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Here is part 1 of the reply from Sean to Todd Konkel:

Evolution and the SSPX (Part I): 
by
Sean Johnson
4/14/18
 
“In the year, from the creation of the world, when in the beginning God created heaven and earth, five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine; from the flood, two thousand nine hundred and fifty-seven; from the birth of Abraham, two thousand and fifteen; from Moses and the coming of the Israelites out of Egypt, one thousand five hundred and ten; from the anointing of King David, one thousand and thirty-two; in the sixty-fifth week, according to the prophecy of Daniel; in the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad; in the year seven hundred and fifty-two from the founding of the city of Rome; in the forth-second year of the empire of Octavian Augustus, when the whole world was at peace, in the sixth age of the world, Jesus Christ, eternal God, and Son of the eternal Father, desirous to sanctify the world by His most merciful coming, having been conceived of the Holy Ghost, and nine months having elapsed since His conception, is born in Bethlehem in Juda, having become man of the Virgin Mary.”
Martyrologium Romanum (reading for the 25th day of December)
 
 
Things are getting wild in the SSPX.

In late March, St. Mary’s College professor, Mr. Andrew Senior (son of the late, great author and professor, John Senior) went public to rebut the accordist writings of Fr. Paul Robinson, by submitting a strong objection to The Remnant (a rebuttal which also more or less accused the SSPX US District Superior Fr. Jurgen Wegner of lying about being surprised by Rome’s having taken steps to “remove all doubt” about the validity of SSPX marriages), which Mr. Senior flatly says he believes was all pre-arranged.

We quite agree, since we had previously been told by another Society priest that Fr. Angles had been in Rome for some time, working with the Romans to find the right “solution” (i.e., face-saving compromise) to the “problem” of SSPX marriages.

More recently, another St. Mary’s College professor (Mr. Todd Konkel) has gone public in an attempt to come to the rescue of Fr. Robinson’s new book on the Cathinfo forum; an attempt which ended not only in Mr. Konkel’s defense of the “old earth” theory against the most common traditional and patristic interpretations of the Creation account in Genesis (and which also contradicts the idea of sentire cuм ecclesia -“thinking with the Church”- as evinced by the quoted selection above contained in the Roman martyrology, which itself constitutes part of the liturgical office of Prime), but which ultimately ended in a defense of….evolution.
On the one hand, we admire the candor and courage of Mr. Konkel: He says plainly what he thinks, and was willing to enter into hostile territory (i.e., Cathinfo) in order to do it, knowing the opposition he would encounter. 
We wish there was more of that courage and candor in Tradition!

Yet, having an open and public evolutionist teaching philosophy at an ostensibly traditional Catholic college, and therefore being placed in a position of formative influence over those minds which will one day form traditional Catholic families and shape Catholic attitudes in the future, and who presumably chose to attend St. Mary’s College in the hopes of receiving a good education, protected from the vileness of the secular and conciliar universities, seems somehow dangerous and incongruent.

In fairness to Mr. Konkel, he has yet to define what kind of evolution he is endorsing (despite a request from Cathinfo’s “Mr. G” to do so): Micro, macro, or some other variant.  Perhaps he will walk through the escape hatch I have just opened for him, and all will be well.  Or perhaps this a debate tactic, which will allow him the final opportunity to distinguish and counter, so he holds his peace.  Or perhaps he is simply unaware of the request to clarify.   But in the absence of that clarification, we will make the presumption that Mr. Konkel promotes evolution as that term is commonly understood by most people (“macro evolution”), and we shall be most relieved if he should later disclaim it:

That over billions of years, life evolved from single-cell species into higher and more diverse, distinct species, eventually culminating in man.

And though Mr. Konkel has stated he does not teach evolution in his classes, that no longer matters:
He came out publicly, and his vigorous endorsement and promotion of  evolution is now inextricably attached to his status as a professor at an SSPX college.  His continued presence there is a sign of continuing revolution and evolution within the SSPX.
If Mr. Konkel should never breath one word of evolution on campus, he will nevertheless remain a symbol of the SSPX’s new openness (another parallel to the crisis in the conciliar church!).

In truth, I wish no ill consequence to Mr. Konkel.  I hope he believes that.  I already stated he has some admirable, virile qualities.  Likely as not, he has a family depending on him, bills, and all the responsibilities and stresses of the rest of us.   But it was Mr. Konkel who freely chose to come out in public and make his position known.  I did not force him to do that.  Presumably, he considered all the possible consequences beforehand, and after mature reflection, decided defending evolution was more important than all those other concerns.

Or, he knows he has nothing to worry about from the SSPX (which has said nothing in response to his promotion of evolution at the time of this article), and my concerns for his welfare are misplaced and unnecessary.

In any case, the welfare of the students (and faithful) needs to be considered, and that is the highest consideration.
As regards the SSPX, they must consider what message they are sending by maintaining a public evolutionist on staff.  Perhaps they are sending precisely the message (especially to Rome) they want to send: The old “ignorant” SSPX is gone. 
Incidentally, this distinction between the “paleo-SSPX” and the “neo-SSPX” is no longer a distinction used exclusively by Resistance bloggers.  Rather, the same distinction was recently made by Mr. Nicolas Lessard (i.e., the groom in the recent Canadian marriage debacle, in his comments to The Remnant):

“This next generation is free from the bitterness and resentment that it’s predecessors are carrying.” here
The neo-SSPX has contempt for (and is embarrassed by) the old SSPX.

But that these new attitudes and perspectives are indeed novel within Tradition is beyond dispute, and insofar as the SSPX will tolerate or permit those closely allied to its apostolate to promote evolution, it is a development (I almost said “evolution”) which stands in stark contrast to its own former positions (e.g., as evinced by the irrefutable February/1997 Angelus article by Dr. Peter Jackson, The Devolution of Evolution, still archived on SSPX.org here).

In Part II of this article, I will address a number of questions and observations Mr. Konkel initially made to “Incredulous” (i.e., A personage on the Cathinfo forum), but subsequently addressed to me after I came to the latters’ defense (the substance of which comprised Sodalitium Pianum’s previous article, A Response to VLM).

In Part III,  I will post a number of questions which I addressed to Mr. Konkel (At which point the conversation was still fixed on his endorsement of “old earth theory,” and he had not yet admitted to being an evolutionist, which is not to suggest he was hiding it), and the frank answers he provided, which confirmed my suspicion that he was defending “old earth theory” as a support for his belief in evolution, and offer some comments to those responses.

Finally, Part IV of this series will contain scientific articles and refutations of “old earth” theory and evolution (science which Mr. Konkel has already announced he is ill-disposed to entertain).

PS: I will also create an “evolution” category, from whence readers can easily access all installments/articles on the topic.

Are you at all concerned that you pit all of modern science (physics, geology, chemistry, astronomy, biology etc) against your reading of what the Catholic Church teaches on the matter of the age of the earth and universe?  Is there not even just a little bit of fear and trepidation that you may perhaps be in the position of doing what Augustine and Aquinas warn us about, i.e. making a mockery of the faith by essentially telling others that their choice is between God and Catholic truth on the one hand and what reason seems to tell us regarding the natural world on the other?  Many (most?) who recognize that we do obtain truth through scientific analyses of the natural world are left with the choice of either denying what reason seems to show and accepting Catholic truth, or denying Catholic truth.  We can only hope that they will understand that your reading of Catholic truth might be a be a bit defective and that the choice is not faith or reason but faith and reason.        
 

 Prior to the 19th century, most everyone, including scientist with no particular religious bent had no reason not to assume that the universe was young.  Beginning in the 19th century evidence from all of the various sciences began to show quite conclusively that the earth and the universe was in fact very old

So scientists spent 100's of years to lay the foundation for modern geology, the discovery of radioactivity, the development of technology for radiometric dating, and the young earth creationists knew all along what the answer would be.  They knew all along that the earth would "appear" old.  This is curious.
 So on this reading we go back approximately 10,000 years to creation week and God decided, not just to make the earth appear old, but to make it appear a specific age.  He intentionally fashioned the earth to look 4.5 billion years old.  
 When we look at stars millions of light years away we are looking into the past.  The nearest star other than the sun is 4 light years away.  So it takes four years for that light to reach our eye and what we are seeing is the star as it was four years ago.  The same goes for stars millions of light years away.  Since, it seems, God wanted Adam to enjoy the starry night sky, He not only created the stars, but He also created the intervening protons at the same time.  Further, every event witnessed at a distance (anything more than 10,000 light years away)by the Hubbell space telescope and other astronomical instruments are absolutely fictitious.  This includes the disintegration of stars, the gravitational effects of black holes, etc.  None of these things actually happened.  They were all constructed, artificially in order to give the cosmos an appearance of old age.  On this reading every astronomical event greater than 10,000 yrs old is a fiction.  The Creator intentionally fashioned a bogus astronomical history extending as far back into space as our instruments can probe.  
 This sort of view is anything but Catholic and it finds its roots in some of the worst strains of Protestant thought.  This sort of thinking has profound consequences for science as well as theology.  
 May I ask a serious question?  Are you at least open to the possibility that perhaps what reason seems to show us with regard to the age of the earth and universe (that it is very old) can be reconciled with a sound reading of Scripture and traditional Catholic thought?  


Centuries before Big Bangism those who were promoting heliocentrism as compliant with Catholicism were quoting the same comments of St Aquinas and St Thomas in their efforts to use these saints against any opposing the Galilean heresy, two geocentrists I may add. It could be equally said they were warning against the heliocentrists who did introduce a false science into the world that evolved into Big Bang evolutionism, that in turn began Modernism, an anti-Catholic  heresy prophesised by Pope Urban VIII, and condemned to death by Pope Pius X. So do not be fooled when the Big Bangers try to use them again to defend their theories and assumptions of Big bang Evolutionism.

Once they made up a ‘natural’ explanation for the existence of a spinning-orbiting Earth they then had to try to explain the topography of the Earth, the physical structure of its surface as we find it today. History records it was Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Adam Sedgwick, Sir Roderick Murchison and many other like-minded men of the Geological Society of London - founded in 1807 - that ‘solved’ this problem. He/they proposed that slow processes acting over long periods of time formed everything, including sedimentary rock, with each of its layers representing its own age of millions of years. In his book The Rise of the Evolution Fraud (, Creation-Life Publishers, San Diego, California, 1982) , Malcolm Boden quotes an 1830 letter from Lyell to one Poulette Scrope - who was about to review the first volume of Lyell’s The Principles of Geology, a thesis on uniformitarianism for rocks - saying ‘I am sure you may get into Quarterly Review what will free science from Moses.’ Boden goes further and presents a record of this geological and biblical revolution, one exactly similar to the heliocentric fraud wherein assumptions and theories were upheld as empirical probabilities and facts by powerful men who filled all the important ‘scientific’ administrations in universities and teaching institutions and who in turn ensured the uniform method was placed in all textbooks since that time.


Two scientific studies show the earth is not the billions of years old claimed by the well paid scientists and professors who teach their unprepared students their ‘evidence for Big Bangism and the slow, slow evolution of the universe and the Earth. Robert Gentry’s investigation into radio halos, http://www.halos.com/books.htm and find video on his work. and the French geologist-sedimentologist Guy Berthault
We see then, the evidence is not exactly proof for anything. My favourite question for the long agers is why is there only 6.000 years of dust on the Moon. Then there is radioactive dating, more evidence they say for an old Earth. Well not according to Robert Gentry’s investigations. Ever read of some of the dating putting Islands of 100 years at millions of years.
The usual method of dating such short-life (10,000 years maximum) things is Carbon-14 dating. Radio-carbon dating relies on two major assumptions: a 32,000-year cycle that may never have been if we do live in a 6,000+-year world: and no other carbon entered the system in its cycle. Assumptions are not science. Other dating methods also rely on many assumptions to be accurate and sometimes produces some erroneous dating (In one case for example, a living turtle was dated at 1000+ years old.) Even so, try as they did with it, no trace of any civilisation could be dated with certainty as being more than 5,000 years old. Dr Walter Libby, who won a Nobel Prize for his discovery of the Carbon-14 dating method, and who thought his discovery would reveal ‘prehistoric’ times, never found any human artefact older than 5,000 years.

‘“You read statements in books that such or such a society or archaeological site is 20,000 years old,” he commented, “but we learn rather abruptly that these numbers, these ancient ages, are not known accurately; in fact, it is about the first dynasty of Egypt that the first historical date of any real certainty has been established.”’ A. J. White, Radio-Carbon Dating, Cardiff, Wales, 1955, p.10.

Finally Tkonkel ‘When we look at stars millions of light years away we are looking into the past.’  This ‘science’ was invented by Einstein and I will leave that until tomorrow but it can be summed up with the following, hardly the stuff to concord with Catholicism:

‘There was a young lady named Bright.
Whose speed was far faster than light.
She went out one day, in a relative way
   And returned on the previous night.
Reginald Butler (1913) quoted by Al Kelly in the introduction to his book Challenging Modern Physics – Questioning Einstein’s Relativity Theories. Brown Walker Press, Boca Raton, Florida, USA, 2005.









It is difficult to get a handle on what exactly it is that some here are objecting to regarding Fr. Robinson's book.  

Well for me anyway, from the introductions on the book on websites and what I have been told by a friend who is trying to read what he describes as one of the most difficult and boring books he ever tried to read - it mirrors most of speculations and assumptions you portray above under the auspices of ‘science.’ Like you with your ‘evidence’ for an old Earth, Fr Robinson asserted there was conclusive evidence for a Big Bang, which precedes an old Earth. Now for those who have not studied this evidence, Fr Robinson has a free ride. But I have and there is as much evidence for a geocentric and thus Scriptural young Earth as there is for a Big Bang. The first evidence given to the uninformed was Hubble’s finding of Red-shift. He and fellow physicists claimed this was the stars expanding. An expanding universe is not evidence for a Big Bang as Fr Robinson claims, as Copernicus predicted an expanding universe if the universe is twirling around. In his book Creation’s Tiny Mystery, (http://www.halos.com/book/ctm-app-17-i.htm) scientist Robert Gentry (DSc. Hon.), shows many scientists dismissed Hubble’s interpretation, even that they are caused by the turning stars of a geocentric system. Now Fr Robinson’s Big Bang is the mother of the billions of years needed for the evolution of the universe and an old Earth. Moreover, his, your, Catholic Big Bang places God creation under the label of ‘origins’ science, an exercise that can prove nothing and a God who can be removed from His creation if science changes its mind for one reason or another. So Fr Robinson’s Big Bang goes with all that baggage, when the Catholic Church has its teaching:

 ‘God…creator of all visible and invisible things, of the spiritual and of the corporal; who by His own omnipotent power at once from the beginning of time created each creature from nothing, spiritual and corporal, namely, angelic and mundane, and finally the human, both of the spirit and the body.’ - - - Lateran Council IV, 1215.

‘All that exists outside God was, in its whole substance, produced out of nothing by God. (De fide.) --- Vatican I.

 If all things were created whole ‘at once’ how could the creation of all things have evolved over 13.5 billion years? One cannot say that God created things ‘in their whole substance’ if the universe, Earth and life began by inanimate matter evolving cell by cell over millions of years and continues to evolve. ‘Substance,’ we know from classic philosophy, means ‘what something is’ and not what something can become or is becoming.

Centuries before Big Bangism those who were promoting heliocentrism as compliant with Catholicism were quoting the same comments of St Aquinas and St Thomas in their efforts to use these saints against any opposing the Galilean heresy, two geocentrists I may add.



Ah, so many ironies in life! 

Thomas Aquinas College (named after the Angelic Doctor who as rightly pointed out above was and is a geocentrist), that hybrid Catholic institution in Santa Paula, California has on display a big expensive Foucault Pendulum which sits there as a supposed testimony to the supposed truth that the Earth spins on its axis.  It proves absolutely nothing of the sort, but just imagine its effect on the students there who witness it, some for 4 years straight!

The Foucault Pendulum is, of course, powerful evidence of something (that the universe goes around the Earth approximately once every 24 hours), but unfortunately that evidence is interpreted in an erroneous way both at Thomas Aquinas College and almost universally throughout the world.

Let us hope that one day Thomas Aquinas College will catch up to the example set by Saint Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg, Russia.  . In 1931, it was turned into the Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism, the dove sculpture was removed, and replaced by a Foucault pendulum.[6][7] On April 12, 1931, the first public demonstration of the Foucault pendulum was held to visualize Copernicus’s theory.  After the fall of communism the museum was gotten rid of along with the Foucault Pendelum and the church was restored.  When will Thomas Aquinas College take a wake up call from this.

I  communicated with the administration of the college regarding their continued wrong headed use of the Foucault Pendulum a few years ago, but my pleas have gone unheeded even to this day.

Ah, so many ironies in life!  

Thomas Aquinas College (named after the Angelic Doctor who as rightly pointed out above was and is a geocentrist), that hybrid Catholic institution in Santa Paula, California has on display a big expensive Foucault Pendulum which sits there as a supposed testimony to the supposed truth that the Earth spins on its axis.  It proves absolutely nothing of the sort, but just imagine its effect on the students there who witness it, some for 4 years straight!

The Foucault Pendulum is, of course, powerful evidence of something (that the universe goes around the Earth approximately once every 24 hours), but unfortunately that evidence is interpreted in an erroneous way both at Thomas Aquinas College and almost universally throughout the world.

Let us hope that one day Thomas Aquinas College will catch up to the example set by Saint Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg, Russia.  . In 1931, it was turned into the Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism, the dove sculpture was removed, and replaced by a Foucault pendulum.[6][7] On April 12, 1931, the first public demonstration of the Foucault pendulum was held to visualize Copernicus’s theory.  After the fall of communism the museum was gotten rid of along with the Foucault Pendelum and the church was restored.  When will Thomas Aquinas College take a wake up call from this.

I  communicated with the administration of the college regarding their continued wrong headed use of the Foucault Pendulum a few years ago, but my pleas have gone unheeded even to this day.

https://savageplane.wordpress.com/2016/11/27/is-foucaults-fraudulent-pendulum-a-religious-tool/