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Offline Columba

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November 06, 2012
Michael J. Miller

The last several months’ developments in Vatican/SSPX relations have been misinterpreted by extremists of all ideological stripes.

The last official meeting between the Ecclesia Dei Commission and the authorities of the Society of Saint Pius X took place in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on June 13, 2012. Some sanguine observers expected the return of the Society to the fold in months if not weeks, while the more cynical opined that the meeting marked the end of the CDF-SSPX negotiations.

Since June there were major personnel changes at the CDF, and the Society held a General Chapter, defined the parameters for its future dealings with the Vatican, and neutralized an internal threat to its unity. Commentators weighed each of these developments in turn as though it could seal the ultimate fate of the Society. Often lost in the shuffle was the key fact that the SSPX authorities still had not responded officially to Rome’s latest offer—a fact helpfully pointed out in a communiqué from the Ecclesia Dei Commission issued in late October.

This article reviews these events and offers a perspective on the controversies surrounding them.

A new phase of discussions

At the June 13 meeting at the Vatican Cardinal William J. Levada, then-prefect of the CDF, presented to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX, a doctrinal declaration and a proposal for the canonical regularization of the Society. The first docuмent was the most recent form of the “Doctrinal Preamble” drawn up by the Ecclesia Dei Commission in late 2011; the acceptance by the SSPX of the principles stated therein was to be the basis for any arrangement to reinstate the Society in the Church with a canonical mission. It was understood that the Society could modify the wording but not the substance of the Doctrinal Preamble; as of June 2012 the SSPX authorities were waiting for Rome’s response to a version that they had proposed.

They were surprised, therefore, that the “Doctrinal Declaration” presented for them to sign on June 13 was almost identical to the original Preamble. They were even more perplexed by the canonical proposal. When the Society began its doctrinal discussions with the CDF, it assured its members that there would be no talk about regularizing its canonical status until after the doctrinal issues were settled. Now Rome was asking for both at once. Bishop Fellay and his assistants prudently deferred their response to Rome’s proposal until they had the opportunity to consult widely with other SSPX members.

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An English-language statement by the Ecclesia Dei Commission dated October 27 announced that “in its most recent official communication (6 September 2012), the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X has indicated that additional time for reflection and study is needed on their part as they prepare their response to the Holy See’s latest initiatives.” The docuмent speaks about “the current stage in the ongoing discussions between the Holy See and the Priestly Fraternity” and cites several “critical steps in this positive process of gradual integration” since 2007.

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http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1726/sspx_dialogue_continues_patience_serenity_perseverance_and_trust_are_needed.aspx


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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 09:33:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Columba
    November 06, 2012
    Michael J. Miller

    The last several months’ developments in Vatican/SSPX relations have been misinterpreted by extremists of all ideological stripes.

    The last official meeting between the Ecclesia Dei Commission and the authorities of the Society of Saint Pius X took place in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on June 13, 2012. Some sanguine observers expected the return of the Society to the fold in months if not weeks, while the more cynical opined that the meeting marked the end of the CDF-SSPX negotiations.

    Since June there were major personnel changes at the CDF, and the Society held a General Chapter, defined the parameters for its future dealings with the Vatican, and neutralized an internal threat to its unity. Commentators weighed each of these developments in turn as though it could seal the ultimate fate of the Society. Often lost in the shuffle was the key fact that the SSPX authorities still had not responded officially to Rome’s latest offer—a fact helpfully pointed out in a communiqué from the Ecclesia Dei Commission issued in late October.

    This article reviews these events and offers a perspective on the controversies surrounding them.

    A new phase of discussions

    At the June 13 meeting at the Vatican Cardinal William J. Levada, then-prefect of the CDF, presented to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX, a doctrinal declaration and a proposal for the canonical regularization of the Society. The first docuмent was the most recent form of the “Doctrinal Preamble” drawn up by the Ecclesia Dei Commission in late 2011; the acceptance by the SSPX of the principles stated therein was to be the basis for any arrangement to reinstate the Society in the Church with a canonical mission. It was understood that the Society could modify the wording but not the substance of the Doctrinal Preamble; as of June 2012 the SSPX authorities were waiting for Rome’s response to a version that they had proposed.

    They were surprised, therefore, that the “Doctrinal Declaration” presented for them to sign on June 13 was almost identical to the original Preamble. They were even more perplexed by the canonical proposal. When the Society began its doctrinal discussions with the CDF, it assured its members that there would be no talk about regularizing its canonical status until after the doctrinal issues were settled. Now Rome was asking for both at once. Bishop Fellay and his assistants prudently deferred their response to Rome’s proposal until they had the opportunity to consult widely with other SSPX members.

    [...]

    An English-language statement by the Ecclesia Dei Commission dated October 27 announced that “in its most recent official communication (6 September 2012), the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X has indicated that additional time for reflection and study is needed on their part as they prepare their response to the Holy See’s latest initiatives.” The docuмent speaks about “the current stage in the ongoing discussions between the Holy See and the Priestly Fraternity” and cites several “critical steps in this positive process of gradual integration” since 2007.

    [...]

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1726/sspx_dialogue_continues_patience_serenity_perseverance_and_trust_are_needed.aspx



    "...gradual integration since 2007."

    Indeed.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 08:24:43 AM »
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  • But - but - but - the 'deal' is off!    :soapbox:



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    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 08:32:41 AM »
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    the Society held a General Chapter, defined the parameters for its future dealings with the Vatican, and neutralized an internal threat to its unity.


    = Threw out Bp. Williamson and everyone that disagreed with Menzingen.

    "By their deeds you shall know them". You don't throw out your allies of 42 years, just because they disagree with your CHANGE from what had always been the SSPX stance.

    There has been a TAKEOVER of the SSPX. The deeds show it. You don't throw out your friends!

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    Quote from: Columba
    November 06, 2012
    Michael J. Miller

    The last several months’ developments in Vatican/SSPX relations have been misinterpreted by extremists of all ideological stripes.

    The last official meeting between the Ecclesia Dei Commission and the authorities of the Society of Saint Pius X took place in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on June 13, 2012. Some sanguine observers expected the return of the Society to the fold in months if not weeks, while the more cynical opined that the meeting marked the end of the CDF-SSPX negotiations.

    Since June there were major personnel changes at the CDF, and the Society held a General Chapter, defined the parameters for its future dealings with the Vatican, and neutralized an internal threat to its unity. Commentators weighed each of these developments in turn as though it could seal the ultimate fate of the Society. Often lost in the shuffle was the key fact that the SSPX authorities still had not responded officially to Rome’s latest offer—a fact helpfully pointed out in a communiqué from the Ecclesia Dei Commission issued in late October.

    This article reviews these events and offers a perspective on the controversies surrounding them.

    A new phase of discussions

    At the June 13 meeting at the Vatican Cardinal William J. Levada, then-prefect of the CDF, presented to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX, a doctrinal declaration and a proposal for the canonical regularization of the Society. The first docuмent was the most recent form of the “Doctrinal Preamble” drawn up by the Ecclesia Dei Commission in late 2011; the acceptance by the SSPX of the principles stated therein was to be the basis for any arrangement to reinstate the Society in the Church with a canonical mission. It was understood that the Society could modify the wording but not the substance of the Doctrinal Preamble; as of June 2012 the SSPX authorities were waiting for Rome’s response to a version that they had proposed.

    They were surprised, therefore, that the “Doctrinal Declaration” presented for them to sign on June 13 was almost identical to the original Preamble. They were even more perplexed by the canonical proposal. When the Society began its doctrinal discussions with the CDF, it assured its members that there would be no talk about regularizing its canonical status until after the doctrinal issues were settled. Now Rome was asking for both at once. Bishop Fellay and his assistants prudently deferred their response to Rome’s proposal until they had the opportunity to consult widely with other SSPX members.

    [...]

    An English-language statement by the Ecclesia Dei Commission dated October 27 announced that “in its most recent official communication (6 September 2012), the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X has indicated that additional time for reflection and study is needed on their part as they prepare their response to the Holy See’s latest initiatives.” The docuмent speaks about “the current stage in the ongoing discussions between the Holy See and the Priestly Fraternity” and cites several “critical steps in this positive process of gradual integration” since 2007.

    [...]

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1726/sspx_dialogue_continues_patience_serenity_perseverance_and_trust_are_needed.aspx



    "...gradual integration since 2007."

    Indeed.


    That quote should be plastered on a banner somewhere. It's one of the most damning indictments yet, because it coincides exactly with the "changes".


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    But - but - but - the 'deal' is off!    :soapbox:


    Suckaahhh!

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    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 03:28:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Columba
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     neutralized an internal threat to its unity.

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1726/sspx_dialogue_continues_patience_serenity_perseverance_and_trust_are_needed.aspx


    What pretty, sanitized language. Translation: kicked out a faithful son of +Lefebvre

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    « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 03:45:14 PM »
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    What pretty, sanitized language. Translation: kicked out a faithful son of +Lefebvre


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    November 06, 2012
    Michael J. Miller

     neutralized an internal threat to its unity.

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1726/sspx_dialogue_continues_patience_serenity_perseverance_and_trust_are_needed.aspx


    What pretty, sanitized language. Translation: kicked out a faithful son of +Lefebvre