Author Topic: A serious question (Read 3294 times)

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2012, 06:13:37 PM »

I've never read the poem, but I am quite certain that if it were theologically sound there would be be a firestorm of criticism and calumny surrounding it.

There is good reason to believe the story that Pope Pius XII verbally authorized its publication. Three supposedly highly credible people swore in writing that they were present when the pontiff made this declaration. From what I've been able to learn about the history of the index incident, the reason it was placed on the index was because it was published without an imprimatur, and not because it contained anything objectionable. The lack of an imprimatur was due to the publisher thinking it didn't need one since it already had the approval of the pope. The index was abolished shortly afterwards, before the matter could be sorted out.

I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry to believe accusations about scandalous content from unverifiable sources.

Maria Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2012, 07:14:00 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Anything associated with my crazy novus ordo grandmother, and after reading what TIA had to say about it, :barf:, how can anyone recommend such a thing unless they are either very delusional (like my ecuмenical "I want my family to be a UN" grandmother), someone who doesn't know what it contains, and has only seen "good" snippets, or someone that is not bothered by disrespectful drivel, not to mention outright blasphemy written about Our Lord and Our Lady.

This is what TIA has to say about it (nothing good):

http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_042_Valtorta.htm

TIA also gives a reference to an online version of the poem:

http://jloughnan.tripod.com/critique.htm

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2012, 09:02:37 PM »

Pablo, I had to delete your post because of the immodest picture that went with it. I couldn't edit the picture out, so I had no choice.

Please keep it rated G.

MauricePinay · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2012, 09:08:13 PM »

Quote from: Pablo

... Valtorta asserts the sin of Eve was not disobedience, but a sɛҳuąƖ act..."

This is absolutely anti-biblical. It's from the satanic тαℓмυd and Zohar of rabbinic Judaism.

Who cannot see the problems with this? In rabbinic Judaism it is extrapolated from this absurdity that there is an irredeemable satanic race of people that resulted from this alleged sɛҳuąƖ act; that women are inherently filled with lust and witchcraft because of it; etc, etc etc.

None of this has anything to do with the Bible and Christianity. It's entirely rabbinic.