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Author Topic: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)  (Read 26229 times)

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2026, 06:03:26 PM »
  By their fruits you will know them.  God has blessed the SSPX with new religious, churches, faithful for many years and it continues to thrive and grow. And we are not the "neo" SSPX. Respectfully, I disagree with Fr. Girouard.  To believe him is to say that all are priests are lying to us or are just plain stupid .  Neither are the case.
First of all, to give growth and numbers as proof of God's blessings to the SSPX is a very wrong argument. Wherever I drive, I find huge and modern and full Protestant churches. Are they being blessed by God? What about Islamism, which will soon outgrow Catholicism. Are they being blessed by God?

Secondly, Fr. Girouard always makes a distinction between the rank and file SSPX priests, and the Leadership in Menzingen and District Houses. The ordinary priests only want to do their ministry. They don't care, at least most of them, with the politics of their Superiors with Rome.

Thirdly, the SSPX management has so badly treated +Williamson and many priests in 2012-2013, because of their opposition to an agreement with Rome, that many SSPX priests fear punishment and expulsion. Where would they go? How could they survive, "out in the cold"?

Fourthly, we say Neo-SSPX to show the SSPX of today has turned its back to the instructions of Abp Lefebvre after the 1988 consecrations: NO MORE DEALINGS WITH ROME! WE WANT TO SAVE THE CHURCH, AND ROME WANTS TO DESTROY IT!

Obviously, you are new to this topic of the Resistance, and do not know what happened between 1997 and today. You should order and read Fr. Olivier Rioult's book" "The Impossible Reconciliation", and Sean Johnson's book: "As We Are? A list of 101 changes in the SSPX".

Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2026, 06:23:18 PM »
Yes, I still disagree. Time will tell . No point in arguing. You are set in your beliefs and I in mine. I am at peace with my decisions. God will let us know what is what.  Protestant numbers are declining along with NO numbers. Islam only grows because your killed otherwise, but even at that,  they leave and risk their lives. Yes, the devil has a very strong pull. The SSPX thrives despite bad publicity from the deep state and Rome. The more the Vatican Pushes to the left in everything,  the more the faithful flock to tradition. Tradition is indeed growing while the others not. 
 


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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2026, 05:36:08 AM »
Well, I meant the N.O. priests joining them, ...like,  how many in Poland?  20 or something as per +Z.

What else can we say? There was some investigation , before, if the circuмstances warranted a conditional ordination.  Exceptions here and there, and secret (unpublic) re-ordinations.
I understand and agree that they should definitely conditionally ordain every NO priest that joins them, but whereas we, the people in the pews presume doubtful validity at best, they still initially at least, presume validity.  

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2026, 09:37:51 AM »

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/fr-calderon's-2014-study-on-the-new-rite-of-episcopal-consecration-in-english/msg930376/#msg930376

"...As for the practical attitude to be taken with regard to the new Episcopal Consecrations, the one that the Society has maintained up to now seems to us to be justified:

1. The very probable validity of the rite seems to us to make it morally acceptable to occasionally assist at the Mass (traditional rite) celebrated by a priest or a bishop ordained or consecrated in the new rite, and even to receive Communion therein; it seems to us acceptable, in case of necessity, to receive absolution from them; to treat them as priests and bishops and not as laymen in costume; it seems to us acceptable to allow them to celebrate in our own houses. For the shadows that hover over the validity of their priesthood are but shadows and in all these activities our responsibility is not engaged concerning their exercise of the priesthood..."

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+Tomas Aquinas is simply saying the normal thought of  oldSSPX. The stumbling block is: Okay  - they might be validly ordained , consecrated, BUT, to join our community, we will conditionally ordain you. 

Calderon mentions : "...allow them to celebrate in our own houses..."; doesn't mean that they have joined ...just visitors, and hopefully he is talking about the Tridentine Mass..?

Neo=SSPX accept N.O. ordinations, to please Rome.

And didn't Archbishop Lefebvre once say that it was a sin to re-ordain a priest, unless there was doubt as to the validity of the ordination? I can't recall where I read this, but I'm sure he said something to that effect. 

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2026, 10:52:00 AM »
You do have your moments of sanity.

You should try it, at least every once in a while.  Please let us know if you are up for giving it an honest go.  We could share some pointers, offer encouragement, let you know if you are having any degree of success, etc.