The SSPX within the military, battling the perversions of the day I suspect is not what is on the minds of trendy young prospective chaplains. From my experience of them, they crave the company of students and young men and the permissive climate to be found there.This come as no surprise. The attitude of granting the conciliar church and the new order service legitimacy has been with the society since the beginning. They swings between going along and resistance have over time grown much narrower and what remains of the original principles have softened. Its too bad that so many Catholics have fallen asleep lulled by the every so often, updates on the Society's relations with Rome, a process that continues through Bishop Williamson's critical updates on the Society's relations with Rome. Same song, different verse. Honestly, how can you criticize this situation, when you are telling people they can nourish their faith at the Novus Ordo or the indult?. Flexibility is actually weakness of principle and purpose.
But do not be surprised at what the partial-communion position of the Society is capable of accepting. Flexibility has been one of its characteristics.
Very telling. The bar of my amazement at the SSPX's transformation in the Fraternity of St. Peter has been eclipsed again.
Implications:
1) At this moment, there is an SSPX priest participating in a conciliar retreat;
2) In which he is attending a daily Novus Ordo Mass;
3) Receiving Novus Ordo Communion;
4) And who will be concelebrating the Novus Ordo Mass;
5) With the permission of his SSPX superiors;
The SSPX within the military, battling the perversions of the day I suspect is not what is on the minds of trendy young prospective chaplains. From my experience of them, they crave the company of students and young men and the permissive climate to be found there.Hey Wessex what IS your experience with military Chaplains?
But do not be surprised at what the partial-communion position of the Society is capable of accepting. Flexibility has been one of its characteristics.
Last week I had to take two trains, two hours each way to get to the closest Latin Mass that I could find...and this was in northern ITALY of all places. How wonderful would it be to have the True Mass right there on base?
The Military NEEDS to have the Traditional Mass restored to it’s chapels. The chaplaincy makes exceptions for all denominations and all flavors of religion. Let us pray that they allow this priest to enter the Chaplains Corps without compromising the Traditional Catholic faith. Our men and woman in uniform DESPERATELY need it!
Here is a clarification from Archbishop Broglio in a message sent to Sean Johnson:Could it be that this priest is leaving the SSPX?
Dear Mr. Johnson,
Father Cannon referred your message to me.
First of all, your characterization of my statement about priests of the two societies in communion with the Holy See and chaplaincy is simply incorrect.
My statement was that priests in the military must be able to be all things to all people and consequently must be able and willing to celebrate the Mass according to the Third Edition of the Roman Missal.
Secondly, without violating the confidentiality that a priest can expect from any diocese, I can make the following statements:
I missed the detail that the press released contained the names of the dioceses or religious communities of the participants. Normally that information would not be published. I regret my error.
It is unclear to me why you need the clarifications you requested.
Finally, the priest in question desires full communion with the Catholic Church. I have helped many men and some families on that journey and I do not intend to stop now.
Thank you for your interest.
Sincerely in Christ,
+Timothy Broglio
The Most Reverend Timothy P. Broglio
Archbishop for the Military Services, USA
Hey Wessex what IS your experience with military Chaplains?Not so much the military but have ceased to be shocked at what passes for chaplains in UK universities. Going into these institutions would be a horror story for any follower of the true creed and with them adopting all the legalised gender perversions I cannot see any active traditionalist priest ever wanting or being allowed a place there. Which leads us to wonder about the type that would.
I’ve spent and am spending over 20 years in the military. Not once, not once, have I met a chaplain as you described above. Regardless of denomination, they have all been kind compassionate and even COURAGEOUS in the field of battle. Some even risking their very lives to bring comfort and solice to those suffering both physically and spiritually. If you feel “from your experience” that they seriously crave the company of young men what have you done to address this issue? Who did you report this too? What was your proof?
Every chaplain I’ve ever met have been true American Heroes who put themselves in harms way, even gunfire and frontline action, to pray with the wounded and ask for God’s grace.
Last week I had to take two trains, two hours each way to get to the closest Latin Mass that I could find...and this was in northern ITALY of all places. How wonderful would it be to have the True Mass right there on base?Would the "women in uniform" be wearing trousers to Mass?
The Military NEEDS to have the Traditional Mass restored to it’s chapels. The chaplaincy makes exceptions for all denominations and all flavors of religion. Let us pray that they allow this priest to enter the Chaplains Corps without compromising the Traditional Catholic faith. Our men and woman in uniform DESPERATELY need it!
Would the "women in uniform" be wearing trousers to Mass?Shame on you! Your lack of charity is repulsive. Self righteousness is appalling.
Would the "women in uniform" be wearing trousers to Mass?At least they are coming to mass. If they are on duty and they use their break time to go to mass then they are offering a sacrifice. We realize that that is not what is preferred but sometimes we all have to make little sacrifices to save our souls.
Shame on you! Your lack of charity is repulsive. Self righteousness is appalling.A Nation that calls on It's woman to defend it's self, is not a Nation worthy of defence!
A Nation that calls on It's woman to defend it's self, is not a Nation worthy of defence!The U.S. has NEVER “called on woman to defend itself”. NEVER. They were never included in any mandatory draft, not even during Vietnam. Thank goodness Patriotic woman have volunteered to serve in the military since the founding of this Nation.
Before you go jumping my case like you did Wessex's, I do come from a military background. I probably would have persude a military career if it weren't for the perversion of "woman" being allowed to enter the military, and many other reasons as well... it was the primary reason for my father leaving it back in the 50's. What a perversion!
Not so much the military but have ceased to be shocked at what passes for chaplains in UK universities. Going into these institutions would be a horror story for any follower of the true creed and with them adopting all the legalised gender perversions I cannot see any active traditionalist priest ever wanting or being allowed a place there. Which leads us to wonder about the type that would.What in fact the U.S. military's function is, that it serves as the military enforcement arm of the regime, the foot soldiers of international capitol. It has nothing to do with defense of this country. They are a large factor in the spreading of the Luciferian agenda throughout the world. True the soldiers who are used as fodder for the regime need spiritual resources but there can be much more sound counsel, advice, and true sacraments found apart from the military at present. The worship of the military in our society is proof that God has been supplanted by what has become a force of international mercenaries. That the SSPX has chosen to join the conciliar church and service this organization is futher proof of their lack of principle.
Your Hollywood version of men and chaplains under fire makes for good PR and political kudos. I know there is a school that believes warfare is good for its own sake because it can bring out the best in humans in extreme situations ..... but I think I would be asking too many questions for my own good. I am not happy with justifications like "saving the free world" or "preserving liberty" when the opposite seems to be the case. "God is on our side" was once a battle cry ..... but this wild assumption needs updating to have an equally dramatic psychological effect.
What in fact the U.S. military's function is, that it serves as the military enforcement arm of the regime, the foot soldiers of international capitol. It has nothing to do with defense of this country. They are a large factor in the spreading of the Luciferian agenda throughout the world. True the soldiers who are used as fodder for the regime need spiritual resources but there can be much more sound counsel, advice, and true sacraments found apart from the military at present. The worship of the military in our society is proof that God has been supplanted by what has become a force of international mercenaries. That the SSPX has chosen to join the conciliar church and service this organization is futher proof of their lack of principle.Nicely said by someone who has no clue...!!! Some comments don’t deserve a reply...pearls on swine!
Nicely said by someone who has no clue...!!! Some comments don’t deserve a reply...pearls on swine!Hah! You providing us our "freedom?" What a joke! Who was protecting the freedom of those 2- 3 million souls in the Middle East who lost their lives? How many of those that lost their lives, threatend my "freedom?" A big fat ZERO!
You love your freedom to practice your religion as you see fit and then condemn those who put their lives on the line...some even sacrificing it...providing you that freedom!
Idiot!
Hah! You providing us our "freedom?" What a joke! Who was protecting the freedom of those 2- 3 million souls in the Middle East who lost their lives? How many of those that lost their lives, threatend my "freedom?" A big fat ZERO!Ha! There’s some good Lizard People videos on Youtube for you to believe in too. I think there’s a few that’ll show where Elvis is living also! Ha Ha Ha! Oh stop, you’re making my side hurt! Thanks for the laugh! You’re the best!
I think it's time to review the real purpose of the "War on Terror..." should at least call it as it is, War of Terror.
Nicely said by someone who has no clue...!!! Some comments don’t deserve a reply...pearls on swine!Of course I have a clue. The whole picture in fact. What I have said is born out by facts, hard realities. It is you who do not see, you are one of the unfortunates who internalized the flag waving narrative that the regime has fed you. The only freedom that I have is that which the regime grants to me and when it is expedient, that will be gone as well, the military does not provide that freedom. To be clear, those who serve in the lower ranks of the military serve believing that they are keeping us safe, but they are merely pawns of the elite
You love your freedom to practice your religion as you see fit and then condemn those who put their lives on the line...some even sacrificing it...providing you that freedom!
Idiot!
Of course I have a clue. The whole picture in fact. What I have said is born out by facts, hard realities. It is you who do not see, you are one of the unfortunates who internalized the flag waving narrative that the regime has fed you. The only freedom that I have is that which the regime grants to me and when it is expedient, that will be gone as well, the military does not provide that freedom. To be clear, those who serve in the lower ranks of the military serve believing that they are keeping us safe, but they are merely pawns of the eliteHa. Silly Man! Enjoy your bunker as you stay hunched away waiting for the Three Days of Darkness!
Ha. Silly Man! Enjoy your bunker as you stay hunched away waiting for the Three Days of Darkness!
Ha. Silly Man! Enjoy your bunker as you stay hunched away waiting for the Three Days of Darkness!:facepalm:
Hey Wessex what IS your experience with military Chaplains?
I’ve spent and am spending over 20 years in the military. Not once, not once, have I met a chaplain as you described above. Regardless of denomination, they have all been kind compassionate and even COURAGEOUS in the field of battle. Some even risking their very lives to bring comfort and solice to those suffering both physically and spiritually. If you feel “from your experience” that they seriously crave the company of young men what have you done to address this issue? Who did you report this too? What was your proof?
Every chaplain I’ve ever met have been true American Heroes who put themselves in harms way, even gunfire and frontline action, to pray with the wounded and ask for God’s grace.
Last week I had to take two trains, two hours each way to get to the closest Latin Mass that I could find...and this was in northern ITALY of all places. How wonderful would it be to have the True Mass right there on base?
The Military NEEDS to have the Traditional Mass restored to it’s chapels. The chaplaincy makes exceptions for all denominations and all flavors of religion. Let us pray that they allow this priest to enter the Chaplains Corps without compromising the Traditional Catholic faith. Our men and woman in uniform DESPERATELY need it!
The U.S. has NEVER “called on woman to defend itself”. NEVER. They were never included in any mandatory draft, not even during Vietnam. Thank goodness Patriotic woman have volunteered to serve in the military since the founding of this Nation.
Lessons learned from Vietnam was that the best military is a volunteer military. There has not been a draft since. St. Joan of Arc...PRAY FOR US!
St Joan of Arc...Pray for us!
OK, above is a gentle with 20 years of real world experience in the military, telling it how he experienced it himself, from 1998 to present.
Here is another posting, sounds good also, except at the end he adds a new politically correct expression “Our men and woman in uniform DESPERATELY need it!” , instead of saying our fighting men or men in uniform, as it was always said throughout history.
Here the gentleman begins to defend the practice of having women fight in the military side by side with men and even commanding the troops. The gentleman also makes the analogy that todays fighting women in the military have the same roles as the women had since the Revolutionary War. He also implicitly gives his opinion that we lost in Vietnam because it was a drafted Army, that had we had better quality soldiers (like today’s volunteer fighting women), we would have won the Vietnam War.
To me, all the credibility accuмulated by this gentleman in his initial posting, has withered away to nothing. So, much so that I came here to post my observations.
"SSPX Deathwish (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-deathwish/msg617743/#msg617743)"...
Here the gentleman begins to defend the practice of having women fight in the military side by side with men and even commanding the troops. The gentleman also makes the analogy that todays fighting women in the military have the same roles as the women had since the Revolutionary War. He also implicitly gives his opinion that we lost in Vietnam because it was a drafted Army, that had we had better quality soldiers (like today’s volunteer fighting women), we would have won the Vietnam War. He even asks Joan Of Arc to pray for us.
After creating man, God created woman and determined her mission, namely, that of being man’s companion, helpmeet and consolation…It is a mistake, therefore, to maintain that woman’s rights are the same as man’s. Women in war or parliament are outside their proper sphere and their position. There would be the desperation and ruin of society. Woman, created as man’s companion, must so remain under the power of love and affection, but always under his power. How mistaken, therefore, is that misguided feminism which seeks to correct God’s work. It is like a mechanic trying to correct the signs and movements of the universe. Scripture, and especially the three epistles of St. Paul, emphasizes woman’s dependence on man, her love and assistance, but not her slavery to him. Woman’s duties, however, are not confined within the household’s walls. She has a great social mission, a place in every charitable cause; work to perform on behalf of the sick the suffering and the criminal; the protection of women and children. In this great and common action women should unite and should strive to secure the means necessary to exercise the apostolic injunction of social charity.
To me, all the credibility accuмulated by this gentleman in his initial posting, has withered away to nothing. So much so, that I came here to post my observations.I believe that your "observations" are accurate and justified...
I'm not going to knock Ekim for desiring a good traditional Catholic chaplain, but, how could a Catholic priest deal with this type of phenomenon?
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It would seem that this tolerance of perversion in the US military, is irreconcilable with Catholic Church teachings...
I'm not going to knock Ekim for desiring a good traditional Catholic chaplain, but, how could a Catholic priest deal with this type of phenomenon?That’s dumb...didn’t you’re momma ever teach you not to believe everything you see on the internet?
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It would seem that this tolerance of perversion in the US military, is irreconcilable with Catholic Church teachings...
That’s dumb...didn’t you’re momma ever teach you not to believe everything you see on the internet?Nope.... but I had a papa who taught me how to discern... looks like you'll be happy with a "Bi- Ritual" priest, coming to a barrak near you. I'm saddened by your clouded mind, surely after 20+ years in the military, (as a Trad Catholic?) I would have assumed you would have a better sense about you...
Study (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/study-confirms-women-dont-belong-in-combat/2015/09/13/1a1ec49e-58b6-11e5-9f54-1ea23f6e02f3_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6e5cc17a9f8c) confirms women do not belong in combat.Catholic morality teaches the same thing just as it teaches that a Catholic soldier cannot obey an unjust or an illegal order. How many are there that follow this? Since the U.S. and other militaries have adopted the doctrine of total warfare, this has become a grave concern, as morality and ethics are no longer restraining considerations.
(As if this was not common sense)
Who said they did?
The article states our government ignores the poor combat performance data and insist on keeping the Marines feminized.My apologies. I did not realize the comment was directed at the article itself but rather the banter of the thread.
Is it not another part of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy to undermine our country... or what?
Note: I'd like to see the Marines actual female performance data.
Scores:
1. Hitting the beach from vessel transport for land invasions: 10% effective.
2. Carrying 120lbs of gear over two miles of rugged terrain: 20%.
3. Automatic Rifle Shooting accuracy under enemy fire: 5%
The article states our government ignores the poor combat performance data and insist on keeping the Marines feminized..
Is it not another part of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy to undermine our country... or what?
Note: I'd like to see the Marines actual female performance data.
Scores:
1. Hitting the beach from vessel transport for land invasions: 10% effective.
2. Carrying 120lbs of gear over two miles of rugged terrain: 20%.
3. Automatic Rifle Shooting accuracy under enemy fire: 5%