Author Topic: SSPX, Econe: "Non Conciliar jurisdiction marriages are schismatic" (Read 2260 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** January 23, 2018, 08:53:52 PM »

There must be something in the pond water, cause the Frogs have gone crazy :jumping2:

The SSPX now deems it immoral to receive the Catholic bans of marriage without approval from your local Novu ordo Bishop.

Father Jean-Michel Gleize - Econe seminary professor

The position of the priests in Ecône is now decided on the question of marriages with respect to the jurisdiction given by Rome to reconcile the priests of the SSPX: this jurisdiction can be accepted MORALLY.

The seminarians are learning in their moral theology class that it is MORALLY GOOD to accept this legal dependence for the marriages of the traditionalists (within the framework of the new code, of course). Restrictions may be made (eg a Taizé father will not be accepted in the choir of an SSPX chapel) but the moral principle is abandoned (submission and mixing of tradition with local modernists) and experience always has shown that the abandonment of the principles leads to catastrophe.

Father Gleize recently attended a deanery session in France: he clearly announced the new position of Ecône with regard to the acceptance of conciliar jurisdiction. He affirmed that the refusal of this jurisdiction could be equated to a SCHISMATIC TREND. This position is now that of Fr. Benoît de Jorna [director of the Ecône seminar. Note from NP] .

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PG · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2018, 09:17:11 PM »

Are you sure that you have your facts right? The text below says it is morally okay to accept the involvement of the diocese. But, that is very different from the sspx saying it is immoral to not accept it, which I don't see anywhere in the text below. And, a schismatic trend is not really saying it is proclamation of sin. And, what the sspx has done for many years now according to its ecclesiology trends schismatic, so what is new.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2018, 09:44:01 PM »

If it is true that Fr. de Jorna has now capitulated, and has acquiesced to the subjugation of SSPX marriages to conciliar authorities, then that is the nail in the coffin of the 2018 General Chapter.

He was the only one reported to have given any spirited opposition to Bishop Fellay at the 2012 General Chapter.

Remember this: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-fellay-bombarded-in-his-bunker-at-the-chapter/

Meanwhile, Some SSPX and Resistance priests are saying that Fr. de Jorna's 2012 opponent (Fr. Pagliarini) is now being spoken of as "Papabile" for the upcoming chapter.

Depressing, but not surprising, I guess.

Incredulous · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2018, 09:46:37 PM »

Quote from: PG on January 23, 2018, 09:17:11 PM

Are you sure that you have your facts right? The text below says it is morally okay to accept the involvement of the diocese. But, that is very different from the sspx saying it is immoral to not accept it, which I don't see anywhere in the text below. And, a schismatic trend is not really saying it is proclamation of sin. And, what the sspx has done for many years now according to its ecclesiology trends schismatic, so what is new.

The article says it is a new official position for the SSX to deem a Conciliar marriage morally good.
And, with this new position, any priests or faithful who do not comply are schismatic.

Is this not what has the October uproar in France was all about? The French saw the sellout coming.

Now it is here: SSPXers who do not comply to Msgr. Fellay's marriage jurisdiction edicts are immoral.

Disobeying Msgr. Fellay, is the state or quality of being immoral; wickedness,badness, evil, vileness, corruption, dishonesty, dishonorableness...etc.

Do you get it now ?

PG · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2018, 10:04:48 PM »

Incredulous - I did not see the click for a link at the bottom. I will read what the link has to say. I will admit thought it doesn't look good.

CathInfo.com

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