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So if you think you're excommunicated, you are. And if you dont think you're excommunicated, you still are. :) ??? Nothing makes sense anymore. It's like the twilight zone.

Big big sigh...

You should learn how to read and think. Watch Father's video. Re-read the posts from Ladislaus and myself. I don't know what else to say to you.

I will try one last time:

You don't seem to understand the question of the Conciliar Church having hi-jacked the external structures of the Catholic Church, and pretending to be it.

The Neo-SSPX has been fooled by the subterfuge, and became member of the new organization. This new organization, like any other organization, has power to reward and to punish and to exclude members it doesn't like.

Hence the Conciliar Church has excommunicated validly the Neo-SSPX from its ranks.

But the Neo-SSPX thinks the Conciliar Church is the Catholic Church, and it cannot understand why it would exclude it, and therefore it claims the July 2nd Excommunications are null and void. 

That is the whole point: An organization can only validly expel people who are its members.

As Archbishop Lefebvre was not a member of the organization "Conciliar Church", he could not be expelled from it. Hence the Conciliar Church 1988 excommunications were invalid.

But the Neo-SSPX was, albeit not in "full" Communion, a member of the Conciliar Church. It has accepted all the privileges granted by that organization. It was actively working to obtain Full Communion and Membership. Hence that organization was able to validly excommunicate the Neo-SSPX from its ranks.

Now, the Neo-SSPX should be happy to have been freed from the Conciliar Church, and should focus only on their apostolate within and for the Catholic Church.

Unfortunately, since they refuse the reality of the existence of the Conciliar Church, it is to fear they will try their best to become members again. It is a form of spiritual schizophrenia.

Resistance Bishops and Priests have refused membership in the Conciliar Church and cannot be excommunicated validly by it, even if Bp Williamson consecrated six bishops without a Conciliar Papal Mandate. The Resistance clergy and faithful do not want membership in the Conciliar Chruch, and they follow the path of Archbishop Lefebvre. It is because of their resistance to the SSPX working to become part of the Conciliar Church, that the SSPX leadership expelled them.

The Neo-SSPX leadership is treating its "rebel" members the same way the Conciliar Church is treating the Neo-SSPX.

The whole point is to accept the sad fact that the enemies of the Catholic Church have seized its levers of command, and pretend to be Catholic and to embody her. But they are only impostors. If you understand that, everything becomes clear and logical.

The Conciliar Organization will accept anything that helps destroy the Catholic Church, and will reject everything that stands in its way. The ultimate goal is the creation of a One World "Religion" that will pave the way for the coming of the Anti-Christ.

We have to pray the events since February 2nd will help open the eyes of the Neo-SSPX leadership, and help them reject entirely the Conciliar Sect, and become the Old SSPX we loved.

Peace be to you my friend.

I just read this (from Sean Johnson's substack concerning Fr Girouad's resignation) as well as the SSPX Dici article in which they redefine "conciliar church" as just a movement or mindset.

"Recently, it was asked of us to accept the theory that the term “conciliar Church” does not mean a separate institution of the Catholic Church, but rather a “movement” within it (cf. Fr.Gleize in DICI: www.dici.org/en/docuмents/can-one-speak-of-the-conciliar-church/). The logical consequence of this theory would be that the traditionalist movement should return to the formal structure of the Church, to fight from within the conciliar “movement” and thus help Tradition triumph. It is why we often hear SSPX authorities say that the Society must “help the Catholic Church to reclaim her Tradition.” Now, on one hand, the Catholic Church, without her Tradition, could not exist, it would no longer be the Catholic Church. Furthermore, one can no longer speak of a mere “movement” when the liberal and Masonic ideas of Vatican II have been “institutionalized” by reforms covering all aspects of Church life: Liturgy, Catechism, Ritual, Bible, Ecclesiastical Tribunals, Higher Education, Magisterium and, above all, Canon Law. We are confronted with a structure, an institution which is different from the Catholic Church. If it weren’t the case, we would be members! But it is not us who have left the Catholic Church, they have, even if they managed to take control of the official structure. Concerning the role of the Pope in all this, it has to be admitted that therein lies a mystery, a mystery of iniquity. Nonetheless, it stands that we are in the presence of two separate institutions: The Catholic Church founded by Our Lord and the conciliar Church, instigated, let there be no doubt, by Lucifer." - Fr. Girouad

I'm also reading in "Spiritual Journey" by Archbishop Lefebvre (1991 printed copy to avoid the 'rewriting scheme' of the new rebranded angelus press). I attached a page. He does call them imposters in the preface. The Archbishop is very clear whereas the new line of thinking is very problematic.

Fr. Girouard (whom I have the greatest respect for) said that the SSPX has been excommunicated from the Conciliar Church, and NOT the Catholic Church. This distinction was not made in either the OP of this thread, or in the title, as it should have been. Why wasn't this distinction made?

It's okay. It was clear if one reads carefully. I think I fell prey to the "reading too fast, skimming on the internet". I prefer to read things on paper which is why I print a lot of articles if I think they are worth a read, and especially if they come from priests. If you go back and read older posts by "StonewallCatho" where he prints with permission writing of Fr. Girouad, everything makes a lot of sense. It's very eye opening, whereas a lot of other articles coming out these days serve to confuse the mind.