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Offline SeanJohnson

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SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
« on: July 24, 2020, 01:08:14 PM »
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  • Just received this email from IHM Chapel:

    “In accordance with the Executive Order 20-81 proclamation by Governor Tim Walz, face coverings are required when inside of the chapel.  Please don a face covering upon arrival, remove it to receive Holy Communion, and then don it until exiting the chapel.  

    Exceptions to this requirement are:

    • Father (speaker exemption)
    • Altar servers (speaker exemption)
    • Choir (singing exemption)
    • Those under 5 years of age
    • Those physically unable to wear a face covering”
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #1 on: July 24, 2020, 01:50:22 PM »
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  • Same rules in Ohio, except the age for children is under 10 and you can't just remove your mask when you step outside, if it's still crowded outside the doors.


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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #2 on: July 24, 2020, 02:08:20 PM »
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  • Just received this email from IHM Chapel:

    “In accordance with the Executive Order 20-81 proclamation by Governor Tim Walz, face coverings are required when inside of the chapel.  Please don a face covering upon arrival, remove it to receive Holy Communion, and then don it until exiting the chapel.  

    Exceptions to this requirement are:

    • Father (speaker exemption)
    • Altar servers (speaker exemption)
    • Choir (singing exemption)
    • Those under 5 years of age
    • Those physically unable to wear a face covering”

    Note that this last exemption is inaccurate.  The actual Executive Order does not limit exemptions to those who are "PHYSICALLY UNABLE to wear a mask," but rather:

    "8. Exempt individuals. The following individuals are exempt from face covering requirements of this Executive Order: a. Individuals with a medical condition, mental health condition, or disability that makes it unreasonable for the individual to maintain a face covering. This includes, but is not limited to, individuals who have a medical condition that compromises their ability to breathe, and individuals who are unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove a face covering without assistance. These individuals should consider using alternatives to face coverings, including clear face shields, and staying at home as much as possible."
    https://www.leg.state.mn.us/archive/execorders/20-81.pdf (See bottom of p.4)

    So, for example:

    1) My mother, who recently had a lung resection (i.e., portion of lung removed) for cancer.  No mask.

    2) My autistic son, who will not tolerate anything touching his face (i.e., mental disability).  No mask.

    3) More exemptions mentioned in the Order: "10(h). While communicating with an individual who is deaf or hard of hearing or has a disability, medical condition, or mental health condition that makes communication with that individual while wearing a face covering difficult, provided that social distancing is maintained to the extent possible between persons who are not members of the same household. (See bottom of p.6).  

    This would include my autistic son, and since we all need to be able to communicate with him to keep him calm during Mass, my whole family is exempt.

    4) "10(c).  When testifying, speaking, or performing in an indoor business or public indoor space, in situations or settings such as theaters, news conferences, legal proceedings, governmental meetings subject to the Open Meeting Law (Minnesota Statutes 2019, Chapter 13D), presentations, or lectures, provided that social distancing is always maintained.

    Now, ironically, since the SSPX has been promoting congregational singing and dialogue Masses, it would seem that, the whole congregation being a choir, the whole congregation is logically exempted from the mask requirement.

    Moreover:

    "15(c). Businesses may not require customers to provide proof of a medical condition mental health condition, or disability, or require customers to explain the nature of their conditions or disability." (See p.12)

    Finally:

    "15(e). Nothing in this Executive Order requires businesses or their workers to enforce this requirement when it is unsafe to do so, or authorizes them to restrain, assault or physically remove workers or customers who refuse to comply with this Executive Order."  (See p.12)

    PS: Since hypoxia and carbon dioxide toxicity in masked persons (at 5x the safe level!) occurs 100% of the time in standard cloth masks within 10 breaths, effectively, the entire state is medically exempted (according to the language of 10(h) above) from this mandate.
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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #3 on: July 24, 2020, 02:46:00 PM »
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  • I don't go around wearing masks except when I'm made to, but I don't buy that it's such a fatal thing. Doctors and dentists often have to wear them for long periods at times, surgeons sometimes even for hours. They don't all asphyxiate, believe it or not. 

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #4 on: July 24, 2020, 02:47:11 PM »
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  • If one does wear a mask, it might be a good time to reclaim this one:

    Huh, apparently I can't embed an image.  Guy Fawkes.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #5 on: July 24, 2020, 03:16:37 PM »
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  • If one does wear a mask, it might be a good time to reclaim this one:

    Huh, apparently I can't embed an image.  Guy Fawkes.
    LOL.
    Unfortunately, the order says that for those who have to wear a mask, it must cover the nose and mouth.
    What about people without heads?
    Should they just put a mask over their neck hole?
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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #6 on: July 24, 2020, 03:18:45 PM »
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  • What if I "identify" as a person with emphysema? 
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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #7 on: July 24, 2020, 04:19:34 PM »
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  • I received the same email and I was furious. However, I refuse to wear a mask anywhere and the going to mass is no exception. 


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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #8 on: July 24, 2020, 04:51:06 PM »
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  • just use the special needs exemption....

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #9 on: July 24, 2020, 04:57:00 PM »
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  • Posted by Steve Bashir:

    Per my wife, who cannot wear a mask and has spoken to an ADA attorney and constitutional attorney on these ever-increasing issues we are witnessing on film on our feeds.

    Here is the final say: 

    When you enter a store without a mask, and an employee states you must wear a mask, you MUST STATE  you have a medical or religious exemption from wearing a mask.

    Once you make this qualifying statement every clerk, sales associate, manager, team leader, cashier, anyone who is working at a store or shop is required by law to allow you to enter and shop hassle free.  

    It doesn’t matter what state , county, city.

    There is no “mask law.” 

    IF the employee CONTINUES the conversation in any way, YOU WALK AWAY.

    You then file a CIVIL CHARGE against the employee or employees who are forcing you to wear a mask after you have qualified your exemption.

    This really isn’t that difficult people.

    There are fines, prison sentences and serious consequences for clerks who make $8/hour impersonating PPE OSHA specialists, doctors and law enforcement officers.

    Because that is what the store clerk is doing: they are impersonating those experts.  They are also violating your HIPAA protections as well as your constitutional protections.

    When you leave the store don’t worry about names, the sheriff you go to to file civil charges with against the employee  will do the investigation for you.  They will find the name of the employee or employees and they will serve them.

    You can also get a lawyer.  If you have a disability, get a disability lawyer.  If you have a religious exemption you get a constitutional lawyer 

    There is no mask law.

    Businesses will never ever get shut down for not closing or not endorsing a mask suggestion.  It’s simply store policy and store policy does not trump constitutional or HIPAA protections.

    Stop caring what people think.  Stop being victims.

    There are judges waiting at the ready to side with you. Lawyers waiting to help you.  And despite these intimidating cops in the video, sheriffs that are ready to file civil charges against people impersonating them.

    Why is this hard to understand?

    Via JP Collins

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #10 on: July 24, 2020, 05:06:32 PM »
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  • There are fines, prison sentences and serious consequences for clerks who make $8/hour impersonating PPE OSHA specialists, doctors and law enforcement officers.

    Why is this hard to understand?
    Honestly, are we really going to get minimum wage employees fined thousands of dollars or fired from their jobs or thrown into prison for this? Ruin lives because they make you wear a mask? A mask doesn't hurt you. It is not a vaccine made with dead baby parts which may make you sick or sterilize you.
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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #11 on: July 24, 2020, 05:18:06 PM »
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  • Honestly, are we really going to get minimum wage employees fined thousands of dollars or fired from their jobs or thrown into prison for this? Ruin lives because they make you wear a mask? A mask doesn't hurt you. It is not a vaccine made with dead baby parts which may make you sick or sterilize you.

    Mask mandates and requirements are a social experiment designed to test compliance/resistance to both the forthcoming vaccine and the remaking of America into an overt socialist police state (along with the rest of the planet).

    They are preparing the terrain, and unless you want to see it all come to fruition, hell yeah, it needs to be resisted.

    But of course, sspxers have been good non-resisters who do whatever they are told for a decade now.  
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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #12 on: July 24, 2020, 06:35:17 PM »
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  • I don't go around wearing masks except when I'm made to, but I don't buy that it's such a fatal thing. Doctors and dentists often have to wear them for long periods at times, surgeons sometimes even for hours. They don't all asphyxiate, believe it or not.
    You don’t buy that it’s such a fatal thing? Really? Don’t you realize this is about CONTROL and NOT about health?.

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #13 on: July 24, 2020, 06:37:28 PM »
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  • Mask mandates and requirements are a social experiment designed to test compliance/resistance to both the forthcoming vaccine and the remaking of America into an overt socialist police state (along with the rest of the planet).

    They are preparing the terrain, and unless you want to see it all come to fruition, hell yeah, it needs to be resisted.

    But of course, sspxers have been good non-resisters who do whatever they are told for a decade now.  
    Agree, Sean. People don’t realize or they just don’t care that this is a psyop. Sure, it’s not a vaccine like that guy says BUT there is absolutely NO need for a mask! 

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    Re: SSPX Facemask Order in Minnesota
    « Reply #14 on: July 24, 2020, 06:48:30 PM »
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  • Posted by Steve Bashir:

    Per my wife, who cannot wear a mask and has spoken to an ADA attorney and constitutional attorney on these ever-increasing issues we are witnessing on film on our feeds.

    Here is the final say:

    When you enter a store without a mask, and an employee states you must wear a mask, you MUST STATE  you have a medical or religious exemption from wearing a mask.

    Once you make this qualifying statement every clerk, sales associate, manager, team leader, cashier, anyone who is working at a store or shop is required by law to allow you to enter and shop hassle free.  

    It doesn’t matter what state , county, city.

    There is no “mask law.”

    IF the employee CONTINUES the conversation in any way, YOU WALK AWAY.

    You then file a CIVIL CHARGE against the employee or employees who are forcing you to wear a mask after you have qualified your exemption.

    This really isn’t that difficult people.

    There are fines, prison sentences and serious consequences for clerks who make $8/hour impersonating PPE OSHA specialists, doctors and law enforcement officers.

    Because that is what the store clerk is doing: they are impersonating those experts.  They are also violating your HIPAA protections as well as your constitutional protections.

    When you leave the store don’t worry about names, the sheriff you go to to file civil charges with against the employee  will do the investigation for you.  They will find the name of the employee or employees and they will serve them.

    You can also get a lawyer.  If you have a disability, get a disability lawyer.  If you have a religious exemption you get a constitutional lawyer

    There is no mask law.

    Businesses will never ever get shut down for not closing or not endorsing a mask suggestion.  It’s simply store policy and store policy does not trump constitutional or HIPAA protections.

    Stop caring what people think.  Stop being victims.

    There are judges waiting at the ready to side with you. Lawyers waiting to help you.  And despite these intimidating cops in the video, sheriffs that are ready to file civil charges against people impersonating them.

    Why is this hard to understand?

    Via JP Collins
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    This whole post was very interesting, but I am especially curious to know if the person who wrote this (since it seems to be a quote from someone else) has actually done any of what is described here and can confirm in practice that it works.