight Fathers of the Church on nondogmatic matters into a sectional contest where one side must be declared the victor—is injurious to the study of the Faith and indeed to a proper understanding of orthodoxy.

Two elements of Catholic orthodoxy that the quoted commenter seems unaware of are that it has been well established in authoritative papal teaching for at least 1,000 years (1) that the Latin Rite holds primacy as the normative rite in Christianity and (2) that even in matters legitimately disputed by Eastern and Western sources, Western Catholics are bound to give at least religious deference to Western authorities. The Latin primacy is underscored by the fact that before the Council, an Eastern Catholic could formally become a Western Catholic simply by declaring his wish to do so, whereas a move in the opposite direction required formal permission from either a Roman dicastery or one's local bishop—the alternative depending upon when the requester was alive.

So in a certain sense, like it or not, the Eastern Tradition is subordinate to the Western in that it is fundamentally exceptional rather than normative.
Title: quote from his video lecture
Post by: Geremia on September 25, 2019, 06:39:04 PM
@39:20 (https://youtu.be/JpW6YikGoMU?t=2360)ff.
Quote from: Fr.? Kilcawley
Without first proclaiming God's love, like what's my motivation to change my life? Because then the gospel easily becomes converted into this sort of set of standards that I have to achieve, and if I achieve those standards then God will reward me at the end of my life. I call it the "Gospel of the Suck." […] God created me to suffer? That's not what John Paul II is talking about. He said God created you good
He's an enemy of the Holy Cross.

Isn't promoting the Holy Rosary much easier and more effective than promoting some newfangled "theology of the body"?
Title: Theology of the Body expert's SSPX talk
Post by: Geremia on October 12, 2019, 09:21:00 PM
full talk: http://sspxpodcast.com/2019/10/danger-online-fr-kilcawley/
MP3: http://media.blubrry.com/sspx/s/content.blubrry.com/sspx/2019-10-10_Kilcawley_mixdown.mp3 (~1h)