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Title: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 06:58:30 AM
Saturday, 2 November 2019
The SSPX expands the use of NFP?

http://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-sspx-expands-use-of-nfp.html?m=1 (http://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-sspx-expands-use-of-nfp.html?m=1)

To its credit the SSPX has always made clear its opposition to the misuse of 'Natural Family Planning'. There have been a number of well written articles by priests themselves along with reprints from the excellent SI SI-NO NO magazine some of which can be accessed here (https://traditionalcatholicresistance.blogspot.com/) under The Catholic Family heading.


Whilst I have always thought that an enormous amount of weight seems to have been given to one single letter to the Italian Midwives from the last orthodox pope, I completely accept that there are cases when (in union with a competent spiritual director) NFP may be used.





Click here to hear the full talk including Fr Couture's large family example. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WCrUSV2ApI)
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However, it goes without saying that the SSPX (and occasional Ecclesia Dei priests) were always fighting against the conservative tide, particularly considering that many of the their potential lay recruits come from 'pro-life' organisations who push NFP like a religion in itself. But up until recently it appeared that they were unwilling to join the crowd on the issue.

The video above is from a recent Fatima Center Youth Conference Q&A session. Fr Daniel Couture (District Superior of Canada) is asked to differentiate between artificial contraception and NFP. He answers well to a mixed congregation of well meaning Novus Ordo-ites and Traditionalists, but then decides to adapt Pope Pius XII 's stipulation's regarding NFP to his own interpretation for today.  Obviously as a priest that is what he would have to do in a practical manner in the confessional in any case. But whilst his first case regarding China is theologically arguable, I am at a loss to understand his example of home schooling mothers at all.

Let me state that I have nothing but admiration for those mothers who choose to home educate. On a natural level it is a somewhat thankless task. Women who work for various Catholic moral causes in the social sphere attain the plaudits of one's contemporaries, whilst the constant sacrifices of the home-schooling mother are often witnessed by God alone and sadly are as likely to receive condemnation by their fellow laity as by worldlings.  

So what is the answer to these efforts by the Fr Couture's SSPX? Why, have less children of course! In all my years supporting the SSPX I have rarely come across families who actually live the faith as much as those who home educate. I am certainly not saying they are better or more pious, but the practical decision to home educate means that the souls of their children are not in the hands of secular ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tolerating school teachers but are their responsibility and that obviously has ramifications for the way these people live their lives.

As regulations begin to tie Catholic schools in knots, including the SSPX, one would have thought that rather than spending the millions from the Jaidhof Foundation on Shrek castle style Cathedrals they should invest in high level home schooling courses run online. This would cost a fraction of the hundreds of thousands needed to hire teachers (even on the shoe-string wages they pay them). Perhaps they may not produce the bankers and lawyers etc that the SSPX esteem so much, but they may produce priests and possibly saints.

The bizarre example by Fr Couture is made even more so by the fact that the external situations he uses are in many ways solvable by the SSPX itself! If he is so concerned about the plight of the home schooling mother then why not encourage older mothers from the pulpit whose children have now grown and fled the nest to spend some of their spare time in assisting such mothers? Whilst it could involve imparting their knowledge to the children, it could just be as simple as minding the children for an afternoon each week or helping out with chores or lifts. What a help that would be to many a mother and how much would God bless such a person for giving their time in such a way!

Incredibly, after Fr Issac Mary puts forth a more old-school SSPX response, Fr Couture returns to his subject with examples of a massive drop off in practice amongst large families and puts the blame on the father's selfishness and excessive workload. I do not doubt the truth of this, but how does one jump from that problem to limiting birth? Surely if the SSPX sees a crisis in large families through fathers working hours, the answer is to reexamine how they judge success. If thrift was seen as a virtue rather than something to be pitied, if economics were taught in a serious manner during marriage courses, if ones income did not mean more attention from priests, if husbands were regularly catechised on treating their wives with love and, just as importantly time, then perhaps the problem would be solved without recourse to Fr Couture's solution. How is the problem the amount of children as opposed to external factors which are within our power to change? This is what differentiates his home-schooling family example and his one regarding China!

Now we come to the crux of the matter; Whilst I do not doubt that Fr Couture speaks from experience regarding some home-schooling mothers who have difficult lives, I do not understand how his example differs from a traditional catholic woman who, through either materialism or financial necessity, works outside the home. If a woman has five children, works full time, then has to pick up children from school, come home and cook dinner etc etc how can that woman not justify her own situation as needing 'a rest' from more babies according to Fr Couture's modern interpretation of neccesity?

We should never forget how 'hard-case scenarios' make bad laws. One has only to see how the Conciliar Church used the Vigil Mass to justify the Saturday evening Mass now so common. Fr Couture's example seems a dangerous precedent to set. Whilst I have little doubt that Fr has the good of his laity in mind, I worry that this line of reasoning is now commonplace and one hopes that the Society does not eventually begin to toe the conservative line and treat NFP as a trivial matter or worse, as a virtue rather than something tolerated as a necessary evil for a given period of time.[/size][/font][/size][/font]
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 07:06:39 AM
Ps: Fr. Couture’s comments begin at 41:45 of the video linked above.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 08:09:44 AM
I too am uncomfortable with Fr. Couture's comments.

After discussing the "health of the mother" justification for NFP by Pius XII, he abruptly slips into a discussion of homeschool mothers, and the stresses of that life.

Is he saying parental stress is justification for NFP?

He certainly seems to be saying exactly that.

Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SoldierofCtK on November 02, 2019, 01:44:41 PM
Fr. Couture seems to "double-down" on his lukewarm response with a "nuanced" addition to his original answer, around 55:00. He has the nerve to bring +ABL into the nonsense, as well...
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 02:07:14 PM
Fr. Couture seems to "double-down" on his lukewarm response with a "nuanced" addition to his original answer, around 55:00. He has the nerve to bring +ABL into the nonsense, as well...

I did not know there was more, and having heard it, there is no doubt about Fr. Couture’s message:

1) Large families are bad; they cause children to lose the faith

2) Because mothers cannot school them properly

3) So because we are not as strong as previous generations (speak for yourself!), we need to have smaller families

4) And the children need to be sent to SSPX schools.

Wow.

Very disappointed to hear this kind of talk.

It contrasts sharply with Archbishop Lefebvre saying the large families of tradition are the glory of the Catholic Church.

I’ll see if I can find it.

This would probably have made the CCCC thread/book.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SoldierofCtK on November 02, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
5. It's the father's fault, because he works too much.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 02:31:06 PM
5. It's the father's fault, because he works too much.

Good catch.

He makes it sound as though only the women carry the cross in a large family.
Is not a father just as likely to suffer a nervous breakdown as the mother?

But what percent of trad parents wig out like Fr. Couture relates?  0.05%?  I have yet to meet a trad homeschooling mom who suffered a nervous breakdown.

These priests, under the pretext of compassion, are stealing the woman’s crowning glory.

And is it really true that because the people are weaker constitutionally/psychologically than previous generations, the bar for childbearing must be lowered?  Or is it that because the priests are weaker than their predecessors, they keep lowering the bar and weakening us?  The reforms under Pius XII (fasting/abstinence modifications, turkey indults, etc), and then the further relaxation of discipline at and after Vatican II suggest the latter.

The author of the Imitation says, “Had there been an easier way, we might have taken it.”  

But he was not suggesting shirking the essence of the married vocation.

Our priests are getting softer, and they are softening us.

The large Catholic family is the norm, and anyone who says otherwise is antichrist.

As regards SSPX schools, yes, Catholic schools are the norm.  But amidst all the compromises of the SSPX, I began to fear personal negligence in giving a group with ideas so opposed to my own (and Lefebvre’s) so much influence and time with my children.

This is NOT the same old SSPX.  This is the SSPX of “prudent” NFP, books supporting young earth theory, denial of the historicity of scripture, defending the new communion ecclesiology, and all the rest.

If Fr. Couture wants to appeal to the stress of the mother, and use that as a lever against the father against his decision to homeschool, then perhaps the SSPX priests need to take a look in the mirror, rather that at the father, and consider why fathers are not allowing their children to attend their schools.

Which is all another way of saying that it is the priests fault the mothers are burning out, if their schools aren’t catholic enough to win the trust of the fathers.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Ladislaus on November 02, 2019, 03:34:35 PM
5. It's the father's fault, because he works too much.

Yes, this is total feminist crap.  Often fathers have no choice but to work long hours to support their family.  Padre Pio's father left the family and worked in America for long periods of time.  Fathers have the primarily responsibility to provide for the family, while the upbringing of the children is primarily the mother's responsibility (under guidance of the father).
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: forlorn on November 02, 2019, 03:57:51 PM
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books supporting young earth theory

What's wrong with this? Most, if not all, Catholics believed in a "young Earth" until the 19th or 20th century.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 04:02:09 PM
Fr. Couture: “Hello Your Superholiness, this is Fr. Couture.”

Francis: “Ah yes, Mr. Couture, how are you?”

Fr. Couture: “Holiness, you know how you hate Catholics to ‘breed like rabbits?’  Well, I have found a great angle to promote a more ecologically friendly Catholicism amongst tears (the worst offenders of overpopulation):  [repeat all that has been said above].”

Francis: “Very good, Mr. Couture.  But talk is cheap.  If you want to demonstrate the SSPX’s integral conciliarism, we must see measurable decline in family size.”

Fr. Couture: “But holiness...”

Francis: “Please, call me Jorge.”

Fr. Couture: “Ok, Jorge, isn’t it enough that we are changing Mass postures and increasing the number of dialogue Masses; that we are ecuмenical/tradcuмenical; that we accept Vatican II as part of tradition; etc?  Look, this Sean Johnson guy filled 400 pages with all the changes we have made!”

Francis: “Thats all a very good start, Mr. Couture, but we both know you have not arrived at the final phase of your conversion: Thus far you have tried to hide these changes from your people.  This implies that they will not yet accept these changes, had they perceived them.  You recall Fr. Cottier’s observation regarding Campos?  He said, ‘What is important is that there no longer be Resistance in their hearts.’  Bishop Riga’s demonstrates that lack of resistance when he repeatedly concelebrated the new Mass.”

Fr. Couture: But holiness, et, Jorge, we need a deal before we die outside the Church!

Francis: (Smiling menacingly) “Then I think you know what you have to do.”

Fr. Couture: “Yes, Jorge.  I know what we have to do.” 
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 02, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
What's wrong with this? Most, if not all, Catholics believed in a "young Earth" until the 19th or 20th century.

Yikes!!!!

That is a major blooper:

I meant to say “books promoting OLD EARTH THEORY.”

I believe the biblical account of a 7,000 year-old earth.

Thank you for catching that!!!!!    
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: ByzCat3000 on November 02, 2019, 05:54:09 PM
To be clear, I'm not asking the people who think NFP is not allowable, for *any* reason.  I get that opinion, and this question is irrelevant for them.

This question is specifically for those who think NFP is sometimes allowable.

Is it your contention that stress is *never* a valid reason to use NFP?  Or just that its an overused reason?
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: tdrev123 on November 02, 2019, 06:07:56 PM
To be clear, I'm not asking the people who think NFP is not allowable, for *any* reason.  I get that opinion, and this question is irrelevant for them.

This question is specifically for those who think NFP is sometimes allowable.

Is it your contention that stress is *never* a valid reason to use NFP?  Or just that its an overused reason?
Is stress a "grave reason"?
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Ladislaus on November 02, 2019, 06:43:46 PM
This is a great example of the damage done by Pius XII in opening the door to NFP, how "grave reason" can be very slippery and can slide into "serious inconvenience".
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Last Tradhican on November 02, 2019, 07:15:15 PM
This is a great example of the damage done by Pius XII in opening the door to NFP, how "grave reason" can be very slippery and can slide into "serious inconvenience".
NFP is just part of the punishment of Vatican II, the punishment is upon the lukewarm, God is vomiting them out. The cold use contraceptives and live it up in this world without a thought of God. The lukewarm are hypocrites playing games with their heads and God, wanting religion their way,  God gave them Vatican II, "the operation of error, to believe lying". Vatican II has no effect on the hot, for they fear God.

(https://biblehub.com/catholic/2_thessalonians/2-10.htm)And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish: because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth but have consented to iniquity.( 2Thes2 10-11)

Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: ByzCat3000 on November 03, 2019, 12:35:14 AM
Is stress a "grave reason"?
Sufficent levels of stress theoretically could be.  It would probably have to be more than sheer inconvenience though.  Probably something more like threat of a nervous breakdown, or things like that.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: cosmas on November 03, 2019, 06:42:28 AM
Slippery Slope to Catholic Contraception !
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Ladislaus on November 03, 2019, 06:57:34 AM
Sufficent levels of stress theoretically could be.

So this is entirely subjective, or are there objective criteria?

If having more children does in fact pose a serious issue, then abstinence is a possibility.  People act as if having sɛҳuąƖ intercourse is some inalienable God-given right.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 03, 2019, 07:17:26 AM
Someone sent me this interesting email:

 
“Hi Sean:
 
I took part in a pretty discouraging discussion several years ago with maybe a dozen alumnae from my SSPX-affiliated school. I was nearly alone of those who took part who knew the “old” rules: 1) with the guidance of the priest 2) for *grave* reasons, aka life or death and 3) for no more than 2 years. 
 
Nearly all of the girls who took part, especially the younger ones,  had been taught by SSPX priests in a variety of parishes that as long as the spouses agree, NFP could be used for reasons of health, spacing and finances. But this was quite vague. Let’s just say the *grave reason* had been ratcheted all the way down to serious or even moderate inconvenience. Some were even encouraged to space 2-3 years just because. They said they were encouraged not to have them too closely so they could have the time and finances to dedicate to each child. (Is this not the definition of worldly “prudence” and worldly reasons for contraception??) But they did not recognize it as such. And they’ve been taught all their lives to listen to SSPX priests. So that’s what they are doing and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. They even seemed happy to accept more relaxed guidelines as being more enlightened. One family said they’ve had lively conversations between the parents, who had been taught the old rules, and themselves who were now marrying and being taught much more relaxed guidelines. There was a consensus of a shift from older priests and generations to younger priests and generations. Not only younger priests, but European priests as well, seem to be teaching the more relaxed ways. Americans tend to be more Puritanistic therefore too rigid with the rules was the rationalization.
 
I can’t even tell you some of the reasons that some of the girls gave as examples because I couldn’t bear the ridicule they would get, even if it’s anonymous. They’ve been led to believe it’s all good. And even noble! To abstain for the good of their children who are already living! Such a sacrifice! After all, having too many children puts their children’s souls at risk if they can’t be raised properly.
 
They make it sound good, but when you brush away the surface arguments, the principle at the root is rotten. And deeply materialistic. The idea of relying Divine Providence was not outright dismissed but was seen as borderline dangerous because it’s not prudent. That Providence stuff gets overdone by people who are too zealous. Those people ruin their children. So we have to do both, rely on Providence but also be prudent (as if they are at odds!) And we live in a different time, the demands of society etc.. etc… All the rationalizations were front and center. I wish I were exaggerating. It was a little heartbreaking.
 
Before this discussion, I had had another discussion with someone from St Mary’s who had been told they could practice NFP for reasons of their own as long as she and her husband were in agreement. There was no need to consult a priest. I clarified with her because I thought maybe I misheard her. Then I distinctly remember thinking maybe she misunderstood the priest. I thought that to myself as a way of giving her the benefit of the doubt since I knew their reason for NFP at the time and it was far from life or death. It was about 3 years later that this discussion with the alumnae opened my eyes and I realized this is systemic and the first lady had not been mistaken at all. Her priest had really taught her that.
 
The NFP rot is there. We can’t see it fully because who goes around discussing this topic with random parishioners to ask what their priests are telling them?! But the few times I have had the discussion, I’ve seen it. And it seems fully sanctioned. The only reason I am able to see it is because I have known people who were NO and who spaced using NFP for all those same reasons. When they became traditional many years ago, NFP (as a rule) went out the window and so did all the thinly-veiled worldly reasons for it. They were encouraged to fling themselves entirely upon the mercy of Divine Providence. So when I see these girls now taking a step back to the NO attitudes, I fully recognize it for what it is. All the Catholic spin and vocabulary in the world doesn’t change the underlying idea: It’s much classier not to have too many children.  
 
Few people are being taught to be fools for Christ anymore. If we are weaker than previous generations it is only because we want to be. Can you imagine the large families of old having a quarter of the comfort, convenience, medical care and goods that we have? How happy they would be? But somehow we use it all as an excuse to have smaller families. It’s amazing.  
 
Hope you are all well!”
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: ByzCat3000 on November 03, 2019, 09:30:58 AM
So this is entirely subjective, or are there objective criteria?

If having more children does in fact pose a serious issue, then abstinence is a possibility.  People act as if having sɛҳuąƖ intercourse is some inalienable God-given right.
That’s a good question.  It just seems silly to categorically reject stress as a reason, if reasons exist.  Nervous breakdowns can be a thing.  Now could that be abused?  Oh yes.

Isn’t NFP in essence timed abstinence though?  I don’t see why, assuming such circuмstances existed, you’d be obliged to abstain during less fertile periods.  Obviously artificial contraception is always grave matter.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Last Tradhican on November 03, 2019, 09:38:23 AM
Someone sent me this interesting email:

 
“Hi Sean:
 
I took part in a pretty discouraging discussion several years ago with maybe a dozen alumnae from my SSPX-affiliated school. I was nearly alone of those who took part who knew the “old” rules: 1) with the guidance of the priest 2) for *grave* reasons, aka life or death and 3) for no more than 2 years.
 
Nearly all of the girls who took part, especially the younger ones,  had been taught by SSPX priests in a variety of parishes that as long as the spouses agree, NFP could be used for reasons of health, spacing and finances. But this was quite vague. 
Vatican II punishment upon the lukewarm extends to any lukewarm Catholic whether SSPX, Sede, Independent, or Novus ordo indult
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SusanneT on November 03, 2019, 06:07:06 PM
So this is entirely subjective, or are there objective criteria?

If having more children does in fact pose a serious issue, then abstinence is a possibility.  People act as if having sɛҳuąƖ intercourse is some inalienable God-given right.
So well said.  Please traditionalist men, do not accept the feminist perversion which is birth control.  
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: tdrev123 on November 03, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
http://archives.sspx.org/against_sound_bites/rhythm_unhappy_compromise.htm

This is the 2003 SSPX.  NFP is destroyed in theory and logic by a priest who believes in NFP.  
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Ladislaus on November 03, 2019, 07:51:10 PM
Isn’t NFP in essence timed abstinence though?

No, it's not the same thing, not formally, since it entails attempting to enjoy the secondary ends of marital relations while excluding the primary ... that sinful subordination of the primary end to the secondary ends condemned by Pius XI.  This is why various forces at Vatican II attempted to elevate the secondary ends to co-primary ends.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 03, 2019, 07:54:05 PM
Lefebvre condemns Fr. Couture/neoSSPX (wish I would have put this in my book):

“Cast away, I beg of you, anything which impedes children from entering your family. There is no greater gift that the Good God can bestow upon your hearths than to have many children. Have big families. it is the glory of the Catholic Church—the large family! It has been so in Canada, it has been so in Holland, it has been so in Switzerland and it has been so in France—everywhere the large family was the joy and prosperity of the Church. There are that many more chosen souls for heaven! Therefore do not limit, I beg you, the gifts of God; do not listen to these abominable slogans which destroy the family, which ruin health, which ruin the household, and provoke divorce.“
https://sspx.org/en/marriage-from-writings-of-archbishop-lefebvre (https://sspx.org/en/marriage-from-writings-of-archbishop-lefebvre)

Guess Fr. Couture and the neoSSPX NFP brigade considered Lefebvre imprudent?

Ps: In just the couple months since my book was published, we have seen the SSPX promoting NFP, having indult priests saying Mass in their African chapels, and a diocesan priest notorious for his group porn addiction therapy sessions and theology of the body, who believes we should invite the Lord to view our impure thoughts with us, be invited to advise SSPX faithful.

Anyone know how to post a kamikaze GIF?
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 04, 2019, 07:09:41 AM
Nor should one think that the opinions of Fr. Couture are isolated, and unreflective of the “esprit d’corps” of the neoSSPX:

-There was the story several years ago (in the “Letter of 37 Priests of the French District?”) which references a conference or retreat attended by Bishop Fellay, in which the retreat master opined that in the modern world it was no longer practical to have more than 5-6 children;

-There was the opinion of Fr. LeRoux to the same effect (and of course he is inculcating his priests with this same “prudential” attitude);

-I have also had direct conversations with two priests on the subject, and both opined that stress of the mother satisfied Pius XII’s “health of the mother” criteria.

-The emailed anecdote I posted above, in which young SSPX women practice NFP commonly as a matter of “prudence.”

Personally, I am prepared to accept that a nervous breakdown definitely affects the health of either parent in a major way, but also fear a dispensation will routinely be given (abuse) where all that was needed was a pep talk.

Of greater concern is the rationale Fr. Couture and the SSPX uses (ie.  We are weaker than before; society has changed; etc) which would seem to displace the large family as the norm, and supplant it with the small family as the “prudential” decision (and for the same worldly reasons Protestants and atheists used to use against Catholics, like being better able to love and educate them):

These reasons for allowing NFP are general, not exceptional, and consequently, a justification made on these reasons will become likewise generally applicable and widespread within the SSPX (as in fact it is!).

How foreign to the thinking of Lefebvre and the Church!
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Ladislaus on November 04, 2019, 08:14:51 AM
Pius XII opened the door to this Catholic birth control with his ill-considered speculation in his speech to the midwives.  As the article to which you linked stated, it would be ONE thing if under some very specific circuмstances, a confessor might allow/tolerate this practice for a specific penitent, and quite another to publicly declare it as licit.  From there it was just a matter of time before it became widespread.

Pius XII caused great scandal by stating that this practice could be justified by "eugenic" considerations.  In so doing, he adopted the very language of the most ardent proponents of Abortion and Birth Control.  Margaret Sanger, the ultimate originator of Planned Parenthood, was one of the pioneer "eugenicists".  Eugenio should have thought better than to use the term eugenics.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 04, 2019, 08:38:24 AM
Pius XII opened the door to this Catholic birth control with his ill-considered speculation in his speech to the midwives.  As the article to which you linked stated, it would be ONE thing if under some very specific circuмstances, a confessor might allow/tolerate this practice for a specific penitent, and quite another to publicly declare it as licit.  From there it was just a matter of time before it became widespread.

Pius XII caused great scandal by stating that this practice could be justified by "eugenic" considerations.  In so doing, he adopted the very language of the most ardent proponents of Abortion and Birth Control.  Margaret Sanger, the ultimate originator of Planned Parenthood, was one of the pioneer "eugenicists".  Eugenio should have thought better than to use the term eugenics.

I agree that the reference to eugenics is a bit unsettling (particularly as the parent of a profoundly autistic child):

Is Pius XII suggesting that the world (and parents/families) and Heaven are better off without such persons?  That the greater care they require outweighs their right to life?  That if you risk bearing such children, it is better to abstain?

I will tell you this: For all my rough edges and imperfections, my son has made me a much more compassionate and considerate person than I was before he was born (believe it or not), and his very presence and dependence is a constant opportunity to exercise charity.  He is a great gift from God as a means to sanctification for the rest of us.

But Pius XII seems to represent a pre-conciliar shift in moral theology (which would become dominant at and after the Council), which shifted from “sanctity of life” to “quality of life.”

You see this shift particularly present regarding medical end of life issues, NFP, and abortion rhetoric.

Now the SSPX seems also to have become infected with a preoccupation with “quality of life” considerations (not yet in end of life or abortion issues, but definitely in NFP).

It had never occurred to me that Pius XII’s address to midwives gave the yellow light to the “quality of life” moral theology, but I clearly see it now.

This is the kind of thing which should never have been broadcast publicly, as it would certainly be taken as a general principle (and in former times would have been written in Latin only in theology manuals).

But for the reason stated above (ie., eugenic justifications), there is something at fault in the principles here, and not just the imprudence of having given such a public address.
Title: Re: SSPX Expanding NFP?
Post by: Pax Vobis on November 04, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
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In so doing, he adopted the very language of the most ardent proponents of Abortion and Birth Control.  
Right, just like he erroneously used the word "evolution" when allowing catholic science to investigate scientific "discoveries".  Words definitely have meaning and the devil's evil forces love to use words to affect public opinion.  For example:
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- Evil replaces "contra-ception" (literally "against conception") with the less harsh "birth control" or the sentimental "family planning".
- Evil replaces "pro life" with "anti-abortion".
- Evil replaces "fornication" with "love life".
- Evil replaces "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity" with "same sex marriage".
- Evil replaces "pro-marriage" with "anti-gαy".
- Evil replaces "patriotic nationalist" with "global isolationist".
- Evil replaces "2nd amendment supporter" with "gun nut"
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- Anytime a liberal wants to do something, they are "for" something good.  While those who oppose evil are "against" something.  This is simple psychology.  Most people are turned off by negativity, so they subconsciously see an "against" stance as bad.
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Anyone that uses the term "NFP" is using a liberal, evil phrase.  We should call it what it is - "catholic birth control".  People need to wake up.