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Author Topic: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)  (Read 26557 times)

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Offline Twice dyed

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2026, 02:24:42 PM »
If he does, he is an outlier.
But honestly, I think you should produce something to prove that.


https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/fr-calderon's-2014-study-on-the-new-rite-of-episcopal-consecration-in-english/msg930376/#msg930376

"...As for the practical attitude to be taken with regard to the new Episcopal Consecrations, the one that the Society has maintained up to now seems to us to be justified:

1. The very probable validity of the rite seems to us to make it morally acceptable to occasionally assist at the Mass (traditional rite) celebrated by a priest or a bishop ordained or consecrated in the new rite, and even to receive Communion therein; it seems to us acceptable, in case of necessity, to receive absolution from them; to treat them as priests and bishops and not as laymen in costume; it seems to us acceptable to allow them to celebrate in our own houses. For the shadows that hover over the validity of their priesthood are but shadows and in all these activities our responsibility is not engaged concerning their exercise of the priesthood..."

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+Tomas Aquinas is simply saying the normal thought of  oldSSPX. The stumbling block is: Okay  - they might be validly ordained , consecrated, BUT, to join our community, we will conditionally ordain you.  

Calderon mentions : "...allow them to celebrate in our own houses..."; doesn't mean that they have joined ...just visitors, and hopefully he is talking about the Tridentine Mass..?

Neo=SSPX accept N.O. ordinations, to please Rome.

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2026, 02:32:10 PM »
Neo=SSPX accept N.O. ordinations, to please Rome.
No, not to please Rome. The reason that they still presume validity is because they've always presumed validity, even from the very beginning of the SSPX. 


Offline Twice dyed

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Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2026, 02:47:49 PM »
No, not to please Rome. The reason that they still presume validity is because they've always presumed validity, even from the very beginning of the SSPX.
Well, I meant the N.O. priests joining them, ...like,  how many in Poland?  20 or something as per +Z.

What else can we say? There was some investigation , before, if the circuмstances warranted a conditional ordination.  Exceptions here and there, and secret (unpublic) re-ordinations. 

Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2026, 05:38:51 PM »
It's so easy these days to exchange e-mails or make videoconferences. Even their pictures together might be fake. The deal might be closed even if they never set foot in Rome. When dealing with liars, we are always suspicious.
Actually, I went to the SSPX website for the Italian District, and they have a chapel in Rome. I looked at their address and the map, and the chapel is only 2 miles from the Vatican. Easy to organize meetings there. Here are the info from the SSPX website: (Source: https://fsspx.it/it/roma-32796)
Cappella Santa Caterina da Siena
Domenica e festivi alle 9.00 e 11.00; ogni venerdì alle 18.30 (informarsi per i mesi estivi)
Via Urbana 85
00184 Roma (RM)
La cappella è gestita dal Priorato di Albano Laziale (RM)
Per informazioni: +39 06 930 68 16
E-mail: albano@fsspx.it



Re: SSPX has been truly and validly excommunicated (Fr. Girouard)
« Reply #59 on: July 15, 2026, 05:44:36 PM »
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.  It's not all a show.  Of course when somebody does something unjust to you that may cause others to perceive you in a way in which your not, such as being excommunicated, you stand up for yourself.  Of course the excommunication is invalid in every which way including Tuesday!!!  And some day we do hope that Rome comes back to the Catholic church because like it or not, that's where the head of the fake Catholic church is now, though they think otherwise.  And of course, the resistance needs to keep attacking the SSPX to continue to justify their reason for breaking away from them.  By their fruits you will know them.  God has blessed the SSPX with new religious, churches, faithful for many years and it continues to thrive and grow. And we are not the "neo" SSPX. Respectfully, I disagree with Fr. Girouard.  To believe him is to say that all are priests are lying to us or are just plain stupid .  Neither are the case.
I will pray you will come to understand the seriousness of the crisis and the latent major problems with the neosspx. Father Girouard is perfectly sound in his analysis. He knows far more than most of us and has proven to be so before. You are free to disagree but that does not mean you are correct. The Truth comes eventually to most if one is sincere in looking for it. :pray::pray::pray::pray::pray::pray: