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Author Topic: Describe Your Catholic Identity  (Read 3164 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Describe Your Catholic Identity
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2019, 03:27:39 PM »
My issue is the part where canonical regularity is actually denounced rather than pursued given specific criteria.  It seems like the Resistance doesn't even want to *dialogue* with Rome.

That's because the Resistance does not consider the Vatican to be Catholic in the final analysis.  There can be no agreement unless Rome first converts.  Now, if someone could explain to me how these non-Catholics in need of conversion are still somehow the legitimate Catholic hierarchy ... except in the most rudimentary material way, then you get a prize.  That's why Father Chazal ultimately articulated a position that's a hair's breadth from sedeprivationism.  That's really what this is if they put their minds to it ... these men materially possess the offices but have lost any formal authority due to not being Catholic.  That is what Father Chazal of the Resistance holds.

Re: Describe Your Catholic Identity
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2019, 04:00:13 PM »
That's because the Resistance does not consider the Vatican to be Catholic in the final analysis.  There can be no agreement unless Rome first converts.  Now, if someone could explain to me how these non-Catholics in need of conversion are still somehow the legitimate Catholic hierarchy ... except in the most rudimentary material way, then you get a prize.  That's why Father Chazal ultimately articulated a position that's a hair's breadth from sedeprivationism.  That's really what this is if they put their minds to it ... these men materially possess the offices but have lost any formal authority due to not being Catholic.  That is what Father Chazal of the Resistance holds.
I mean Bishop Williamson often refers to it as the "New Religion". How can the hierarchy hold two religions at once? Who knows. 

I respect all of the Trad Bishops but I think despite their vast knowledge on all things Catholic, they're still nearly just as confused and unsure as the rest of us. Even +ABL tended to flip-flop a bit out of uncertainty.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Describe Your Catholic Identity
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2019, 05:14:19 AM »
My issue is the part where canonical regularity is actually denounced rather than pursued given specific criteria.  It seems like the Resistance doesn't even want to *dialogue* with Rome.
It goes back to canonical regularity meaning the compromising of the faith, which the resistance is resolved not to do, but is apparent that the SSPX is willing to do. It boils down to being canonically regular with error, which is what dialoguing leads to, vs remaining canonically irregular unless Rome converts.

You have to accept the fact that to the Modernists, tradition is a deadly poison that they only tolerate to a point, but ultimately,  the only thing they really want to do with all things tradition, is to purge it out completely, that is Rome's end reason to dialogue at all. That's what Modernists do, Modernists absolutely hate tradition.

Rome dialogues with Islams, Hindus, Prots, Jews, queers and all manner of pagans, because they all have error in common, so they dialogue (sit around and get along), that's what dialoguing is. This is why the resistance denounces it.

OTOH, if Rome were to say "SSPX, please help us return the whole Church to the true faith," then the SSPX should and would actually have a very good reason to speak with them. As it is, all Rome says is "Let's talk this thing over, let's dialogue," and they say this in an effort to show the SSPX the error of their ways, so as to suck them into their newchurch.