Author Topic: SSPX District notice concerning Ignis Ardens (Read 36231 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #45 on:** May 22, 2011, 11:50:12 AM »

Whilst the note mentions calumny, I am of the understanding the reference to calumny is in reference to the internet in general. At no time in the note did it state the material in 'The Complete Krah File' is false. Bishop Fellay may not being liked questioned or answering questions but certainly can't use the term calumny.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #46 on:** May 22, 2011, 07:08:22 PM »

Use of the 'calumny charge' is but a scare tactic meant to silence those who have reasonable concerns and questions. BF knows darn well he'd be nailed to the wall if he actually had to prove it in a court of law. IMO, a court is the LAST place he'd want to be, as it would provide an 'uncontrollable' platform for those he means to silence.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #47 on:** May 22, 2011, 07:13:39 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Use of the 'calumny charge' is but a scare tactic meant to silence those who have reasonable concerns and questions. BF knows darn well he'd be nailed to the wall if he actually had to prove it in a court of law. IMO, a court is the LAST place he'd want to be, as it would provide an 'uncontrollable' platform for those he means to silence.

In England it's different.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #48 on:** May 22, 2011, 07:18:53 PM »

Could you be less specific?

John Grace · « **Reply #49 on:** May 23, 2011, 10:31:56 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Use of the 'calumny charge' is but a scare tactic meant to silence those who have reasonable concerns and questions. BF knows darn well he'd be nailed to the wall if he actually had to prove it in a court of law. IMO, a court is the LAST place he'd want to be, as it would provide an 'uncontrollable' platform for those he means to silence.

Exactly. Well said,gladius_veritatis

JPaul · « **Reply #50 on:** May 23, 2011, 03:46:50 PM »

Quote from: Francisco

This sort of bullying was not uncommon before Vatican II which is one reason many welcomed that Council.

es, but what they actually welcomed was a Maoist revolution replete with canonical firing squads to dispatch those who refused the revolution.

JMJ

JPaul · « **Reply #51 on:** May 23, 2011, 04:01:09 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Use of the 'calumny charge' is but a scare tactic meant to silence those who have reasonable concerns and questions. BF knows darn well he'd be nailed to the wall if he actually had to prove it in a court of law. IMO, a court is the LAST place he'd want to be, as it would provide an 'uncontrollable' platform for those he means to silence.

That actually hits it directly on the head. The only caveat being, that H.E. has an almost unlimited source of funds to play with which to dabble in the courtroom, whereas most of us could not afford a day's worth of competent legal representation. Regardless, they are simply playing at intimidation from the ivory tower, casting epiphets down upon the rabble.

JMJ

Telesphorus · « **Reply #52 on:** May 23, 2011, 04:26:07 PM »

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Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Use of the 'calumny charge' is but a scare tactic meant to silence those who have reasonable concerns and questions. BF knows darn well he'd be nailed to the wall if he actually had to prove it in a court of law. IMO, a court is the LAST place he'd want to be, as it would provide an 'uncontrollable' platform for those he means to silence.

That actually hits it directly on the head. The only caveat being, that H.E. has an almost unlimited source of funds to play with which to dabble in the courtroom, whereas most of us could not afford a day's worth of competent legal representation. Regardless, they are simply playing at intimidation from the ivory tower, casting epiphets down upon the rabble.

JMJ

Real Catholics are prepared to contend with the powers and principalities - and know that right and wrong aren't decided by frivolous suits in court.

JPaul · « **Reply #53 on:** May 25, 2011, 07:59:58 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Use of the 'calumny charge' is but a scare tactic meant to silence those who have reasonable concerns and questions. BF knows darn well he'd be nailed to the wall if he actually had to prove it in a court of law. IMO, a court is the LAST place he'd want to be, as it would provide an 'uncontrollable' platform for those he means to silence.

That actually hits it directly on the head. The only caveat being, that H.E. has an almost unlimited source of funds to play with which to dabble in the courtroom, whereas most of us could not afford a day's worth of competent legal representation. Regardless, they are simply playing at intimidation from the ivory tower, casting epiphets down upon the rabble.

JMJ

Real Catholics are prepared to contend with the powers and principalities - and know that right and wrong aren't decided by frivolous suits in court.

But, alas, it appears that what once was a "pious union" has now become a lucrative business, and as such, must now employ the methods and collaborations of the same powers and principalities to subdue its perceived enemies in the courts of тαℓмυdic justice.

Wessex · « **Reply #54 on:** May 29, 2011, 05:51:53 AM »

I think so many organisations over time lose their commitment to a cause and start to compromise their objectives. If Bp. Fellay can't resist negotiating with Rome all the time, it is not hard to imagine him wanting to fit into the modern world more comfortably. Of course, the world of business is very corrupt and one would expect true Catholics to avoid benefiting from doing that, but I fear high principle has given way to material gain and political acceptance. The moral gloss has gone and we just have another puveyor of liturgical antiquity.

John Grace · « **Reply #55 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:01:21 AM »

It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

John Grace · « **Reply #56 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:22:10 AM »

Let's pray for the moderator of Ignis Ardens, Clare.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=7348

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clare · « **Reply #57 on:** June 02, 2011, 04:20:25 AM »

Thank you for the prayers, John Grace. Much appreciated.

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It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

Really, there's nothing sinister about it. I would have locked it even before Krahgate, after letting it run its course. There have been several topics which had become overly sede and overly critical of the SSPX and which I locked in the past. But now, when I make the same decisions, I am diagnosed with "Menzingen flu"!

Ignis is heading in the same direction as ever, with a pro-SSPX bias, as the rules have stated from the outset.

John Grace · « **Reply #58 on:** June 02, 2011, 07:41:09 AM »

Quote from: clare

Thank you for the prayers, John Grace. Much appreciated.
Quote from: John Grace
It appears Ignis Ardens staff have locked the thread on Quo Vadis, SSPX? Part I: The Failure of the Negotiations. It's fair to ask Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

Really, there's nothing sinister about it. I would have locked it even before Krahgate, after letting it run its course. There have been several topics which had become overly sede and overly critical of the SSPX and which I locked in the past. But now, when I make the same decisions, I am diagnosed with "Menzingen flu"!

Ignis is heading in the same direction as ever, with a pro-SSPX bias, as the rules have stated from the outset.

It still didn't answer the question Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

clare · « **Reply #59 on:** June 02, 2011, 08:15:27 AM »

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Quote from: clare
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Ignis is heading in the same direction as ever, with a pro-SSPX bias, as the rules have stated from the outset.

It still didn't answer the question Quo Vadis, Ignis Ardens?

As I said it is heading in the same direction as ever.

If you don't like where it's going now, you never liked where it was going.