Author Topic: SSPX District notice concerning Ignis Ardens (Read 33140 times)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #60 on:** June 02, 2011, 05:42:44 PM »

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

It's fair for forum admins to run their own forums the way they see fit, right?

Every forum mod ends up locking threads and banning troublemakers. :king:

It all works out in the end.

Ignis Ardens · « **Reply #61 on:** June 02, 2011, 06:47:14 PM »

The thread, Quo Vadis SSPX?, was deleted at the request of Stephen Heiner earlier today.

PATRICIUS.

JPaul · « **Reply #62 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:44:27 PM »

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

Really, there's nothing sinister about it. I would have locked it even before Krahgate, after letting it run its course. There have been several topics which had become overly sede and overly critical of the SSPX and which I locked in the past. But now, when I make the same decisions, I am diagnosed with "Menzingen flu"!

Ignis is heading in the same direction as ever, with a pro-SSPX bias, as the rules have stated from the outset.

It still didn't answer the question Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

Not relevant. Ignis is another victim of the tactics of intimidation and public excoriation. There was much more implied in the "notice", than just the words which it contains. Both clerical and secular authority were employed to silence critics. The other implications are left to the good conscience of the victims. A rather crude modus.

John Grace · « **Reply #63 on:** June 03, 2011, 04:50:58 AM »

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

It's fair for forum admins to run their own forums the way they see fit, right?

Every forum mod ends up locking threads and banning troublemakers. :king:

It all works out in the end.

It still didn't answer the question Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

John Grace · « **Reply #64 on:** June 03, 2011, 04:53:53 AM »

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The thread, Quo Vadis SSPX?, was deleted at the request of Stephen Heiner earlier today.

PATRICIUS.

Mr Heiner posted the following on Ignis Ardens.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7359&st=0

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One particular user made a lot of unsubstantiated accusations. I requested the thread deletion because I felt in the final analysis the thread was less rather than more edifying. I don't claim that I responded 100% appropriately in that thread either, but there's that.

clare · « **Reply #65 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:23:52 AM »

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

It's fair for forum admins to run their own forums the way they see fit, right?

Every forum mod ends up locking threads and banning troublemakers. :king:

It all works out in the end.

It still didn't answer the question Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

"Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?", means "Where are you going, Ignis Ardens?"

I've answered that question twice. The destination is the same place as it ever was. It has not changed, so why are you asking now?

clare · « **Reply #66 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:29:04 AM »

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Ignis is another victim of the tactics of intimidation and public excoriation.

For goodness' sake. As I've said before, I was never comfortable with Krahgate in the first place. You could almost say I was intimidated into letting it continue as long as it did!

In fact, I remember saying early on that I was "more scared of you lot" than of Menzingen! Because I could tell who'd give me more flak if I made the "wrong" decision.

John Grace · « **Reply #67 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:01:07 AM »

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Ignis is another victim of the tactics of intimidation and public excoriation.

For goodness' sake. As I've said before, I was never comfortable with Krahgate in the first place. You could almost say I was intimidated into letting it continue as long as it did!

In fact, I remember saying early on that I was "more scared of you lot" than of Menzingen! Because I could tell who'd give me more flak if I made the "wrong" decision.

It's quite remarkable and rather dishonest to suggest you were "intimidated into letting it continue as long as it did" The note signed by Fr Morgan has never stated the material in the 'Krahgate' is false or contains any calumny.

JPaul · « **Reply #68 on:** June 03, 2011, 02:41:21 PM »

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Ignis is another victim of the tactics of intimidation and public excoriation.

For goodness' sake. As I've said before, I was never comfortable with Krahgate in the first place. You could almost say I was intimidated into letting it continue as long as it did!

In fact, I remember saying early on that I was "more scared of you lot" than of Menzingen! Because I could tell who'd give me more flak if I made the "wrong" decision.

The fact that this public intimidation was directed at Ignis , and all others who might be critics, is a matter of public record.
That has nothing to do with whatever decisions you did or did not make. That is a different issue. The bad behaviour was not yours.

John Grace · « **Reply #69 on:** June 05, 2011, 11:49:32 AM »

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Ignis is another victim of the tactics of intimidation and public excoriation.

For goodness' sake. As I've said before, I was never comfortable with Krahgate in the first place. You could almost say I was intimidated into letting it continue as long as it did!

In fact, I remember saying early on that I was "more scared of you lot" than of Menzingen! Because I could tell who'd give me more flak if I made the "wrong" decision.

I read this on your forum, Clare.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=5817&st=0&

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think the good Bishop's Eleison Comments are a mission, in order to open the eyes of the people towards God. With "people" I mean catholics and "not-yet-catholics" but full of good intentions. So that we concentrate on God, and see the problems which arise when we turn away from God. Modern art, capitalism, etc. are dominating indicators to this.

There's obviously nobody else in the SSPX who could fulfill this mission in such an effective way.
Shame on the entire SSPX leadership not to honor this, but on the contrary to fight this good Bishop and "his" mission. Anyone who fights a mission which brings God to the people (or the people to God) must totally be blinded - or worse.

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I keep waiting for some kind of marching orders, but am treated instead to essays on art and capitalism. I just wonder aloud what the good bishop's game plan is.

Well, dear Hollingsworth, indeed good questions! If we trust in God we'll see what HIS plan is.

Obviously the good Bishop thinks the best he can do at the moment is to stay out of the public SSPX confrontation. Surely he helps the situation with prayers, holy masses, etc.

Still, the public confrontation started to take place (which is a good thing) and looks like the final battle for the SSPX: the catholics versus those who want to judaize the SSPX.
Good guys like William of Norwich, Veritas1961 and some more did and do a good job in opening the eyes of Catholics. So they can join the battle with prayers and/or action.

I certainly commend 'William of Norwich', 'Veritas1961' and others. I also commend the owners of this forum who don't censor truth and stand in the battlefield as true Catholic soldiers.

John Grace · « **Reply #70 on:** June 06, 2011, 06:52:01 AM »

It's interesting that a thread was started on Ignis Ardens about "Cardinal Burke bottles out" yet their moderating staff "bottled it" in relation to 'Krahgate'. Ignis is owned by 'Patricius' so perhaps he will answer why 'Krahgate' was removed?

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7354&hl=

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Cardinal Burke withdraws from London conference at last minute

John Grace · « **Reply #71 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:56:31 PM »

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

It's fair for forum admins to run their own forums the way they see fit, right?

Every forum mod ends up locking threads and banning troublemakers. :king:

It all works out in the end.

Should somebody who says "get lost you snake." be banned from a forum, Elizabeth?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #72 on:** June 06, 2011, 04:59:39 PM »

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

It's fair for forum admins to run their own forums the way they see fit, right?

Every forum mod ends up locking threads and banning troublemakers. :king:

It all works out in the end.

Clare actually does not ban anyone from Ignus as of the last time I looked.

JPaul · « **Reply #73 on:** June 07, 2011, 08:50:00 PM »

One must remember that the "notice" so called was in fact not a notice, it was a threat. It is a rich idea to think that someone may be dragged into the тαℓмυdic justice system to silence that topic. And perhaps some of the money that person puts into the basket on Sunday, might be used to do it. This is a very dark contoversy, to be sure. Ignis was surely made into a scapegoat in furtherance of this suppresion, and as an example for others.

John Grace · « **Reply #74 on:** June 14, 2011, 11:48:44 AM »

The General Discussion section of the Ignis Ardens forum has been closed so the question Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens? sill applies. It seems the forum is closing down. Cath Info is to be commended for its Independence.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7413

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