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Offline Mr G

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SSPX Downplaying differences
« on: November 17, 2019, 06:36:52 PM »
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  • FROM https://psalm129.wordpress.com/2019/11/15/downplaying-differences/


    Not long ago Michael Matt of The Remnant Newspaper was one of the few remaining “Traditional” Catholic media outlets still warning about the nose dive being taken by the Neo-SSPX.

    Not always, but every so often, Matt would run an article or two about how the Society’s reconciliation process with Pope Francis was a crazy idea. As recently as 2018, he wrote about how the new marriage decree the pope issued for the Society was probably done for nefarious purposes.

    These days, Matt is singing a different tune. “Unite the Clans!” he bellows. “We have differences…but let’s focus our energies on Rome,” he often says.

    Quite a change!

    God knows what brought about Matt’s newfound indifference to the very real and very important differences between groups like the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, etc.

    Whatever it was, the folly in the “Unite the Clans” approach seems to be that it is trying to accomplish what Fr. Felix Salvany warned against in his classic text Liberalism is a Sin. His words:
    “Amongst the illusions entertained by a certain class of Catholics, there is none more pitiable than the notion that the truth requires a great number of defenders and friends…They imagine that to multiply heterogeneous quantities is to multiply power.”
    “Now, true force, real power in the physical as in the moral order, consists in intensity rather than in extension. A greater volume of matter equally intense evidently produces a greater effect, not by reason of the increased volume, but by virtue of the augmented intensities contained in it.”

    The Society of old would have recognized the wisdom in Fr. Salvany’s arguments. They would have recognized that an SSPX priest should only attend events like the recently concluded Catholic Identity Conference (CIC) to remind others about the truth of the crisis in the Church and the truth about Archbishop Lefebvre.

    Alas, in a recent report about the CIC written on OnePeterFive, one discovers that Fr. Jurgen Wegner, District Superior of the SSPX in America, did nothing of the sort.

    “Fr. Wegner shared a number of interesting points regarding the history of the Latin Mass movement and the role of Archbishop Lefebvre,” the reporter states. “[He] asserted that it was due to the work of Archbishop Lefebvre that the Latin Mass survived the early days of this struggle.”

    Fr. Wegner is also quoted as saying that in 1988, the Holy See went for a “divide and conquer,” strategy. “The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, [Wegner] said, was created for this purpose.”

    The reporter then claimed that Fr. Wegner “[set] aside further controversy on these contentious issues” and instead “shared an interesting note concerning the American Catholic Church…[he] found bishops who wished to evenly spread the Latin Mass parishes across their dioceses…”

    So, to summarize: At the 2019 Catholic Identity Conference, Fr. Wegner spoke about how the Archbishop helped save the Latin Mass and how Rome established the FSSP to divide and conquer Tradition but then he “set aside further controversy on these contentious issues” and instead praised American bishops for promoting the Latin Mass.

    What a disaster! How is this any different than the rounding off and downplaying of the faith that Conciliar churchmen do for ecuмenical purposes? “Preach truth in season and out” is apparently one bible verse Fr. Wegner is fine with setting aside.
    It’s human nature to want to “Unite the Clans” and to think such an effort will bring to an end the crisis in the Church. But here’s the thing: it won’t.

    Now, can conferences like the CIC alert many souls to the reality of what’s going on? Possibly. But if SSPX leadership is going to attend these sorts of functions and simply “set aside further controversy on these contentious issues” then they will have only helped make it a complete and utter failure.

    The truth sets us free. Yet the Neo-SSPX is putting it under a bushel in order to court popularity and win human respect. May God have mercy on their souls for doing so.


    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: SSPX Downplaying differences
    « Reply #1 on: November 18, 2019, 12:09:54 AM »
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    Fr. Wegner shared a number of interesting points regarding the history of the Latin Mass movement and the role of Archbishop Lefebvre,” 

    What is the “Latin mass movement”?  I thought +ABL created his seminary to train priests to SPREAD THE FAITH, of which the mass is only a part?
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    The Faith is more important than the mass.  Those that follow the indult communities and the new-sspx will be given their “smells and bells” by the Modernists in new-rome but they will have to give up the True Faith, which opposes Modernism to its very core.
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    We already see countless examples of the new-sspx compromising their faith so they can be “one of the gang”.  Most of the indulters never had the full Faith to begin with, because they grew up novus ordo (which is not their fault).  But since the new-sspx won’t criticize V2 anymore, how would the indulters know that they are missing some Truths?  How will they learn that V2 is anti-catholic?  Who is left to instruct them, when the new-sspx is willing to compromise Truth in exchange for “acceptance” and popularity?  
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    Benjamin Franklin said that “those who trade liberty for security deserve neither”.  I say - those who would trade the Faith for the Mass value neither.  


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: SSPX Downplaying differences
    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2019, 05:55:46 AM »
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  • I worry about the growing 2 percent who attend any of these traditional Masses but who are pro abortion, divorced, secret sodomite, feminist, etc. Many liberals go to Latin Mass after their parish shut down.   Then it is  a repeat of Vatican II but Latin Mass with mortal sin condoned.  

    Indult is connected to most corrupt dioceses.  Indult is always fundraising.  No money. No Mass.  

    These American bishops don’t deserve any praise.  They are the problem in USA.  It is sinful to praise and condone their mortal sins.  The sspx deal with Rome is done.  (Where we live there isn’t Society of St Peter or Institute of Christ the King.).  






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    Re: SSPX Downplaying differences
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2019, 07:02:16 AM »
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  • It is pretty sad that many SSPX priests supports evolution which is communism.  Didn’t one SSPX priest refer to the masons of today as a organization that fundraises for good causes?  Most Masonic lodges are full of novus ordo Catholics.  

    The Church left us.  
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    Re: SSPX Downplaying differences
    « Reply #4 on: November 18, 2019, 07:03:23 AM »
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  • I worry about the growing 2 percent who attend any of these traditional Masses but who are pro abortion, divorced, secret sodomite, feminist, etc. Many liberals go to Latin Mass after their parish shut down.   Then it is  a repeat of Vatican II but Latin Mass with mortal sin condoned.  

    Indult is connected to most corrupt dioceses.  Indult is always fundraising.  No money. No Mass.  

    These American bishops don’t deserve any praise.  They are the problem in USA.  It is sinful to praise and condone their mortal sins.  The sspx deal with Rome is done.  (Where we live there isn’t Society of St Peter or Institute of Christ the King and they hate the SSpx.   
    May God bless you and keep you