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Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2019, 11:09:37 PM »
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  • https://traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A844-Lef5.htm
    I read that and immediately cancelled my subscription.   They are way off base.


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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2019, 02:06:56 AM »
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  • Ditto.

    Here is prudishness arising out of the ignorance and arrogance of the writer.
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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2019, 03:51:30 AM »
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  • Ridiculous. 

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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2019, 05:26:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: TIA, edited by Átila Sinke Guimarães
    which would speak in favor of a norm for the women to unveil their breasts as they approached the Bishop


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    One cannot deny that Átila is sort of an expert on bizarre cults.

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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2019, 06:14:07 AM »
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  • TIF has very serious issues. After presenting testimony from Catholic authors, they prefer to embrace refuted claims by Protestant authors who impiously maintain that Venerable Pius IX was a Freemason.

    Now they produce an evil attack on Archbishop Lefebvre! In their jansenistic, puritanical world, they don’t see clothing that is actually there. I suggest that readers look at the pictures closely.
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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2019, 06:52:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: TIA, edited by Átila Sinke Guimarães
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    which would speak in favor of a norm for the women to unveil their breasts as they approached the Bishop

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    One cannot deny that Átila is sort of an expert on bizarre cults.



    SO the woman unbarred her breast as she approached the bishop. 

    How could a balanced person come to that conclusion. Does he not say they were there for the blessing of babies. That is wonderful, that their mothers should desire to have their babies blessed. 

    Breasts are for babies.

    This person has a sick mind, and a bad case of hatred for SSPX and their founder.



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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2019, 07:02:31 AM »
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  • This SSPX vs TIA ( and vice versa) thing has got out of control. 


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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #8 on: August 06, 2019, 07:29:09 AM »
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  • This person has a sick mind [...]

    Indeed. And he does his best to let everyone know.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #9 on: August 06, 2019, 08:59:27 AM »
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  • TIF has very serious issues. After presenting testimony from Catholic authors, they prefer to embrace refuted claims by Protestant authors who impiously maintain that Venerable Pius IX was a Freemason.

    Now they produce an evil attack on Archbishop Lefebvre! In their jansenistic, puritanical world, they don’t see clothing that is actually there. I suggest that readers look at the pictures closely.
    Sorry, I meant TIA.
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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #10 on: August 06, 2019, 09:04:51 AM »
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  • Aside from what everyone else already said, it's just manifestly and self-evidently false to say that the image in question involves toplessness.  It just doesn't.  Toplessness isn't a complicated or nuanced mode of dress.  It means what it sounds like it.  Not only is there no toplessness, but none of the women's breasts are even exposed.  There are clearly plunging necklines (or at least one instance of them), though these are not of the designed sort of plunging necklines (that one would see on an immodest dress purposefully designed to be immodest) but what seem more inadvertent plunging necklines likely commensurate with the fact that they are nursing mothers in an impoverished African village. 
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    The absolute most one could say is that Archbishop Lefebvre and his fellow missionaries should have brought them some modern maternity garb.  Which of course would be pedantic and trivial, not to mention scandal seeking.  But it'd at least be more tolerable than the article's self-evidently untrue description of the picture.  It takes a special type of confirmation bias to write nonsense like this. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #11 on: August 06, 2019, 10:34:26 AM »
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  • TIA’s attempt to draw an analogy between Archbishop Lefebvre’s ministry to the indigenous women of Gabon, and John Paul II’s decision to allow a topless savage to read the Gospel at Mass, is despicable.

    “Every analogy limps,” precisely because the circuмstances of two instances are never exactly identical, and it is the circuмstances which form one of the three determinants of the morality of human acts (alongside object and intention, which also differ in the case of Lefebvre).

    If the ministry to immodestly dressed (or even nude) savages is objectively sinful, or a per se occasion to sin, or scandalous, then the historical accounts (and ecclesiastical permission) of the African, North American, and South American savages becomes incomprehensible.

    See this book, in which the Jesuits ministered to completely nude savages:

    https://www.wyandotte-nation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/History-of-the-Catholic-Missions.pdf

    The scandal of the JPII incident is because the nudism was given a platform at Mass (problem 1), and was a gesture intended to promote ecuмenism (problem 2), whereas Lefebvre was ministering to the women.

    If one looks at the remarkable progress and effectiveness of Lefebvre’s apostolate in Gabon, it is abundantly clear that he was Catholicizing the savages, and was not content to leave them in their degenerate state (as JPII was).

    Lefebvre the missionary followed in the footsteps of his missionary predecessors, and the attempt to compare him to JPII (as though the only criterion to consider was that both were in the presence of savage nudism -if it was even that, per Mithrandylan’s comment above) reflects either a remarkable rashness and ignorance on the part of TIA (the the most charitable explanation), or a cheap shot at an enemy meant to score points.

    Either way, I see their credibility deteriorating at an alarming rate with these contrived attacks becoming more and more common, such that I am quickly losing interest in their editorials on pretty much any subject.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #12 on: August 06, 2019, 08:00:30 PM »
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  • This person has a sick mind, and a bad case of hatred for SSPX and their founder.

    Yes, the person in question, the head of TIA is Atila G. -- what a sick mind. Look at what he writes about the marital act, the way God chose to create families and to perpetuate the human race: He says:

    • In the human body the organs that are the most shameful are those that are used to discharge the filth produced by the body; they are the penis, the vagina and the anus. The last is more shameful than the first two because it discharges solid detritus, while the others discharge liquid detritus, but these organs also are disgusting and shameful. Now then, the male and female sɛҳuąƖ functions are put into practice by these shameful organs. Therefore, it is undeniable that they share something of the same disgusting character of their other function.
    • Even though the function of reproduction is much nobler than the function of eliminating the impurities of the body, there is a universally accepted association of those functions and, consequently, a natural psychological repulsion to view these organs.
    • The repugnance for the exposition of these organs – either when they are in action or not – is universal among civilized people. Even among primitive and pagan people these organs are normally covered by clothing. To reach the point of boldly exhibiting these organs in public, a person or a group needs to have reached a great degree of moral degradation by losing any reserve of pudor or shame.


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    Re: Taking a picture and running with the conclusion,Calumny anyone ?
    « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2019, 09:43:15 AM »
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  • TIA has now added the burning coals of false equivalence onto their heads. Atila really is his own worst enemy.




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