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Author Topic: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)  (Read 344 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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I believe this is wrong. You don't need legal loopholes to prove that the recent decree from Rome is invalid and unjust. ergo - no excommunication took place. Despite the SSPX trying to place themselves into the false conciliar church, they are not officially "in" ...

No :facepalm:.

Here's my response to the other individual who made a simliar statement.  And you actually raise the problem yourself, where they are not "in", and yet they are / are "trying to place themselves into the false Conciliar Church", where they refuse to publich +Lefebvre's stattement from 1988, etc.

THAT makes all the difference in the world, and this is where the formal / material distinction applies, where two othings can be materially the same, but formally difference, and it's actually the FORM that determines the essence of something.

There's nothing remotely similar about these two incidents.  Father Girouard hits the nail on the head, and actually echoes what I've been saying all along, namely, that the reliance upon legal loopoholes and technicalities vs. the attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre, SSPX have still not figured it out.

1988:  "Excommunicated from what?  Excommunicated by whom?"

2026:  "Not REALLY excommunicated from [the Catholic Church]."

If you can't figure this out, you're hopeless.

As Bishop Williamson always taught ... IDEAS MATTER.  Materially, the end result is the same, SSPX disobeyed / defied Conciliar Rome, but, formally, the attitude and the reasoning are completely different.

This addresses the nonsense from that other thread about ... Are the SSPX truly Resistance now?  Clearly, based on Father Pagliarani's letter, not even close.

But the hope is that, as time goes on, and they stop desperately TRYING to appease the Conciliars with the hope of being welcomed by the Modernist heretics with open arms ... perhaps their minds will clear, well, those minds that aren't actually deliberate controlled opposition.

Offline Ladislaus

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Thanks for posting that.

You do have your moments of sanity.

Well, despite your allegations that I'm dogmatic, I'm rather anti-sectarian, in the sense that I refuse group-think.  I have the greatest respect in the world for Bishop Williamson, and I spent hours trying to re-master some old recordings of his classes at seminary and posting them.  I consider myself to be an intellectual disciple of his.

Yet I will not agree with something just because he said it.  If I disagree, I disagree.  That group-think has caused much of the division among Traditional Catholics, where it reminds me of that passage from St. Paul, paraphrased here ...

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For while one saith, I indeed am of [Williamson]; and another, I am of [Fellay]; are you not men? What then is [Sanborn], and what is [Kelly]?

... or insert any other names of Trad leaders.

I find true some of Father Cekada's position, but find others false.  Same is true of every other group.  I don't know of a single Trad leader who holds every single opinion that I do, and the closest other individual is another person (who ironically lives close to me) and who also considers himself a "disciple of +Willamson", as it were.

I've been praised and attacked by every single group out there, where when they think I'm appoving of something their group holds, I'm praised, but then I don't agree with something, then I'm attacked.

That "group-think" harms the interests of truth.