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SSPX hinting they will "Consecrate"
« on: January 12, 2026, 09:22:17 AM »

Yesterday, Sunday, Jan 11th. a distinguished SSPX priest from a Mission chapel pulpit in PA expressed doubt about Pope Bob cooperating with the Consecration of new SSPX Bishops.

And hinted the Society may have to self Consecrate.

Has anyone heard of the SSPX running afoul with Pope Bob?

Offline Twice dyed

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Re: SSPX hinting - Fr. Gleize early 2025
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2026, 10:40:57 AM »
I posted something last May, but here is an excerpt: AI Translate.
"...We deny this first premise in that it affirms that the conferred consecration even without jurisdiction constitutes an infringement of the divine right ....

– IV – The state of necessity.

If the consecration of a bishop without jurisdiction, carried out against the will of the Pope, usually represents an infringement of ecclesiastical law alone, it constitutes in the present case and as such no more and no less than an act of disobedience, that is to say a serious injustice, the injustice consisting here in not giving back to the authority what is due to it, because of the common good. Therefore, extraordinary circuмstances may call for such consecration, precisely for the purposes of justice, when the authority abuses its power and seriously endangers the common good, that is to say when there is what is referred to as a "state of necessity". Because of this state of necessity, there is no injustice and therefore no disobedience to consecrate bishops - without giving them jurisdiction - against the will of the Pope. Indeed, the state of necessity is one where it is the Pope himself who commits injustice, by denying members of the Church the opportunity to give themselves real good pastors. The seriousness of this injustice obliges any bishop in the Church to refuse the Pope what would be a false obedience (and in reality a true complicity in injustice) and thus authorizes him to give the members of the Church the true good shepherds they need, and to consecrate bishops for this, without giving them ordinary jurisdiction. The so-called substitution jurisdiction, if there is one, will only be the answer given by these bishops to the needs of the souls who come to ask them for the administration of true sacraments and the preaching of the doctrine of true faith.

Ultimately, everything rests on this state of necessity and on the right assessment of the present circuмstances.

- "Do you have an apostolic mandate? [Requests the ceremonial of the consecration of bishops, June 30, 1988.]

- "We got it! [Answers Bishop Lefebvre.]

- " Let's read it! ”

– “We have it from the Roman Church which, in its fidelity to the holy traditions received from the apostles, commands us to faithfully transmit these holy traditions – that is to say the deposit of faith – to all men, because of their duty to save their souls. Since the Second Vatican Council until today, the authorities of the Roman Church have been animated by a spirit of modernism, acting against the Holy Tradition, - "they no longer support sound doctrine, diverting the hearing from the truth, to turn to fables" as St. Paul said to Timothy in his second epistle (IV, 3-5) - we believe that all the penalties and censures carried by these authorities have no weight". [Mgr Lefebvre, Text of the mandate read on June 30, 1988" in Fideliter No. 65, September-October 1988), p. 11.]

Abbot Jean-Michel Gleize

Source: Rome Courier No. 687 of June 2025


Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: SSPX hinting they will "Consecrate"
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2026, 08:07:14 PM »
Yesterday, Sunday, Jan 11th. a distinguished SSPX priest from a Mission chapel pulpit in PA expressed doubt about Pope Bob cooperating with the Consecration of new SSPX Bishops.

And hinted the Society may have to self Consecrate.

Has anyone heard of the SSPX running afoul with Pope Bob?

I came across this article today:

https://infovaticana.com/en/2026/01/08/the-fsspx-does-not-rule-out-new-episcopal-consecrations-even-without-a-pontifical-mandate/

But when +Williamson consecrated +Faure, they said this:

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https://sspx.org/en/news/no-comparison-1988-faures-consecration-5676

The Society of St. Pius X denounces this episcopal consecration of Fr. Faure, which, despite the assertions of both clerics concerned, is not at all comparable to the consecrations of 1988. All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr. Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner."

Are the SSPX members putting pressure on the leadership? Or is the SSPX trying to put pressure on the Vatican? If they are serious about considering consecrating bishops without a pontifical mandate, they should apologize to the "resistance" and all the bishops consecrated by + Williamson. But they won't consecrate because they would loose all the conservatives they have gained from their compromise.

Re: SSPX hinting they will "Consecrate"
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2026, 09:30:42 PM »
My guess it that they say this and they say that. When they finally do something, with or without Bob's approval, people won't be surprised and they will lose fewer faithful. At this point they are all about manipulation and social engineering.

Re: SSPX hinting they will "Consecrate"
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2026, 10:53:11 AM »

I came across this article today:



Are the SSPX members putting pressure on the leadership? Or is the SSPX trying to put pressure on the Vatican? 
The article confirms it. Thanks!


The SSPX motivation :confused:

I doubt they trust Pope Bob and  need some leverage. 

If their two aging Bishops go down, they've been effectively decapitated as the largest TLM order or association.