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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Quo Vadis Petre on March 08, 2013, 06:03:45 PM
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Is this how the SSPX now recreates? Is it normal for the priests and other clerics to relax like this?!!
http://sspx.org/chapel_news/sanford_fl_3-8-2013/sanford_fl_3-8-2013.htm
Sanford priory and the importance of community life
SANFORD, FL
3-8-2013
We present here some pictures of a recent recreational outing taken at Sea World in Orlando, Florida by priests from St. Thomas More Priory in Sanford and some visiting clergy.
The event occurred on Monday, February with visiting priest, Fr. David Pagliarani, the seminary rector at La Reja, Argentina, and a visiting deacon, Rev. Baquerizo (attending the La Reja seminary) and seminarian, Mr. Joshua hαɾɾιson (from the Winona seminary). The day was not only spent viewing the aquatic wonders of God's creation, but also experiencing His natural law of gravity... via a roller coaster!
In conjunction with these images, we also offer a short piece on the importance of living in common for the priests of the Society of St. Pius X.
Text and photos courtesy of Fr. Leo Haynos.
(http://sspx.org/chapel_news/sanford_fl_3-8-2013/100_3164_small.JPG)
From left to right: seminarian, Mr. Joshua hαɾɾιson, Fr. Louis Alessio,
Fr. David Pagliarani, Fr. Marc Vernoy (the prior at Sanford),
Fr. Leo Haynos and deacon, Rev. Baquerizo
The importance of community life in the SSPX
We have to say it: the world and its continual temptations are lying in ambush for our priests. They are living in a dangerous, difficult environment… The solution is for priests to live in community in a priory.
It is useless having an apostolate if the interior life is gone… the life of community and the interior life take priority over the apostolate. It is obvious.
If our priories disappeared, there would be no more Society... The existence of our Society rests essentially on our priories, on that life in community; that life which is a little bit cloistered… protected from the world… the role of our priories is absolutely vital for our Society and they are the future of the Church, because of the life of prayer that reigns there.
When visitors, and especially priests, come to one of our houses, they have to sense an atmosphere of gaiety, of simplicity, of concord; of firm attachment to the truth, but also goodness, charity, indulgence, openness of heart toward those who come to visit, in order to bring them closer to our Lord. (Extracts from Priestly Holiness by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre)
"A joyful spirit attains to perfection more quickly than any other." St. Philip Neri
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As Archbishop Lefebvre very clearly states, the community life is of the utmost importance for the members of the Society of St. Pius X.
God made man social by nature, and the Archbishop shows a very good grasp of human nature in these passages quoted. As he points out, common prayer is by far the most important aspect of community life. It nourishes the priest’s interior life and is the powerhouse which gives fruit to his apostolate, but it is not only this which our Founder speaks of when he emphasizes the necessity of community life. Meals in common, speaking and recreating together are also of great importance.
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Community life provides a set structure for one’s life. The priests must do certain things at certain times, and the fact that everybody else is doing so helps them.
Being a man, a priest needs to take recreation occasionally, to renew and refresh his body and soul. If he is behind in his work he may want to put this off far longer than he should in order to catch up. Or he may feel lazy and want to take more recreation than necessary. If everybody recreates at a certain time, both of these dangers are lessened.
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A good community life is extraordinarily helpful to a priest to help him stay faithful. Constantly bombarded by the world he feels very much alone. Yet men are social, and he needs company he can enjoy; if he cannot find it with his fellow priests, he will look for it elsewhere.
The priory is a home for priests, and as such is much the same as the family home. Married women are often told: if you do not make your home such that your husband looks forward to returning to it, he may go looking elsewhere. Upon returning to the priory the priest must "sense an atmosphere of gaiety, of simplicity, of concord."
Priests have in them both Divine and human elements. The Divine element is helped in this by common prayer and the interior life. The human side is helped most especially by community recreations.
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I must say, I don't see the big deal.
If done at the behest of something more important or if funds were used that should have been directed towards something else, I can see arguments. Part of having a Catholic culture is having priest's in public. I don't know anything about sea world or anything but it doesn't seem like an objectionable place to visit. I am open to being convinced otherwise.
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I question whether it is befitting the dignity of a priest to ride roller coasters.
I enjoyed roller coasters as a young teenager. I haven't had the desire to ride them since.
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Well, I guess you may be right, Mit, but nonethless i feel uneasy about such things!
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an atmosphere of gaiety
Indeed.
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I wouldn't say it's wrong per se to go to an amusement park.
However, it does seem like they are trying to send a message here. I wonder whose idea it was to publicize this, and what is it that they want SSPX parishioners to take away from it?
It's a bit reminiscent of the Novus Ordo.
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I was recently reading my boys a book about St. John Bosco. A boy asked him what is it that we are allowed to do in this world. He replied "Anything but sin". I'm not so sure I see anything sinful here. Some could say that St. John Bosco was acting beyond the dignity of a priest by his circus acts and high wire performances.
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I thought when a man became a priest he gave up worldly pursuits...one doesn't need much more in the way of evidence that the sspx has changed its course.
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I thought when a man became a priest he gave up worldly pursuits...one doesn't need much more in the way of evidence that the sspx has changed its course.
It makes people think:
Priests are just like the rest of us, interested in banal entertainment.
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These were words of advice of Pope St. Pius X to Priests on the need for priestly dignity and propriety at the beginning of the last century:
“In order never to be guilty of any unedifying act, the priest must regulate his actions, his movements and his habits in harmony with the sublimity of his vocation. He who on the altar almost ceases to be mortal and takes on a divine form, remains always the same, even when he comes down from the holy hill and leaves the temple of the Lord. Wherever he is, wherever he goes, he never ceases to be a priest, and the serious reasons that compel him always to be grave and appropriate accompany him with his dignity everywhere.
“Hence he must have that gravity that will ensure that his words, his bearing, and his way of working arouse love, win authority and excite reverence. For, the very reasons that oblige him to be holy make it a duty for him to show it by his outward acts in order to edify all those with whom he is obliged to come into contact. A composed and dignified exterior is a powerful eloquence which wins souls in a much more efficacious manner than persuasive sermons. Nothing inspires greater confidence than an ecclesiastic who, never forgetting the dignity of his state, demonstrates in every situation that gravity which attracts and wins universal homage.
“If, on the contrary, he forgets the holiness of the sacred character which he bears indelibly impressed and engraved on his souls, and if he fails to show in his outward conduct a gravity superior to that of certain men of the world, then he causes his ministry and religion itself to be despised. For when gravity is wanting in its leaders, the people lose respect and veneration for them.” (1)
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In the article it says:
"Being a man, a priest needs to take recreation occasionally, to renew and refresh his body and soul."
I have to ask...is this the kind of recreation for a priest? How about golfing instead? And aren't theme park rides for people who like thrills? I guess that means priests like to get thrills...
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King Louis of France to an unknown prelate:
"Monsigneur, when I hear your sermons I am terrified. But when I see your way of life I am reassured."
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It cannot be denied that priests, like every other good Catholic, do need social time with one another. Amusement parks, however, are places where good Catholics must question whether they and their families will come under near occasions of sin due to the dress of women in attendance.
One need only take a stroll around such places of amusement such as this to see women in tank tops, shorts and other skin revealing clothing. It is surprising and sad for me to see SSPX priests seek out such places to amuse themselves. I am very disappointed. Even worse, the SSPX features the priests in this article in an attempt mainstream their bahavior.
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It cannot be denied that priests, like every other good Catholic, do need social time with one another. Amusement parks, however, are places where good Catholics must question whether they and their families will come under near occasions of sin due to the dress of women in attendance.
One need only take a stroll around such places of amusement such as this to see women in tank tops, shorts and other skin revealing clothing. It is surprising and sad for me to see SSPX priests seek out such places to amuse themselves. I am very disappointed. Even worse, the SSPX features the priests in this article in an attempt mainstream their bahavior.
In all honesty, you see the same thing at the grocery store...
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You have to go to the grocery store...you don't have to go to an amusement park...
unless you're seeking to be "like regular folks"
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Fair enough.
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At least they didn't go to the beach.
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St. Paul has an opinion regarding these priests ...
"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child." 1 Corinthians 13:11
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At least they didn't go to the beach.
That'll be next.
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Text and photos courtesy of Fr. Leo Haynos.
Being a man, a priest needs to take recreation occasionally, to renew and refresh his body and soul.
A good community life is extraordinarily helpful to a priest to help him stay faithful. Constantly bombarded by the world he feels very much alone. Yet men are social, and he needs company he can enjoy; if he cannot find it with his fellow priests, he will look for it elsewhere.
While it may be debatable if priests should be enjoying their recreational activities at a public place such as Seaworld, it certainly gives an extremely bad example to those whom are practicing abstinence, mortification, sacrifices, and penance during this holy season of lent.
During this past week of lent, our Lord was in the Garden of Gethesemany, taking upon Himself the sins of the world and be so crushed under their terrible weight that His precious blood flowed from every pore of His body.......while these neo-SSPX priests were having the time of their lives in enjoying the joyrides and fine foods at an amusement park.
:facepalm:
God have mercy on them.
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Text and photos courtesy of Fr. Leo Haynos.
Being a man, a priest needs to take recreation occasionally, to renew and refresh his body and soul.
A good community life is extraordinarily helpful to a priest to help him stay faithful. Constantly bombarded by the world he feels very much alone. Yet men are social, and he needs company he can enjoy; if he cannot find it with his fellow priests, he will look for it elsewhere.
While it may be debatable if priests should be enjoying their recreational activities at a public place such as Seaworld, it certainly gives an extremely bad example to those whom are practicing abstinence, mortification, sacrifices, and penance during this holy season of lent.
During this past week of lent, our Lord was in the Garden of Gethesemany, taking upon Himself the sins of the world and be so crushed under their terrible weight that His precious blood flowed from every pore of His body.......while these neo-SSPX priests were having the time of their lives in enjoying the joyrides and fine foods at an amusement park.
:facepalm:
God have mercy on them.
This is an excellent point, I hadn't thought of that. If nothing else, this shouldn't happen in Lent, period.
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Well, I wonder when it happened. The article said February, so it could have been in the Septuagesima season. Nonetheless, Jerome is right; we're still preparing, even if remotely, for Our Lord's Passion and Resurrection, at this point.
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The following surmise is not meant to make excuses or justify, just an observation.
We lived in this area for almost 15 years. Most who lives in Orlando know someone who works for one of the theme parks. Outside of a few professional industries, the majority workforce is supporting the gargantuan and low paying hospitality industry, often at one of the entertainment venues. The employees typically share their complimentary employee tickets/access with friends and relatives. My guess is that the fathers received their tickets as a gift from a parishioner.
For example, someone in our family worked part time at one of the Disney golf courses, so we gave our complimentary tickets to our trad priests for attendance at a Christmas musical performance. It's so commonly done in Orlando, but of course it's proper that a priest should select the entertainment with exceeding discrimination.
Despite the roller coasters (one of which travels through and provides a special view of one of the aquariums), SeaWorld offers a tremendous up close experience with Gods fascinating creations... if one can stay detached from the pagan dress and manners.
But, IMHO, SeaWorld is definitely head and shoulders above the Disney/Universal mindset.
I will leave the discussion of appropriateness to greater minds than mine.
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oh no... this happened during Septuagesima or Lent? :facepalm:
All bets are off.
Our dear priest won't even come to our home for a modest meal during this most sacred time of solemnity. All enjoyment must wait until Eastertide.
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All enjoyment must wait until Eastertide.
What can one do during Lent, then? No reading? No listening to music? Can one go fishing or relax on the weekend?
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You have to go to the grocery store...you don't have to go to an amusement park...
unless you're seeking to be "like regular folks"
You are making mountains of molehills. Theoretically, these priests don't need to go anywhere. They can have layfolk shop for them. Just keep em locked up in their rooms, blindfold them in cars to go to Mass centers, and it's all good, right?
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I think the attitude of some here are overly rigorous. No one has ever been required to give up all pleasure and recreation as penance.
Not even the most strict monasteries forced monks to only use freezing cold water, sleep on nails, eat stale bread and water, etc.
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The teaser at the top of this website says
A place for SSPX ...
I've never seen a website or forum display such contempt for the SSPX and their priests.
Perhaps Matthew could change the header.
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It's not the fact of the matter as such.
I mean, look, some of these men are still being formed. Could it possibly be justified to do this during Lent? Maybe, possibly probably, but why do it in the first place during Lent? Bad example for the priest that's being formed and the laity.
Unless maybe they did it on a first class feast, like St Joseph's feast day or something.
And then of course it sets a poor example for the laity too, for the same reason.
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My complaint doesn't arise from this one topic. It arises from the entire sentiment from his forum. It is very antisspx and it scrutinizes every action they make as somehow contrary to God and the Faith and ergo mortal sin and spitting in the eye of ABL. Every little thing they do isn't good enough for these holier than thou keyboard warriors who know far more than these priests.
Besides, did anyone read the article? There were some foreigners visiting? Maybe the SSPX priests wanted to show the visitors a fun time at a novel american theme park with big sea creatures and fun. Oh no. I forgot, we need to go around in sackcloth and tell our visitors that they need to do so as well and to not have any fun. Ever. Because fun is sinful.
People need to get over themselves.
:rolleyes:
This smiley doesnt express half of my sentiment.
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My complaint doesn't arise from this one topic. It arises from the entire sentiment from his forum. It is very antisspx and it scrutinizes every action they make as somehow contrary to God and the Faith and ergo mortal sin and spitting in the eye of ABL. Every little thing they do isn't good enough for these holier than thou keyboard warriors who know far more than these priests.
Besides, did anyone read the article? There were some foreigners visiting? Maybe the SSPX priests wanted to show the visitors a fun time at a novel american theme park with big sea creatures and fun. Oh no. I forgot, we need to go around in sackcloth and tell our visitors that they need to do so as well and to not have any fun. Ever. Because fun is sinful.
People need to get over themselves.
:rolleyes:
This smiley doesnt express half of my sentiment.
Kaesekopf (I just realized your name means 'cheese head' huh? lol Nice!)-
I would normally agree with you about the general Pharisaical attitude here (which really makes it hard for someone like to post here, since my temperament makes me prone to easy agitation and sometimes anger), but I do think its a bit overboard for priests to be doing this. I even had an SSPX priest give a sermon explaining why we shouldn't go to amusement parks. Would this be a deal breaker for me? Not in the least. And, now that I re-read your post, it seems like we're still on the same page (inserting foot in mouth again).
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Priests at the amusement park is a ridiculous article for sspx.org to post.
Particularly during Lent.
It shows an organization that no longer seems to be aware of its purpose.
"Priests are swell guys"
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At least they didn't go to the beach.
Been there, done that.
(http://www.sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2005/Jul-Dec/images/priests_retreat.jpg)
Priests' Retreat in Lobo, Batangas, Philippines.
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Apparently, priests are to choose between riding roller coasters and sleeping on nails.
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There's nothing wrong with going to see the ocean and the strand, in and of itself.
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Priests at the amusement park is a ridiculous article for sspx.org to post.
Particularly during Lent.
It shows an organization that no longer seems to be aware of its purpose.
"Priests are swell guys"
Absolutely!!
When I first viewed that SSPX link and saw those pictures, I immediately thought Novus Ordo. They all speak with forked tongues. Bunch of Hypocrites!!
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I guess these thrills at the sea are sinful too?
(http://www.sspxasia.com/Images/Newsletters/2002_Apr-Sep/priests-boat-ride-Philippines.jpg)
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Face it everyone: if you're against priests riding roller coasters at amusement parks, you must be against priests going canoeing, and in favour of blindfolding priests and making them sleep on nails.
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My complaint doesn't arise from this one topic. It arises from the entire sentiment from his forum. It is very antisspx and it scrutinizes every action they make as somehow contrary to God and the Faith and ergo mortal sin and spitting in the eye of ABL. Every little thing they do isn't good enough for these holier than thou keyboard warriors who know far more than these priests.
Besides, did anyone read the article? There were some foreigners visiting? Maybe the SSPX priests wanted to show the visitors a fun time at a novel american theme park with big sea creatures and fun. Oh no. I forgot, we need to go around in sackcloth and tell our visitors that they need to do so as well and to not have any fun. Ever. Because fun is sinful.
People need to get over themselves.
:rolleyes:
This smiley doesnt express half of my sentiment.
After looking at that SSPX.org website, I suppose I should be telling my children that all the sacrifices that they willingly gave up for lent is totally unnecessary as LOOK......the priests are going Weeeeeeeeeee on these roller coasters and let's all go out and some fun??? Has lenten season evolved into something fun now?
So Kaesekopf, these "foreigners" that are visiting these neo-SSPX priests certainly must be aware that it is a holy season of lent where sacrifices, mortification's, and penances are what's practiced by Catholics wanting to share a little of the Passion of our Lord?
When this neo-SSPX that has opened its heart to the liberal modernistic world and continues to do things that are contrary to tradition, YES!!! we are against this neo-SSPX that has betrayed all of us whom depended so much on them in holding fast to the one and only true Faith. YES!! there's going to be scrutinizing of every action that contradicts the practices of our Faith. Otherwise, we'll just be dumb sheep that's blindly following the herd.
They're deviously mixing our precious Faith with slow doses of modern liberalism that anesthetizes the brain and they're expecting everyone to happily adhere to this "mush". NO!! They need to get over themselves and return to sole reason why ABL formed the SSPX......not just pick & choose parts what ABL said to fit their agenda.
You're the one that needs to get with REALITY and not fall into this typical Novus Ordo behavior. :fryingpan:
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The article, unless I have missed something, says the trip occured on Monday in February. That means it could've been the 4th or 11th, which is outside of Lent.
I understand it was published during Lent, but perhaps someone should find the correct date before we all start assuming.
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All enjoyment must wait until Eastertide.
What can one do during Lent, then? No reading? No listening to music? Can one go fishing or relax on the weekend?
Good question, and worth a hearty debate of the comprehensive meaning of "fasting" and how it profits our soul.
In the younger and/or early years of Catholic formation, we would perhaps "give up" something for Lent, which was good practice to assist us as we advance in the love and knowledge of God. In maturity we come to the profound understanding of Lenten sacrifice, His and ours.
Uniting our own modest ones to His suffering is actually quite easy and brings great joy, don't you think?
To your point, reading is perhaps my favorite pastime. But during Lent I restrict it to materials that pertain to Him, esp His Passion. Ditto for music. I try to consider how much my small sacrifice of <fill in the blank activity> during Lent could demonstrate my love.
Love seems to turn suffering into joy. That still amazes me.
Is this rigorous? I don't know. Before modernist poisoning, we were encouraged to sacrifice often, and not just during Lent. Great saints have written on the matter. And of course He gave us the example of fasting. Another hearty debate topic! I look forward to the much wiser commentary of others.
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The article, unless I have missed something, says the trip occured on Monday in February. That means it could've been the 4th or 11th, which is outside of Lent.
I understand it was published during Lent, but perhaps someone should find the correct date before we all start assuming.
That would be very helpful to know. I so want to believe this visit occurred before Septuagesima.
As I mentioned previously, SeaWorld itself is a terrific educational facility. In truth, it is a zoological institution and part of the AZA. (the animals and exhibits are extraordinary and showcase the magnificence our Creator very well indeed). It began to offer rides a number of years ago, to draw in the thrill seekers, taking advantage of the Disney/Universal tourists.
But Jerome makes a good point about what we teach our children, and the example of our priests. A large portion of the weight of the cross they bear is maintaining rigorous standards of holiness, since they are called by the Father for our salvation.
Yes, I said rigorous.
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At least they didn't go to the beach.
That'll be next.
For those out there that are new to this sspx.org article for "public consumption", do not be too surprised that these "outings" are new to such "amusements"; they have been going on for quite a while.
This is only the first time that "officially" sspx.org, Fr. Rostand, is presenting this as something "wholesome and mainstream". Fr. Peter Scott was adamantly against these kinds of "amusements" when he was the District Superior.
To add, I know first hand that 4-SSPX priests went on an "outing" that ended up in going to the beach -I was with them- unknowingly that this was a place we were stopping at; and begrudgingly I was very upset!
Additionally, 2-SSPX priests went "quietly" in the evening to a baseball game without cassocks and returned without cassocks "blissful" -I saw them go off and come back- and heard all about the "stadium games" the next day. One of those priests had on his computer a screen saver depicting a "baseball pro" (not a Catholic saint); as with, he had a television in his room in which he used to watch the "big stadium games" on. I had seen the "defining blue glow" through his window and him screaming "ball game shouting" when there was an "outstanding" play.
Unfortunately, there are many more stories that I know of over the years. This kind of "amusement" is not new; it is just now paraded as "wholesome and mainstream" to do from the leaders of the SSPX...just like other habits that go on in the conciliar church
It seems in this "new-deal" the SSPX leaders are trying to do with conciliar Rome, when they want to join them, they unfortunately begin to act like them.
It is also true that it is not important on what is on the "outside" of a person; it is what goes on in the "inside" that is important. However, the "outside" type of amusements do reveal the "inside" thoughts and behaviors of an individual.
Yes for a religious it is very sad that these "sensual and inordinate" things are still going on in the SSPX...
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LOL. Now its questionable that a priest has a pro athlete as his background and not a saint.
You antisspxers are grasping at straws. Its comical and sad.
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I just think those "men" look girly.
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LOL. Now its questionable that a priest has a pro athlete as his background and not a saint.
You antisspxers are grasping at straws. Its comical and sad.
Simply said-
You are what you eat...
You are what you read...
You are what you listen to...
You are what you emulate...
To your comment of "antisspxers", if you have ever read anything on Cathinfo, we are not "anti-sspxers"; to the contrary, we are very "pro-sspxers" of what Archbishop Lefebvre had stood for and do fight against this new-change of orientation in the N-SSPX.
Unlike the "Accordistas" who just follow blindly the party line of a "false" obedience into lions den of this "pro-conciliar deal".
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To your comment of "antisspxers", if you have ever read anything on Cathinfo, we are not "anti-sspxers"; to the contrary, we are very "pro-sspxers" of what Archbishop Lefebvre had stood for and do fight against this new-change of orientation in the N-SSPX.
Those who are more interested in baseball than in the reason why priests are threatened and expelled - how did they get that way?
There's clearly a lot of weariness out there. Liberal-minded people either don't realize or don't care what is at stake.
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To your comment of "antisspxers", if you have ever read anything on Cathinfo, we are not "anti-sspxers"; to the contrary, we are very "pro-sspxers" of what Archbishop Lefebvre had stood for and do fight against this new-change of orientation in the N-SSPX.
Those who are more interested in baseball than in the reason why priests are threatened and expelled - how did they get that way?
There's clearly a lot of weariness out there. Liberal-minded people either don't realize or don't care what is at stake.
Perhaps another name for "Accordistas"...is DENIALISTS!
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For those out there that are new to this sspx.org article for "public consumption", do not be too surprised that these "outings" are new to such "amusements"; they have been going on for quite a while.
This is only the first time that "officially" sspx.org, Fr. Rostand, is presenting this as something "wholesome and mainstream". Fr. Peter Scott was adamantly against these kinds of "amusements" when he was the District Superior.
To add, I know first hand that 4-SSPX priests went on an "outing" that ended up in going to the beach -I was with them- unknowingly that this was a place we were stopping at; and begrudgingly I was very upset!
Additionally, 2-SSPX priests went "quietly" in the evening to a baseball game without cassocks and returned without cassocks "blissful" -I saw them go off and come back- and heard all about the "stadium games" the next day. One of those priests had on his computer a screen saver depicting a "baseball pro" (not a Catholic saint); as with, he had a television in his room in which he used to watch the "big stadium games" on. I had seen the "defining blue glow" through his window and him screaming "ball game shouting" when there was an "outstanding" play.
Unfortunately, there are many more stories that I know of over the years. This kind of "amusement" is not new; it is just now paraded as "wholesome and mainstream" to do from the leaders of the SSPX...just like other habits that go on in the conciliar church
It seems in this "new-deal" the SSPX leaders are trying to do with conciliar Rome, when they want to join them, they unfortunately begin to act like them.
It is also true that it is not important on what is on the "outside" of a person; it is what goes on in the "inside" that is important. However, the "outside" type of amusements do reveal the "inside" thoughts and behaviors of an individual.
Yes for a religious it is very sad that these "sensual and inordinate" things are still going on in the SSPX...
Our enemies, the world, the flesh, and the devil are always waging war on our souls. We have to fight these enemies until we die, and the attacks are relentless.
I remember reading about Jacinta of Fatima's last days. When she was in the hospital she said. "Priests must be very pure, and not concern themselves with the things of the world." If priests remain hidden to the things of the world, the devil's attacks against them would diminish somewhat. Their only concern should be for souls.
Recreational activities should be prudently chosen. I think these SSPX were way out of character. Reminds me of stories of what Vatican 11 nuns did after Vatican 11 when they began throwing off their habits and adapting to the world.
"No man can serve 2 masters"
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When my grandmother was young her parish priest would often go down to the local pier if young people were "bleaching". He used this term for sunbathing.By today's standards it was probably harmless.He would chase them home. He met my grandmother the next day and asked had she been "bleaching". She hadn't. Whilst modestly dressed she was concerned her sleeves on the dress were too short. He didn't say anything and was pleased she wasn't "bleaching" at the pier.
He was also quite strict about people gathering to play music in the village. He stopped events that could lead to occasions of sin.
Now, these days people are going bronze on golden beaches. Bishop Williamson mentioned it before.
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LOL. Now its questionable that a priest has a pro athlete as his background and not a saint.
You antisspxers are grasping at straws. Its comical and sad.
We're not against the SSPX of Archbishop Lefebvre. We're against the Neo-SSPX of Bishop Fellay (aka Opus Fellay).
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"Anything but sin". I'm not so sure I see anything sinful here.
True and those in the photograph are wearing cassocks. There has to be a limit though or a priest will be a "Father Trendy" type.
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For some reason the The Bells of St. Mary's came to mind. A pre Vatican II version of Sister Act.
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To your comment of "antisspxers", if you have ever read anything on Cathinfo, we are not "anti-sspxers"; to the contrary, we are very "pro-sspxers" of what Archbishop Lefebvre had stood for and do fight against this new-change of orientation in the N-SSPX.
Those who are more interested in baseball than in the reason why priests are threatened and expelled - how did they get that way?
There's clearly a lot of weariness out there. Liberal-minded people either don't realize or don't care what is at stake.
How do you know he cares more about baseball than priestly duties?
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How do you know he cares more about baseball than priestly duties?
Didn't say that.
Seems to me most of these people are indifferent to what's going on in the SSPX, or approving it.
So what are the priorities of such priests?
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LOL. Now its questionable that a priest has a pro athlete as his background and not a saint.
You antisspxers are grasping at straws. Its comical and sad.
We're not against the SSPX of Archbishop Lefebvre. We're against the Neo-SSPX of Bishop Fellay (aka Opus Fellay).
:rolleyes:
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Three things to those who believe it is cute for priests to join the crowds at the amusement park for "gaiety" like this:
1.) It does create a near occasion of sin for them and for us as well when we know it is likely our eyes may fall on an exhibit of skin or other perverse activity we ordinarily might not see. Accordingly, such activity should be avoided and substituted with other past times less potentially compromising.
2.) The senior priests entertaining visiting seminarians have even more culpability here. Woe to anyone who causes another to stumble.
Consider Luke 17:1-2
17 And he said to his disciples: It is impossible that scandals should not come: but woe to him through whom they come.
2 It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones.
3.) Posting this event on the SSPX USA website during lent is extremely poor judgment and yet another sign the leadership is in a modernist bent tail spin. I personally an insulted the leadership has such little regard for those who have supported the Society. They really think we want to see this ? It appears to me there a subtle attempt to cause Traditional Catholic's, especially those who don't support a cave in to Rome, to ease up a bit and not be so firm in our views?
I personally am intolerant of the "slow boil" attempts by the SSPX leadership to change me or you toward modernism. It is offensive to me.
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It appears to me there a subtle attempt to cause Traditional Catholic's, especially those who don't support a cave in to Rome, to ease up a bit
That is the idea. SSPX priests are swell guys who like to go to the ball game, ride roller coasters, and cut loose.
And look, a bunch of extremist nutjobs are complaining about it!
"You're cool, we're cool, those nutjobs who don't like +Fellay aren't cool!"
This article is a bit like bait too.
But why shouldn't it be taken?
With all that is going on in the Church, why this article, during Lent?
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Indeed and there is no doubt the SSPX is sliding. It has to be said there are a variety of people, who attend the SSPX. I don't agree with SSPX families sending their children to local schools or a woman putting on a trousers when she gets home from Mass.
What I quite like about priests like Fr Morgan is he is good when it comes to how women should dress and act. He gets criticised for it.
Jansenism has been mentioned but can't be used an excuse for a woman to become a "party animal" or for priests to ride the roller coaster.
It might be perceived as a bit of craic as we say in Ireland but they are priests.
A few years ago I was at a pro-life street stall with Youth Defence and what really impressed me was the girls who attend the SSPX. They were modestly dressed. Dresses not trousers. It was good example to the women present, who were wearing trousers.
I'm not suggesting the women in trousers were tramps but it goes back to example.
Same for the priests and seminarians. I am all for recreation but is an amusement park a suitable place for priests and seminarians.
There will be criticism for those bordering on puritanical.
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It's a shame with everything going on in the world and everything else they could be doing for the greater glory of God and the salvation of souls that they indulge in that type of recreation - like little kids for crying out loud.
Did they go see the big black and white fishie in the tank and get splashed by the big splash too?
:facepalm:
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So next time a Society priest preaches against going to an amusement park, how should the laity react? Laity tend to ignore priests though. Whilst Ireland has a little school for younger children, sadly many SSPX folk are sending their children to local secondary schools. Not ideal at all.
It was said before many of the parents who send children to the SSPX school in England are very pro-Capitalist.
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So next time a Society priest preaches against going to an amusement park, how should the laity react?
Show him that the SSPX leaders want a new-change in this sspx.org article; then perhaps this priest will joint the resistance.
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So next time a Society priest preaches against going to an amusement park, how should the laity react?
Show him that the SSPX leaders want a new-change in this sspx.org article; then perhaps this priest will joint the resistance.
Perhaps but at this stage we must begin again. The network of resisting priests will increase but they won't be SSPX. The Society have slipped away. In time the resistance will have to look at independent schools, a new currency, housing, a new society.
It's quite an exciting time but a challenging one. We could sit back and think what could have been for the SSPX but our focus should be on what will be. The SSPX will fragment more and more as time goes by.
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SeaWorld would be regarded as being pro-Capitalist. Certainly poor judgement on the part of the priests and seminarians.
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For those inquiring, Septuagesima Sunday occurred last Sunday of January. February is right in Septuagesima and Lent. Which is why one is left wondering how appropriate the SSPX priests are in going to amusement parks in the penitential seasons! I understand after Easter and Christmas, sure!
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Perhaps but at this stage we must begin again. The network of resisting priests will increase but they won't be SSPX. The Society have slipped away. In time the resistance will have to look at independent schools, a new currency, housing, a new society.
I wonder what the new society will be called.
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For those inquiring, Septuagesima Sunday occurred last Sunday of January. February is right in Septuagesima and Lent. Which is why one is left wondering how appropriate the SSPX priests are in going to amusement parks in the penitential seasons! I understand after Easter and Christmas, sure!
They are quite the hypocrites so. Do take note if the Society preach against going to amusement parks in future.
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Perhaps but at this stage we must begin again. The network of resisting priests will increase but they won't be SSPX. The Society have slipped away. In time the resistance will have to look at independent schools, a new currency, housing, a new society.
I wonder what the new society will be called.
loose network of independent pockets of Catholic Resistance, gathered around the Mass, freely contacting one another, but with no structure of false obedience, which served to sink the mainstream Church in the 1960’s and is now sinking the Society of St. Pius X.
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And then of course it sets a poor example for the laity too, for the same reason.
It's a very bad example.
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The office of the priesthood, to which a man is raised by Holy Orders, is one of great dignity, but likewise one of no slight difficulty and of vast responsibility.
The priesthood is the highest dignity upon earth. It surpasses that of kings and emperors, nay, even of the angels themselves...
The sacerdotal office is also one of great difficulty; the obligations resting upon the priest are neither few nor light... he is bound to renounce all worldly amusements...
It cites dancing as an example, but it could just as well cite amusement parks and roller coasters.
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As Archbishop Lefebvre very clearly states, the community life is of the utmost importance for the members of the Society of St. Pius X.
God made man social by nature, and the Archbishop shows a very good grasp of human nature in these passages quoted. As he points out, common prayer is by far the most important aspect of community life. It nourishes the priest’s interior life and is the powerhouse which gives fruit to his apostolate, but it is not only this which our Founder speaks of when he emphasizes the necessity of community life. Meals in common, speaking and recreating together are also of great importance.
Um, ok. Can anyone here imagine Archbishop Lefebvre going to an amusement park and riding a roller coaster? No? Didn't think so.
The above quote is an utterly pathetic attempt to use (more like twist) the Archbishop's words to justify going to an amusement park and riding a roller coaster. It is a promotion of materialism, and being of the world. And they're so proud of it that they post about it on their website!
What's next? Disney World?
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Disney World?
Orlando's Bishop;
(http://www.newmiamiarch.org/Atimo_s/articles_images/101215131558763.jpg)
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Um, ok. Can anyone here imagine Archbishop Lefebvre going to an amusement park and riding a roller coaster? No? Didn't think so.
How about the fact that they are or aspire to be "other Christ's". Can you imagine Our Lord or the apostles participating in the vulgar recreations of their time?
How about a nice hike, or a visit to a nearby shrine? These are the types of recreations we chose for our family- to preserve innocence. The more you accept the past-times and behavior of worldlings, the more willing you are to begin to compromise in little and then in big ways. It's called temptation.
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As Archbishop Lefebvre very clearly states, the community life is of the utmost importance for the members of the Society of St. Pius X.
God made man social by nature, and the Archbishop shows a very good grasp of human nature in these passages quoted. As he points out, common prayer is by far the most important aspect of community life. It nourishes the priest’s interior life and is the powerhouse which gives fruit to his apostolate, but it is not only this which our Founder speaks of when he emphasizes the necessity of community life. Meals in common, speaking and recreating together are also of great importance.
Um, ok. Can anyone here imagine Archbishop Lefebvre going to an amusement park and riding a roller coaster? No? Didn't think so.
The above quote is an utterly pathetic attempt to use (more like twist) the Archbishop's words to justify going to an amusement park and riding a roller coaster. It is a promotion of materialism, and being of the world. And they're so proud of it that they post about it on their website!
What's next? Disney World?
Back in the day, we never had recreation like this at the seminary.
We stayed on the seminary grounds, went on hikes in the woods, or recreated inside the seminary.
Our recreation while Bishop Williamson ran the show was always discrete, for the reasons laid out by Pope St Pius X in my previous post on this thread.
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Is it absolutely immoral for lay people to go to places like this?
My job will make amusement parks, beach, waterpark etc. unavoidable this summer.
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Is it absolutely immoral for lay people to go to places like this?
No. Did someone say so?
My job will make amusement parks, beach, waterpark etc. unavoidable this summer.
Have fun. I bet you'll stand out from the crowd.
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Is it absolutely immoral for lay people to go to places like this?
My job will make amusement parks, beach, waterpark etc. unavoidable this summer.
Better find another job.
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Disney World?
Orlando's Bishop;
(http://www.newmiamiarch.org/Atimo_s/articles_images/101215131558763.jpg)
Disney World is for the low rank priests, I will ride with style on my "Virginia World" financed by the 30 silver coins I received from the Jews.
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Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
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Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
.......but....but.....but.....Fr. Haynos said:
"A good community life is extraordinarily helpful to a priest to help him stay faithful. Constantly bombarded by the world he feels very much alone."
"The priory is a home for priests, and as such is much the same as the family home. Married women are often told: if you do not make your home such that your husband looks forward to returning to it, he may go looking elsewhere."
Once upon a time (back in the old days), when Traiditional Catholicism used to reign, God always consoled ALL those whom felt abandoned, rejected, and even despaired when they devoutly prayed with sincerety for help.
Now we have Seaworld!! Yaaaaay!!! :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana:
(http://sspx.org/chapel_news/sanford_fl_3-8-2013/img009.jpg)
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I must say, I don't see the big deal.
If done at the behest of something more important or if funds were used that should have been directed towards something else, I can see arguments. ...
Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
It was seven people so that would be x $79 = $553
Plus lunch at that restaurant (my friend ate there once) for 7 men would be no less than like $400.
Now, from what I'm told by friend, the Sanford, FL Priory was struggling just to pay for the priests food and housing expenses for the three original priests. Now they have 5 living there, and none do any maintenance work, or cooking, or house cleaning. There are only about maximum 175 parishioners in Sanford and that is on a good Sunday. You are lucky if there are 24 people at all of the daily masses put together at Sanford.
I would expect that someone at some anti-accordista would post something like this to discredit that "new" SSPX, however, to see it at the SSPX.org site is quite surprising. How can these people be so idiotic? Amazing! That they went to SeaWorld to see the sea life is one thing. That they go to SeaWorld to go on the roller coaster rides, and to eat at THE most expensive restaurant in SeaWorld is another. That they publish an article on SSPX.org going on roller coasters and eating at the most expensive restaurant as something exemplary that priests, deacons, and seminarians (Fr. Davide Pagliarani is the rector of the SSPX)
Seminary in Argentina)should do, is quite beyond belief to me.
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The Seaworld is just the begining of amusements for the neo-SSPX........
7 We declare that we recognise the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and of the Sacraments celebrated with the intent of doing what the Church does with the rites referred in the typical editions of the Roman Missal and the Sacramental Ritual legitimately promulgated by popes Paul VI and Jean-Paul II.
Bishop "Mickey" Fellay is taking them to DISNEYWORLD!!!!
:rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:
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How about a nice hike, or a visit to a nearby shrine?
I would be thinking along those lines also. It does seem very poor judgement on the part of the priests and seminarians.
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I must say, I don't see the big deal.
If done at the behest of something more important or if funds were used that should have been directed towards something else, I can see arguments. ...
Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
It was seven people so that would be x $79 = $553
Plus lunch at that restaurant (my friend ate there once) for 7 men would be no less than like $400.
Now, from what I'm told by friend, the Sanford, FL Priory was struggling just to pay for the priests food and housing expenses for the three original priests. Now they have 5 living there, and none do any maintenance work, or cooking, or house cleaning. There are only about maximum 175 parishioners in Sanford and that is on a good Sunday. You are lucky if there are 24 people at all of the daily masses put together at Sanford.
I would expect that someone at some anti-accordista would post something like this to discredit that "new" SSPX, however, to see it at the SSPX.org site is quite surprising. How can these people be so idiotic? Amazing! That they went to SeaWorld to see the sea life is one thing. That they go to SeaWorld to go on the roller coaster rides, and to eat at THE most expensive restaurant in SeaWorld is another. That they publish an article on SSPX.org going on roller coasters and eating at the most expensive restaurant as something exemplary that priests, deacons, and seminarians (Fr. Davide Pagliarani is the rector of the SSPX)
Seminary in Argentina)should do, is quite beyond belief to me.
This story is about the SSPX Sanford, FL Priory
From: http://www.eccentricbliss.com/2012/11/busy-sunday/
Busy Sunday
Church was an all day affair today. After Holy Mass, there was the children’s All Saints’ Day pageant and a picnic. I brought quality wine to share — and stemware worthy of it — much to the people’s delight (last year was supermarket “wine” and silly glasses). After good conversation and judicious drinking came Solemn Vespers, chanted, with Benediction following. I learned that the Priory priests hold a wine and tobacco hour between 7:10 pm and 8:30 pm each week day. I think that Bruce Rhea and I might attend on Wednesday. Perhaps this will become routine; it certainly does sound like fun. Fr. Vernoy, beware!
From: http://www.eccentricbliss.com/?s=pipe
A necessity to fraternise with the Society priests at the Priory on weekday evenings between supper and Compline, I wanted something a bit more practical than my huge (genuine) calabash pipe.
[I do not smoke tobacco in any other form, especially cigarettes and even cigars. But I do enjoy the occasional bowl.]
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I'm reminded of The Cure de Ars, and how he only ate boiled potatoes and milk, and used all of the donations for the church building and the poor and sick. There's a man that men can look up to.
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Let's try to go to the heart of the problem here.
Considering place, time, company, etc., it could be matter for discussion if this kind of amusement is suitable for priests, but in all justice, I don't think the visit to this particular amusement park was during Lent, however, two things about this could be said for certain:
1. The spirit of cool "Life on the Rock EWTN catholicism" is definitely there; and
2. Such amusing moments were posted during Lent season by sspx.org none of the less.
But, still, the truth of the matter is: This is just the cherry of the cake... the rotten cake of neo-SSPX and Fr. Vernoy!
Here are some reasons why we could say this:
This prior has removed all the books condemning Vatican II and the New Mass out of the shelves of the Church's Library. (After parishioners and Fr. Chazal sounded the alarm he's returned them - isn't he wonderful?)
This prior, along with Fr. Leo Haynos, have literally burned (Inquisition style) books against the Jews (Fr. Fahey's) that belonged to Fr. Hopkins from St. Philomena Chapel, Miami-FL.
This prior has called Bp. Tissier's sermon in Winona/2012 of "the work of the devil" in more than one occasion.
This prior is known for having tried to set up a meeting with the local Diocesan Bishop (Bp. Noonan?)
This prior has been known for his insipid sermons.
This prior has performed exorcisms during Mass against the "evils in the air" for at least a couple of times.
This prior has implied two men at the Chapel were "dangerous" because they were "old", "not married" and "buddy buddy".
This prior is known to have downplayed the existence of Purgatory.
This prior has fired the usher because he supports the work of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko.
This prior has threatened other families through e-mail, voice messages, private meetings and even from the pulpit.
This prior has tried to expel unhappy parishioners from the Church so he could charge non-parishioner tuition from their kids in school.
This prior ended up kicking these two little kids out (again, "literally"; telling a 7 and 5 year old to their faces they were no longer allowed in the school).
This prior has tried to get paid (through Step Up program) for the tuition even AFTER he had kicked them out (!)
This prior has placed a new priest to be responsible for Davie-FL and Miami-FL; and you guessed right: It is another French priest! In this case though, he doesn't speak broken english... he doesn't speak english at all. (Well, maybe we could say "lucky them!").
This prior has recently asked $3,700 for a Visa. (I guess visas are expensive in France, eh?)
This prior has been saying mass at the house of a relative of the false, harmful, deluded and self-proclaimed visionary called Dawn Marie.
This prior has been destroying years and years of hard work from good and holy priests we had in Florida throughout the decades.
The list goes on.....
So the thrill in Florida has been way beyond those of a mere roller coaster.
Poor Florida!
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Hey AntiFellayism, good to see you're still around.
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Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
Let's keep in mind, though, that they very well might have received their tickets for free from parishioners.
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I must say, I don't see the big deal.
If done at the behest of something more important or if funds were used that should have been directed towards something else, I can see arguments. ...
Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
It was seven people so that would be x $79 = $553
Plus lunch at that restaurant (my friend ate there once) for 7 men would be no less than like $400.
Now, from what I'm told by friend, the Sanford, FL Priory was struggling just to pay for the priests food and housing expenses for the three original priests. Now they have 5 living there, and none do any maintenance work, or cooking, or house cleaning. There are only about maximum 175 parishioners in Sanford and that is on a good Sunday. You are lucky if there are 24 people at all of the daily masses put together at Sanford.
I would expect that someone at some anti-accordista would post something like this to discredit that "new" SSPX, however, to see it at the SSPX.org site is quite surprising. How can these people be so idiotic? Amazing! That they went to SeaWorld to see the sea life is one thing. That they go to SeaWorld to go on the roller coaster rides, and to eat at THE most expensive restaurant in SeaWorld is another. That they publish an article on SSPX.org going on roller coasters and eating at the most expensive restaurant as something exemplary that priests, deacons, and seminarians (Fr. Davide Pagliarani is the rector of the SSPX)
Seminary in Argentina)should do, is quite beyond belief to me.
This story is about the SSPX Sanford, FL Priory
From: http://www.eccentricbliss.com/2012/11/busy-sunday/
Busy Sunday
Church was an all day affair today. After Holy Mass, there was the children’s All Saints’ Day pageant and a picnic. I brought quality wine to share — and stemware worthy of it — much to the people’s delight (last year was supermarket “wine” and silly glasses). After good conversation and judicious drinking came Solemn Vespers, chanted, with Benediction following. I learned that the Priory priests hold a wine and tobacco hour between 7:10 pm and 8:30 pm each week day. I think that Bruce Rhea and I might attend on Wednesday. Perhaps this will become routine; it certainly does sound like fun. Fr. Vernoy, beware!
From: http://www.eccentricbliss.com/?s=pipe
A necessity to fraternise with the Society priests at the Priory on weekday evenings between supper and Compline, I wanted something a bit more practical than my huge (genuine) calabash pipe.
[I do not smoke tobacco in any other form, especially cigarettes and even cigars. But I do enjoy the occasional bowl.
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I'm reminded of The Cure de Ars, and how he only ate boiled potatoes and milk, and used all of the donations for the church building and the poor and sick. There's a man that men can look up to.
It's funny how a "anglican catholic" can feel so at home at St. Thomas More Chapel, isn't it?
I'd rather have a decent but CHEAP supermarket wine than to drink their wine:
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Another thing that makes this type of recreation different from those of former times, is that amusement parks are very expensive.
According to the Sea World website, a one-day adult ticket is $89 ($79 if purchased online.) That doesn't include food and drink, always very expensive at places like this, parking, and souvenirs.
Let's keep in mind, though, that they very well might have received their tickets for free from parishioners.
I spoke to my friend and he says there are no parishioners that work at Disney World or Seaworld that have ever provided free tickets. That every time the priests go to Disney World, that a parishioner has accompanied the priest or priests and paid for the trip and all expenses just like everyone else does, no special rates. He says that it appears on this occasion that all of the priests went by themselves.
He added, that there are like 6 people that do all of the work at the priory and church and that they are worked to the bone, slaving for the 4 priests and seminarian that don't lift a finger to do any maintenance, mowing, house cleaning, cooking or laundry. That the 6 people are martyrs, and to be commended, as without them NOTHING would function!
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I find this thread very petty, bordering on miserable.
Oh Lord, grant us many holy priests (and many holy Traditional Catholic parishioners)!
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How so?
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Don't know any of those priests
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Is it absolutely immoral for lay people to go to places like this?
No. Did someone say so?
Well no, but I kind of got that impression from this and other posts. I always seem to have difficulty knowing what I should and should not feel guilty/worry about.
Is it absolutely immoral for
people to go to places like this?
My job will make amusement parks, beach, waterpark etc. unavoidable this summer.
Better find another job.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but simply put, I have few other employment options that allow me to keep my daughter out of daycare.
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Let's try to go to the heart of the problem here.
Considering place, time, company, etc., it could be matter for discussion if this kind of amusement is suitable for priests, but in all justice, I don't think the visit to this particular amusement park was during Lent, however, two things about this could be said for certain:
1. The spirit of cool "Life on the Rock EWTN catholicism" is definitely there; and
2. Such amusing moments were posted during Lent season by sspx.org none of the less.
But, still, the truth of the matter is: This is just the cherry of the cake... the rotten cake of neo-SSPX and Fr. Vernoy!
Here are some reasons why we could say this:
This prior has removed all the books condemning Vatican II and the New Mass out of the shelves of the Church's Library. (After parishioners and Fr. Chazal sounded the alarm he's returned them - isn't he wonderful?)
This prior, along with Fr. Leo Haynos, have literally burned (Inquisition style) books against the Jews (Fr. Fahey's) that belonged to Fr. Hopkins from St. Philomena Chapel, Miami-FL.
This prior has called Bp. Tissier's sermon in Winona/2012 of "the work of the devil" in more than one occasion.
This prior is known for having tried to set up a meeting with the local Diocesan Bishop (Bp. Noonan?)
This prior has been known for his insipid sermons.
This prior has performed exorcisms during Mass against the "evils in the air" for at least a couple of times.
This prior has implied two men at the Chapel were "dangerous" because they were "old", "not married" and "buddy buddy".
This prior is known to have downplayed the existence of Purgatory.
This prior has fired the usher because he supports the work of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko.
This prior has threatened other families through e-mail, voice messages, private meetings and even from the pulpit.
This prior has tried to expel unhappy parishioners from the Church so he could charge non-parishioner tuition from their kids in school.
This prior ended up kicking these two little kids out (again, "literally"; telling a 7 and 5 year old to their faces they were no longer allowed in the school).
This prior has tried to get paid (through Step Up program) for the tuition even AFTER he had kicked them out (!)
This prior has placed a new priest to be responsible for Davie-FL and Miami-FL; and you guessed right: It is another French priest! In this case though, he doesn't speak broken english... he doesn't speak english at all. (Well, maybe we could say "lucky them!").
This prior has recently asked $3,700 for a Visa. (I guess visas are expensive in France, eh?)
This prior has been saying mass at the house of a relative of the false, harmful, deluded and self-proclaimed visionary called Dawn Marie.
This prior has been destroying years and years of hard work from good and holy priests we had in Florida throughout the decades.
The list goes on.....
So the thrill in Florida has been way beyond those of a mere roller coaster.
Poor Florida!
I would've never imagined in my wildest dreams that a nightmare like this could be coming from a priest that was supposed to be teaching the "Traditional Catholic Faith".
The truly sad thing when reading about "priests" such as Fr. Vernoy is it seems like this is a very common occurrence within this neo-SSPX priesthood, which is self-surgically destructing any crediblity that they're so deperatley seeking. "And let him that is instructed in the word, communicate to him that instructeth him, in all good things. Be not deceived, God is not mocked." Galatians 6:7
It's very easy to see the complete opposite in conduct of behaviour and attitude in which the resistance priests carry themselves with the earned (not demanded) respect and dignity in the likes of Fr. Hewko's, Fr. Chazal's, or Fr. Pfeiffer's. They simply speak the truth. Almighty God's Truth!
Fr. Pfeiffer gives an excellent sermon on what a Catholic priest should be.......it would certainly benefit the whole neo-SSPX to see this and return back to their true vocation of saving souls.
CATHOLIC PRIEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPL_q0bAfRU&feature=youtu.be)
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
SSPX MARIAN CORPS.
Maybe Noel Christie was lazy to type Joseph and shortened it?? :confused1:
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
MC in SSPX MC means SSPX Marian Corps. This is what I typed when I upload the Frs. sermon in my YouTube account. This is pesonally requested by Fr. Chazal when he was in Singapore on the 24th Febraury 2013.
As for calling him Joe? I think you got it wrong. In all the uploads of Fr. Pfeiffer sermons, I don't 'call him Joe' BUT FR. JOE PFEIFFER and I don't see anything Novus Ordo about that?????
GOD ALONE.
Noel Christie
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
SSPX MARIAN CORPS.
Maybe Noel Christie was lazy to type Joseph and shortened it?? :confused1:
I think it is because Joseph did not fit the space. I know that they put the first name to differentiate him from his brother. It would be better to use the letter J, when you can't put Joseph. I was always taught that one should use their entire name, which is the name of a saint. In this case one of the most belived saints.
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
SSPX MARIAN CORPS.
Maybe Noel Christie was lazy to type Joseph and shortened it?? :confused1:
No, I was not lazy to type Joseph. Infact I have Fr. Pfeiffer permission to address him as FR. JOE PFEIFFER, when I upload his sermons on YouTube.
GOD ALONE.
Noel Christie
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I would've never imagined in my wildest dreams that a nightmare like this could be coming from a priest that was supposed to be teaching the "Traditional Catholic Faith".
The truly sad thing when reading about "priests" such as Fr. Vernoy is it seems like this is a very common occurrence within this neo-SSPX priesthood, which is self-surgically destructing any crediblity that they're so deperatley seeking....
It's very easy to see the complete opposite in conduct of behaviour and attitude in which the resistance priests carry themselves with the earned (not demanded) respect and dignity in the likes of Fr. Hewko's, Fr. Chazal's, or Fr. Pfeiffer's. They simply speak the truth. Almighty God's Truth!
Fr. Pfeiffer gives an excellent sermon on what a Catholic priest should be.......it would certainly benefit the whole neo-SSPX to see this and return back to their true vocation of saving souls.
CATHOLIC PRIEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPL_q0bAfRU&feature=youtu.be)
Everyone must hear this sermon at 13:00 minute mark, and compare Fr. Pfeiffers descrption of a priest with the example given by Anti-Fellayism.
"A priest is meant to die for his flock".
The entire sermon is the perfect response, the perfect lesson for all of the priests like anti-Fellay describes. The man who learns from his errors, will have great wisdom in his age. The more mistakes he makes the more that he grows in wisdom. I hope that that priest and all such priests can learn from their mistakes. This entire thread would not exist, had SSPX.org not published the Seaworld "fun priests" article.
LESSON: They could have all gone to Seaworld, and gone on the roller coaster, and eaten a bag sandwhich, and not advertized it, and nobody would have thought anything of it.
Thank you for thinking of and posting the link to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon and for producing the video.
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
SSPX MARIAN CORPS.
Maybe Noel Christie was lazy to type Joseph and shortened it?? :confused1:
No, I was not lazy to type Joseph. Infact I have Fr. Pfeiffer permission to address him as FR. JOE PFEIFFER, when I upload his sermons on YouTube.
GOD ALONE.
Noel Christie
My apologies Noel Christie.
I should've let you answer that. :fryingpan:
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What does the MC mean in SSPX MC? Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
MC in SSPX MC means SSPX Marian Corps. This is what I typed when I upload the Frs. sermon in my YouTube account. This is pesonally requested by Fr. Chazal when he was in Singapore on the 24th Febraury 2013.
As for calling him Joe? I think you got it wrong. In all the uploads of Fr. Pfeiffer sermons, I don't 'call him Joe' BUT FR. JOE PFEIFFER and I don't see anything Novus Ordo about that?????
GOD ALONE.
Noel Christie
Calling him Fr. Joe Pfeiffer is NOT Novus Ordo.
You're thinking of "Joe" or "Father Joe".
A priest can shorten his first name if he wishes.
Some parts of the country are more informal than others. In the Midwest, for example, no one's name gets to be longer than 1 syllable. Even a nickname like "Cassie" gets shortened to "Cass". Kevin gets shortened to "Kev". And despite going by "Matthew" for about 13 years now, I'm still "Matt" to my relatives up north.
There's nothing heretical about it.
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I find this thread very petty, bordering on miserable.
Oh Lord, grant us many holy priests (and many holy Traditional Catholic parishioners)!
I disagree with you regarding the tread being petty. I shall be the 8th to dislike your comment.
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I really wonder about the 4 people downthumbing my topic. Could it be they think it normal for priests to take part in amusements not worthy of the dignity of a priest, IMHO? I understand the need for recreation, but SeaWorld and on the roller coaster rides?!!
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Why do they call him Joe? It is totally Novus Ordo. His name is Joseph.
As for calling him Joe? I think you got it wrong. In all the uploads of Fr. Pfeiffer sermons, I don't 'call him Joe' BUT FR. JOE PFEIFFER and I don't see anything Novus Ordo about that?????
Calling him Fr. Joe Pfeiffer is NOT Novus Ordo.
You're thinking of "Joe" or "Father Joe".
A priest can shorten his first name if he wishes.
Some parts of the country are more informal than others. In the Midwest, for example, no one's name gets to be longer than 1 syllable. Even a nickname like "Cassie" gets shortened to "Cass". Kevin gets shortened to "Kev". And despite going by "Matthew" for about 13 years now, I'm still "Matt" to my relatives up north.
There's nothing heretical about it.
I also think the background to saying "Fr. Joe Pfeiffer" is because there is also a Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer, his brother, so among people who know them, when there is a chance it will not be clear which one you mean, there is the custom of using the short version of their names to differentiate. Having to say "Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer" and "Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer" every time is a mouthful. Also, to say Fr. J. Pfeiffer isn't a perfect solution, as Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer's first name begins with J.
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I would've never imagined in my wildest dreams that a nightmare like this could be coming from a priest that was supposed to be teaching the "Traditional Catholic Faith".
The truly sad thing when reading about "priests" such as Fr. Vernoy is it seems like this is a very common occurrence within this neo-SSPX priesthood, which is self-surgically destructing any crediblity that they're so deperatley seeking....
It's very easy to see the complete opposite in conduct of behaviour and attitude in which the resistance priests carry themselves with the earned (not demanded) respect and dignity in the likes of Fr. Hewko's, Fr. Chazal's, or Fr. Pfeiffer's. They simply speak the truth. Almighty God's Truth!
Fr. Pfeiffer gives an excellent sermon on what a Catholic priest should be.......it would certainly benefit the whole neo-SSPX to see this and return back to their true vocation of saving souls.
CATHOLIC PRIEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPL_q0bAfRU&feature=youtu.be)
Everyone must hear this sermon at 13:00 minute mark, and compare Fr. Pfeiffers descrption of a priest with the example given by Anti-Fellayism.
"A priest is meant to die for his flock".
The entire sermon is the perfect response, the perfect lesson for all of the priests like anti-Fellay describes. The man who learns from his errors, will have great wisdom in his age. The more mistakes he makes the more that he grows in wisdom. I hope that that priest and all such priests can learn from their mistakes. This entire thread would not exist, had SSPX.org not published the Seaworld "fun priests" article.
LESSON: They could have all gone to Seaworld, and gone on the roller coaster, and eaten a bag sandwhich, and not advertized it, and nobody would have thought anything of it.
Thank you for thinking of and posting the link to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon and for producing the video.
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Kaesekopf,
No, they are not grasping at straws. I do believe that priest or someone a lot like him was at our chapel years ago. But instead of saying all this, might it be more productive to pray for them? :pray:
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No question of praying for them; I do always for all SSPX priests. Just showing another indication of the slide of the official SSPX.
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Let's try to go to the heart of the problem here.
Considering place, time, company, etc., it could be matter for discussion if this kind of amusement is suitable for priests, but in all justice, I don't think the visit to this particular amusement park was during Lent, however, two things about this could be said for certain:
1. The spirit of cool "Life on the Rock EWTN catholicism" is definitely there; and
2. Such amusing moments were posted during Lent season by sspx.org none of the less.
But, still, the truth of the matter is: This is just the cherry of the cake... the rotten cake of neo-SSPX and Fr. Vernoy!
Here are some reasons why we could say this:
This prior has removed all the books condemning Vatican II and the New Mass out of the shelves of the Church's Library. (After parishioners and Fr. Chazal sounded the alarm he's returned them - isn't he wonderful?)
This prior, along with Fr. Leo Haynos, have literally burned (Inquisition style) books against the Jews (Fr. Fahey's) that belonged to Fr. Hopkins from St. Philomena Chapel, Miami-FL.
This prior has called Bp. Tissier's sermon in Winona/2012 of "the work of the devil" in more than one occasion.
This prior is known for having tried to set up a meeting with the local Diocesan Bishop (Bp. Noonan?)
This prior has been known for his insipid sermons.
This prior has performed exorcisms during Mass against the "evils in the air" for at least a couple of times.
This prior has implied two men at the Chapel were "dangerous" because they were "old", "not married" and "buddy buddy".
This prior is known to have downplayed the existence of Purgatory.
This prior has fired the usher because he supports the work of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko.
This prior has threatened other families through e-mail, voice messages, private meetings and even from the pulpit.
This prior has tried to expel unhappy parishioners from the Church so he could charge non-parishioner tuition from their kids in school.
This prior ended up kicking these two little kids out (again, "literally"; telling a 7 and 5 year old to their faces they were no longer allowed in the school).
This prior has tried to get paid (through Step Up program) for the tuition even AFTER he had kicked them out (!)
This prior has placed a new priest to be responsible for Davie-FL and Miami-FL; and you guessed right: It is another French priest! In this case though, he doesn't speak broken english... he doesn't speak english at all. (Well, maybe we could say "lucky them!").
This prior has recently asked $3,700 for a Visa. (I guess visas are expensive in France, eh?)
This prior has been saying mass at the house of a relative of the false, harmful, deluded and self-proclaimed visionary called Dawn Marie.
This prior has been destroying years and years of hard work from good and holy priests we had in Florida throughout the decades.
The list goes on.....
So the thrill in Florida has been way beyond those of a mere roller coaster.
Poor Florida!
I would've never imagined in my wildest dreams that a nightmare like this could be coming from a priest that was supposed to be teaching the "Traditional Catholic Faith".
The truly sad thing when reading about "priests" such as Fr. Vernoy is it seems like this is a very common occurrence within this neo-SSPX priesthood, which is self-surgically destructing any crediblity that they're so deperatley seeking. "And let him that is instructed in the word, communicate to him that instructeth him, in all good things. Be not deceived, God is not mocked." Galatians 6:7
It's very easy to see the complete opposite in conduct of behaviour and attitude in which the resistance priests carry themselves with the earned (not demanded) respect and dignity in the likes of Fr. Hewko's, Fr. Chazal's, or Fr. Pfeiffer's. They simply speak the truth. Almighty God's Truth!
Fr. Pfeiffer gives an excellent sermon on what a Catholic priest should be.......it would certainly benefit the whole neo-SSPX to see this and return back to their true vocation of saving souls.
CATHOLIC PRIEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPL_q0bAfRU&feature=youtu.be)
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This “SeaWorld Fun Priests” thread pales to insignificance by comparison to this posting above.
That's a long list of harmful actions affecting real people. There are only two reactions to take when one makes these mistakes in life:
One recognizes his errors, learns from them, changes his ways and corrects his wrongs, thus he improves himself, gaining benefit from his errors. (the Saints, wisdom)
or
One takes personal offense and seeks vengeance against those that shined a light of their flaws/errors. (the World, ignorance)
We should all pray for the conversion and enlightenment of that priest.
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This “SeaWorld Fun Priests” thread pales to insignificance by comparison to this posting above.
That's a long list of harmful actions affecting real people. There are only two reactions to take when one makes these mistakes in life:
One recognizes his errors, learns from them, changes his ways and corrects his wrongs, thus he improves himself, gaining benefit from his errors. (the Saints, wisdom)
or
One takes personal offense and seeks vengeance against those that shined a light of their flaws/errors. (the World, ignorance)
We should all pray for the conversion and enlightenment of that priest.
Are the laity even aware of this priests "abnormal" behaviour? or are they just blindly following him?
I'm surprised that the "faithful" still attend "Mass" at Fr. Venroy's chapel....these actions by him are a complete disgrace to the priesthood.
Woe be to the nation that riseth up against my people: for the Lord almighty will take revenge on them, in the day of judgment he will visit them. Judith 16:20
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This “SeaWorld Fun Priests” thread pales to insignificance by comparison to this posting above.
That's a long list of harmful actions affecting real people. There are only two reactions to take when one makes these mistakes in life:
One recognizes his errors, learns from them, changes his ways and corrects his wrongs, thus he improves himself, gaining benefit from his errors. (the Saints, wisdom)
or
One takes personal offense and seeks vengeance against those that shined a light of their flaws/errors. (the World, ignorance)
We should all pray for the conversion and enlightenment of that priest.
Are the laity even aware of this priests "abnormal" behaviour? or are they just blindly following him?
I'm surprised that the "faithful" still attend "Mass" at Fr. Venroy's chapel....these actions by him are a complete disgrace to the priesthood.
Woe be to the nation that riseth up against my people: for the Lord almighty will take revenge on them, in the day of judgment he will visit them. Judith 16:20
I think many are still unaware and/or deceived by the Fellayites over STM Chapel, however I wouldn't say there are no 'faithful' nor 'Mass' taking place there, the problem is not the Mass, otherwise we could go to the MP Mass, Indult, etc. The problem is the Faith! And this is the point many traditionalists overlook still.
Take for instance one of their school teachers, she was told Bishop Williamson decided to leave the Society...
Others are told the priest didn't do this, the priest didn't do that; but those who are closely working with this prior have been seeing more and more what he's capable of... The best thing is he doesn't have a clue who's friend and who's foe on his dealings any longer. The Chapel is not that big and there are well over 10 families who definitely condemn all that he's been doing (and not doing).
The same rule from Bishop Fellay applies to their cultists and muppets, that is, the more they talk the more one realizes their wickedness; but you bet there are also those who doesn't even think such a wicked actions are abnormal... For those, specially, we should pray.
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My priest when I showed him the photos:
"Ça donne la nausée."
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Graham
My priest when I showed him the photos:
"Ça donne la nausée."
C'est droll! :laugh1: