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Offline forlorn

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Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2020, 06:56:45 PM »
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  • You don’t buy that it’s such a fatal thing? Really? Don’t you realize this is about CONTROL and NOT about health?.
    What does control have to do with hypoxia? 

    Offline Yeti

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #16 on: July 24, 2020, 07:15:27 PM »
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  • Honestly, are we really going to get minimum wage employees fined thousands of dollars or fired from their jobs or thrown into prison for this? Ruin lives because they make you wear a mask? A mask doesn't hurt you. It is not a vaccine made with dead baby parts which may make you sick or sterilize you.
    Matthew wrote an excellent post addressing this objection. I highly recommend it.


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #17 on: July 24, 2020, 11:48:53 PM »
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  • A good fighter sent me this link to a video by Br. Bugnolo (which, beginning at 28:30 is in English):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1843&v=oQKXcaSVbR4&feature=emb_logo

    I want to caution people against it.

    For those who do not know who Br. Alexis Bugnolo is, he is a Benevacantist (i.e., believes BXVI is the Pope).

    In this video, he makes a number of false and dangerous claims, the worst of which is that it is a mortal sin to attend Mass with a mask for the hyped coronavirus.

    That has to be one of the stupidest claims yet.

    While I am MILITANTLY opposed to wearing masks at a Mass for a fake danger (OK, a danger that might affect 0.005% of the population; a population which would/should not be attending Mass in the first place), and have absolutely no intention of complying with it (in or out of church), lets not pretend it is an "act of apostasy," as Bugnolo claims.

    I don't think he actually knows what that term means.

    Is it an affront to human dignity?  Absolutely.

    Is it contributing to perpetuating a lie?  Absolutely.

    Is it contributing to perpetuating unnecessary panic and anxiety?  Absolutely.

    Is it yielding to a frivolous and ineffective order?  Absolutely.

    Does complying with the mandate help further the globalist agenda (i.e., a prison planet)?  Absolutely.

    Is it a mortal sin to comply?  Absolutely not.

    The weak, gullible, brainwashed people who will turn up with a stupid mask on their faces to protect themselves from the chance of contracting something equivalent to a flu or common cold are truly to be pitied, but they are not committing a grave sin, and damning themselves, as this wacko brother claims.

    If YouTube is not zapping videos "dangerous to the common good," this one should be the first to go.

    I hate to see some people make things harder for people than they really are.

    Total garbage.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #18 on: July 25, 2020, 12:40:22 AM »
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  • Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline andy

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #19 on: July 25, 2020, 12:42:21 AM »
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  • If SSPX orders wearing a muzzle in my church/state, I will claim a religious exemption  :laugh1:


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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #20 on: July 25, 2020, 10:33:17 AM »
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  • An entire stadium is empty and the masker in cheif sits next to two other people without a mask
    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #21 on: July 25, 2020, 10:50:46 AM »
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  • An entire stadium is empty and the masker in cheif sits next to two other people without a mask

    You see, Orwell explained to us in "1984" that upper party members are exempted from the strictures of communism, to which the general masses are subjected:.

    "The Inner Party represents the oligarchical political class in Oceania [for our purposes, Fauci, Gates, et al -SJ], it is the first ruling class in history dispensing with ideology .[5] It is generally represented by Big Brother. Inner Party members enjoy a quality of life that is much better than that of the Outer Party members and the proles. The telescreens in their homes can ostensibly be turned off indefinitely (although O'Brien tells Winston and Julia it is unwise to turn it off more than 30 minutes at a time). This revelation might, however, be a lie to Winston and Julia, in that conversations they had after O'Brien supposedly turned off his telescreen were later played back to them anyway. A more likely explanation is that Inner Party members do have the ability to turn off their telescreens, but O'Brien simply chose not to for the purpose of exposing Winston and Julia as dissidents.

    Inner Party members have access to spacious living quarters, personal servants, private motor vehicles (motor vehicles are very heavily restricted and not allowed to Outer Party or Proles), and high quality food, drink, and consumer goods, in contrast to the low quality gin, (mostly) synthetic coffee, and improperly manufactured cigarettes consumed by the Outer Party and the Proles. Inner Party members have access to wine, as well as real coffee, tea, sugar, milk, and well-made cigarettes. Inner Party neighbourhoods are kept clean and presentable, compared to Outer Party and Prole neighbourhoods."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Party
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #22 on: July 25, 2020, 11:17:11 AM »
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  • We all know that.
    Masks are good for me in healthcare on direct contact with actual sick patients
    Masks make no sense for someone out and about in public unless they are
    Infectious
    Or
    Caring for someone infectious

    That's it.

    Mandating masks for everyone is useless and stupid

    Imagine how a mask looks and feels to rape victims

    Imagine how old people who can't hear, with bad vision feel around someone with a mask

    And that's two reasons why it's bad
    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا


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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #23 on: July 25, 2020, 05:34:35 PM »
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  • … Br. Alexis Bugnolo …

    My first online encounter with Br. Alexis came almost twenty years ago, in the early years of Rorate Caeli, when it still permitted comments and was somewhat more tolerable than it has since become. He was then frequently a voice of reason, of informed reflection, of good humor. He could occasionally even get the self-important moderators (New Catholic and Jordanes) to listen to sense—no easy trick, that!

    I date the beginnings of his slide into crank-ism to ten years ago or so. I have seen little in the way of commentary associated with his name for at least five years, and I haven't felt the poorer for its absence. This video constitutes my first encounter with his face and voice. I regret to say that three minutes of it was all I could bear. The cackling laugh, full of a glee that seemed to be somewhere between sinister and demented, was deeply disturbing. He sounds as if he needs help—and in more forms than one.

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #24 on: July 27, 2020, 10:15:45 AM »
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  • Mask wearing hasn’t been a problem for me because I’ve gone out in public exactly five times since March 18.  All but one of those times I used “drive-thru” services.  The only place I wore a mask was where I often normally wear a mask, in a doctor’s office.  I leave the house nearly every day, but I’m living with two dogs and a few cats, the nearest human neighbor a good half mile away.  Right now, I’m reading Cathinfo and enjoying the chorus of crickets, cicadas, and frogs.  

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #25 on: July 27, 2020, 12:38:57 PM »
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  • We must obey lawful authority in everything but sin. Period. End of story
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #26 on: July 27, 2020, 01:41:03 PM »
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  • We must obey lawful authority in everything but sin. Period. End of story

    False:

    Not only do you fail to distinguish between secular and ecclesiastical authority, you also fail to distinguish between “legitimate authority” and “legitimate exercise of authority.”

    It is this latter consideration which determines when or whether the dictates of the secular authority may be resisted:

    “Thomas Aquinas's notion on law, tyranny and resistance served as a limitation on governmental powers. When those who bear the law command things which exceed the competence of such authority the subject is free to obey or disobey. The function of the law culminates in two maxims: quantum ad vim coactivam legis and quantum ad vim directivam. With regard to the former, the prince is above the law (legibus solutus). It implies the principle of Salus reipublicae suprema lex, which means that the safety of the state is the supreme law. According to this principle property, liberty and life (basic individual rights) are subordinate to or even sacrificed for the supposed public good... Thomas Aquinas says: "to [a tyrant] no obedience is owed".4 Thomas Aquinas. Commentum in Quatuor Libros Sententiarum. Liber Secundus. Dist. XLIV, Q. II, A. 2. (Translated by J.G. Dawson).

    http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1015-87582010000100009

    You will find the cited article regarding St. Thomas Aquinas’s doctrine on resisting the illegitimate exercise of authority enlightening.

    Now it should be evident, presuming you haven’t been indoctrinated by the media fear mongers, that all these COVID19 measures are in fact lawless and tyrannical, inasmuch as local and state officials “exceed their competence” when they obstruct and suspend our constitutional freedoms and protections, over which they can exercise no legitimate authority.

    In such cases, St. Thomas says authority need not (and sometimes must not) obey.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Mr G

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #27 on: July 27, 2020, 01:47:44 PM »
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  • We must obey lawful authority in everything but sin. Period. End of story
    Are you sure you mean "everything" or would you like to qualify that?

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #28 on: July 27, 2020, 02:30:03 PM »
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  • We must obey lawful authority in everything but sin. Period. End of story

    What most people mean by lawful authority is simply what Paul calls the powers that be. This seems to be your plain meaning, too, since you are doubly emphatic in concluding your statement. Yet you overlook the sorry fact that, here and now in the United States, a sizable fragment of all acts of obedience to the powers that be amount to participation in evil or at least tacit consent to it. Surely the times demand a more rigorous standard of conduct, especially from a Catholic with a developed moral sense and sufficient wit to deploy it. In short, someone such as you.

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #29 on: July 27, 2020, 07:04:34 PM »
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  • A friend sent me this notice from the front door of a Minnesota business:

    Well, it won’t copy/paste from my cell.

    Basically a sign that said there is a medical exemption to the mask mandate, and businesses are not permitted to inquire about the nature of the medical issue, so if this owner sees you in his store without a mask, he will presume you have an exempt condition (wink-wink).

    Meanwhile, I visited 6 businesses today, and didn’t wear a mask in any of them (I was in a pronounced minority though).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."