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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2026, 08:09:46 PM »
Fr. Girouard (whom I have the greatest respect for) said that the SSPX has been excommunicated from the Conciliar Church, and NOT the Catholic Church. This distinction was not made in either the OP of this thread, or in the title, as it should have been. Why wasn't this distinction made?

Dear Meg, in response to your question: The amount of characters and spaces in the title window is quite limited. And I thought the little I wrote was enough to at least start the discussion. In my post itself, I do say it is valid per the Conciliar Church. In my subsequent posts, I took great pains to explain Fr. Girouard's position and mine.

Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2026, 08:38:10 PM »
Great...this is like news in "Real Time". You must have read Cardinal Koch German interview!?  He's is "reeling" about the Exco.  haha. Seriously though, you are probably correct, that the neoSSPX will still work for a "Deal".

Thanks for giving us the Cardinal Koch interview. I had not seen it when I wrote my post. What made me think of the Neo-SSPX being now under the Dicastery for Christian Unity, was an article and picture of Pope Leo meeting with a delegation of the Orthodox Patriarchate of Constantinople after the SSPX excommunication.

Since, on July 2nd, the Neo-SSPX has been expelled from the Conciliar Church, they are considered by it as a Christian Schismatic Church. And seeing the above mentioned Leo meeting, I just thought this would be the best way for Fr. Pagliarani and his cohorts to meet the Pope, since their main complaint was that the Pope refused to see them before the Consecrations. 

Unfortunately, the Neo-SSPX still thinks it is the Catholic Church they are dealing with, and they will do their best to get back in. We must pray they soon end their wishful thinking.


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Good thought...
ESR wanted to sell a 3 part series of all the Sermons and talks of + Lefebvre, in French of course.
They announced that these would be on sale:

Unofficial...plain fishy!
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-en-francais/valeurs-traditionnelles/msg1011709/#msg1011709
Excerpt:

2011 AD.              "...press release from EDITIONS SAINT-REMI

  On March 23 we announced the publication of the Sermons of Mgr Lefebvre from 1971 to 1991. On March 29 at 5:30 p.m., without any prior warning, we received a summary summons for March 31, before the Paris court by the association Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint-Pie-X, to try to prohibit us from publishing the said Sermons. We await the judgment's deliberation next Wednesday.

  We had the initiative to publish the 219 Sermons of Archbishop Lefebvre in their entirety on the occasion of March 25, 2011 for the 20th anniversary of his call to God, with the intention not only of honoring his memory, but also of delivering to the faithful, priests, younger generations, historians and researchers an objective docuмent, without cutting or censorship, which reveals the exact thoughts of the prelate, his evolution, his retractions and his claims over the past 20 years. We also wanted to propagate excellent sermons for the greater good of souls.

  Therefore we naturally turned to the brother and sister of Mgr Lefebvre to talk to them about this project and we immediately obtained their warm written approval. Never in 20 years has the SSPX taken the trouble to publicize these sermons. Also, taking into account the fact that the few that FSSPX has published so far were, for some of them, amputated embarrassing passages, not to mention those that she refused to disseminate because they expressed positions opposite to those defended today by the SSPX of Mgr Fellay, we did not have to discuss [...faire part...] this with those who, publicly, betray Mgr Lefebvre's fight on two points:

- The abandonment of the denunciation of the conciliar church as being “a Masonic lodge” (see Mgr Lefebvre).

- The abandonment of the doctrinal question relating to the theological impossibility of a heretic being legitimately the Pope. Listen to Mgr Lefebvre himself on these two points (in 1976) (hurry up before this extract is deleted by an action of the SSPX!) (Deleted)

  And in 1986 at the Easter sermon, to say: “What conclusion will we have to draw, perhaps in a few months, in the face of these repeated acts of communication to false cults? I don't know. I wonder. But it is possible that we are obliged to believe that this pope is not pope. Because it seems at first sight - I do not yet want to say it in a solemn and formal way - but it seems at first sight - that it is impossible for a pope to be a heretic publicly and formally. Our Lord promised him (Peter's successor) to be with him, to keep his faith, to keep him in the faith. How can the one to whom Our Lord promised to keep him in the faith definitively and without being able to wander in the faith, be at the same time publicly heretic and almost apostatized? This is a problem that concerns all of you, not just me. »

    The publication of Mgr Lefebvre's sermons earned us a vast movement of sympathy from many faithful, hence the rage of the SSPX, which hastened to put pressure on the brother and sister of Mgr Lefebvre..."
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SSPX also brought Fr P. Schoonbroot to court...he died in a car accident. R.I.P. + There are posts re. this on CI.

    Plus, the official seminarian>priest in charge of all recordings , wrote a certificate declaring that +L wanted the sermons, conferences etc to be made available for the faithful etc. I have a screen shot of that but I'm afraid of
I wish I could understand French. They say that the number of the Archbishop's writings transcribed into English are limited and much is lost in translation. Ive spoken to a couple people who are old time "Lefebvrists" who have studied his writings in dept and listened to many of his sermon recordings, etc. They tend to have a very sound grasp of the crisis in the church. It beats me how superiors in the society and priests who personally walked with the Archbishop could have strayed so far from his spirit.

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2026, 11:44:19 PM »
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-girouard's-sermon-revealing-fr-wegner's-branding-campaign/msg644678/#msg644678
 I think this is October 2012...?


Fr. Girouard:
...look everywhere, and you don't see any spirit of fight anymore against Vatican II and the New Mass! It seems to me that the Society has become a blunt sword in the hands of the Lord! There is no cutting edge anymore, it is useless!” ...


Excerpt of Fr.G on the phone with Fr Wegner.

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One Fr. X visited our large mission in Canada and explained that the SSPX in Germany saw a drop in the number of faithful... because

  2009?  CCCC #65:  [3) The communist journal, Der Spiegel, being favored with arranged interviews and stories to keep the “Williamson Affair” on-the-boil, thereby tending toward the “marginalization” of Williamson.]

   During that conference, Fr X said that in Germany,  some faithful were threatened at work or elsewhere if they were assisting SSPX chapels. Some lost their jobs, and was a type of persecution. Tensions in Germany. The SSPX contacted a Branding Firm to find a solution to fix the declining number$ and since then the Fraternity is no longer Firm in doctrine. 

It is not complicated -it is the iws. 
PS.  ERS regularly exposed the Tribe in their publications, and the women judge agreed that SSPX:  "seems the case is favoring this decision", to give the C0pyright to the SSPX for +L sermons etc.  It was an "ad hominem" attack tactic, and bad logic., and completely unfair. 
Red sea pedestrians at work.  

:incense:


Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2026, 04:18:26 AM »
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-girouard's-sermon-revealing-fr-wegner's-branding-campaign/msg644678/#msg644678
 I think this is October 2012...?

Fr. Girouard:
...look everywhere, and you don't see any spirit of fight anymore against Vatican II and the New Mass! It seems to me that the Society has become a blunt sword in the hands of the Lord! There is no cutting edge anymore, it is useless!” ...

Excerpt of Fr.G on the phone with Fr Wegner.

Some precisions, real quick:

1-This sermon by Fr. Girouard was on Sunday June 02, 2013, in Aldergrove British Columbia.This was actually the very first Mass of the foundation of his parish of the Resistance. He placed his parish under the Patronage of "St. Joseph Defender of the Church".

2-The revelation from Fr. Wegner about the re-branding of the Neo-SSPX was made to Fr. Girouard during a meeting they had in October 2012, at the SSPX Langley Priory, where Fr. Girouard was stationed. The meeting's purpose was to renew his July threats to Fr. Girouard, following his sermons of the summer against an agreement with Rome, which Father had posted on the Internet. The mention of the re-branding was an attempt by Fr. Wegner to make Fr. Girouard understand the necessity of this change and of a reconciliation with Rome. The revelation had an opposite effect on Fr. Girouard. However, because of the threats, Fr. Girouard had to keep from publicly criticizing the Superiors.

3-When I talk about the threats to Fr. Girouard, it was that of being transferred from Langley (BC) to the Montreal Headquarters (St. Césaire). In July 2012, Fr Wegner had bragged to Fr. Girouard about how severely he had mistreated Fr. Damian Fox, and how he even made him cry, because Fr. Fox had published a sermon and a conference in Toronto that June. (The title was "The Frog and the Scorpion"). He had moved Fr. Fox from the Toronto Priory to the Montreal headquarters, where he confiscated his phone and kept him basically isolated. (NB. In July 2013, after a year of this brow-beating, Fr. Fox was completely brainwashed, and was released from Montreal and sent back, now very docile, to his native Australia).

4-When the text of the AFD was leaked on March 09 2013, Fr. Girouard talked against it from the Langley pulpit the next day (Sunday). A parishioner denounced him to his Prior, who directly told Fr. Wegner, who, on March 13, phoned Fr. Girouard and told him he was to move to the District Headquarters in Montreal (Quebec). He also suspended Fr. Girouard from public Masses and preaching, and sent a priest from Post Falls to do the March 17th Sunday Mass. This day was, incidently, Fr. Girouard's birthday, and Fr. Wegner refused the faithful's request for a birthday and farewell party for Fr. Girouard! The faithful had to secure a room at a restaurant to honor Fr. Girouard. Half the parish came. Fr. Wegner also told Fr. Girouard that, once in Montreal, he would not be allowed to preach, and was forbidden to criticize his superiors, even in his private conversations, or else.

4-On the advice of +Williamson, Fr. Girouard decided not to go to Montreal. Providentially, Father was then able to take refuge at some faithful's house on an island in BC, so as to be able to organize, at a distance, a group of Langley parishioners he had been instructing about the shenanigans since June 2012. When that group understood all the doctrinal aspects and was ready to leave the Neo-SSPX, Father came back to the mainland, and after 3 weeks of looking for an apartment for Father and a hall for Mass, the group had their first Mass, on June 02, 2013, and that is when Father decided to start his first video sermon with a BANG. And I dare say, it was "a shot heard around the world".

The parish, albeit much smaller, is still going on.