Author Topic: SSPX Deathwish (Read 5914 times)

M and Liz · « **on:** June 28, 2018, 09:12:55 PM »

SSPX Deathwish

By

Sean Johnson

6/28/18

“What is important is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts…gradually, we must expect further steps…like concelebration.”

-Fr. Georges Cottier, after his triumph over Campos

Introduction:
On June 27, diocesan priest and retired US Navy chaplain, Fr. Kevin Cusick, announced the following on Twitter:
BREAKING: For the first time a SSPX priest joins annual @MilArchUSA discernment retreat for prospective active duty military chaplains.
Yes, you got that right: An SSPX priest (with the apparent consent of his superiors!) is off to a 5-day retreat to consider a conciliar vocation in the US military chaplaincy.
Let that sink in a bit.
Doesn’t sound right?
There must be some mistake?
No, there is no mistake.
The Military Archdiocese of the United States has its own website, and on it you will find this announcement:
Priests attending the June 25-29 retreat are from the dioceses of Burlington, VT; Winona-Rochester, MN; and Marquette, MI; and the Legionnaires of Christ, the Congregation of Jesus and Mary, the Society of St. Pius X, and the Congregation of the Missions.[ii]
In case you wondered just what, precisely, might take place at such a retreat, the US Military Archdiocese was kind enough to give some interesting details:
Staying at the Theological College in Northeast Washington, the priests will gather daily for prayer and the Eucharist…The highlight of the gathering will come on Thursday in the Pentagon Memorial Chapel at the 9/11 crash site, where the priests will concelebrate Mass.[iii]
Feeling a bit faint?
Still hanging onto the hope of some explanation which will make it all better?
You had better sit down.

Conversation with a Military Chaplain:
Shocked and appalled at the flagrant liberalism, I too held within myself the hope of some kind of satisfying explanation:
Perhaps this priest imagines himself to be able to enter the Military Archdiocese and celebrate only the traditional Latin Mass, use exclusively the other traditional sacraments, and so on and so forth.
Yes, surely he had a conversation with Archbishop Broglio,[iv]and they came to some kind of understanding! But wait, that would make this SSPX priest just an indult priest…
Not wanting to speculate any further, I called an old local acquaintance who just happens to be a military chaplain for the last 20+ years (and is also a local indult priest with friends in the US District).
Surely he is the man to ask, and indeed he was.
So I called him.
But what he had to say was not encouraging:
·        All US Catholic military chaplains are subordinate to Archbishop Broglio, while still belonging to their home dioceses or religious orders [i.e., If this priest were to decide to actually join the Military Archdiocese, effectively, the SSPX would agree to “lend” him to the Military Archdiocese, but he will continue to be a member of the SSPX. Don’t lose sight of this critical point!];

·        If one is deployed on active duty [as this priest seems to be interested in doing], Archbishop Broglio’s influence over that priest will be more direct; if in the National Guard or Reserves, his home diocese or religious order will have more sway over him;

·        In order for an SSPX priest to join the military chaplaincy, he would be required to produce a letter from his superiors permitting it. [This implies that if the US District is permitting this priest to consider this conciliar vocation, they are not opposed in principle to his exercising a conciliar apostolate; quite the opposite, as their explicit permission is required];

·        Archbishop Broglio gives an annual military chaplain vocation retreat, and this seems to be the one this SSPX priest is currently attending;

·        According to my acquaintance, (who, again, has been a military chaplain for decades), it is inconceivable that a priest would be admitted into the military chaplaincy, and be permitted to serve less than 1% of those identifying themselves as traditional Catholics; his commanding officers would consider him a “useless priest,” as they would be required to furnish an additional priest to serve the other 99% (which isn’t going to happen).

·        He says there is no precedent for any such arrangement anywhere in the US military chaplaincy, and considers it impossible, not only because of the objections of the various commanding officers, but also because of what he knows of Archbishop Broglio, who despite some conservative characteristics, is certainly not traditional (and as is explained in endnote #4, recently stated that he would “rather have no priests at all, than have traditional priests.” Obviously, such a one would never tolerate this fantasized arrangement.

·        Consequently, my acquaintance stated that, if the report is true that an SSPX priest will be joining the chaplaincy, with the permission of the SSPX, he will definitely be saying the Novus Ordo on a regular basis (with any TLMs being the private exception).

Implications:

So let’s digest this all:

1)     At this moment, there is an SSPX priest participating in a conciliar retreat;

2)     In which he is attending a daily Novus Ordo Mass;

3)     Receiving Novus Ordo Communion;

4)     And who will be concelebrating the Novus Ordo Mass;

5)     With the permission of his SSPX superiors;

That’s appalling to any traditionalist who has not been damaged by the last 7 years of SSPX branding.

But it is still not the worst.

Have you figured it out yet?

It is this:

If this priest should decide to actually join the military chaplaincy, in which by all accounts he will be forced to celebrate predominantly the Novus Ordo Mass, while still remaining a member of the SSPX (albeit “loaned” out to the Military Archdiocese), and with the permission of his superiors, it will represent a new deplorable precedent in the history of the SSPX ralliement:

The SSPX will now have its first officially permitted bi-ritual priest.

And even if something should intervene to forestall this eventuality (and heaven knows it certainly won’t be the complaints of the anesthetized and boiled frogs in the pews!), there is no way to rewind the precedent already set:

The SSPX now allows their priests to attend conciliar retreats; to concelebrate; to actively participate in the Novus Ordo Mass,[v]to receive Novus Ordo Communion.

But nothing has changed!

We won’t compromise!

Rome must accept us as we are!

We have always been at war with Eastasia!

Conclusion:

There is still one escape hatch here for the SSPX: That this priest has determined to leave the SSPX, and consequently what is stated above all misses the target.

God, let it be so!

Please, let it be so!

But in that case, Fr. Cusick’s Tweet was extremely responsible, and the silence of the US District on this point would be so negligent in quashing what little scandal a branded faithful can muster, that it would certainly exonerate any “sour grapes” charges of “rash judgment.”

On the contrary!

In the old days, when high profile departures (voluntary or involuntary) from the SSPX hit the airwaves, the District sprung into action, and explained why the priest in questions’ reasonings were defective.

True, this priest is anonymous to most, but the Tweet made the case high profile, and if it were true that this priest was abandoning the SSPX for the conciliar Church (of which his own SSPX is now ¾ integrated into?). Or is it that, after so much branding, the SSPX dare not publicly recount the reasons why such a course of action for this particular priest will be ruinous to his faith?

Come to think of it, does the SSPX even believe that anymore?

https://twitter.com/MCITLFrAphorism/status/1012008843558178817
[ii]https://archdioceseforthemilitaryservicesusa.createsend.com/campaigns/reports/viewCampaign.aspx?d=d&c=D7BF0B7039F8D419&ID=69A5447128F4E2712540EF23F30FEDED&temp=False&tx=0
[iii]Ibid.
[iv]Archbishop Broglio is the Archbishop in charge of all US Military Chaplains. Incidentally, this is the same Archbishop Broglio who only a year ago stated that he would rather have no priests at all, then have a traditional priest! See here: https://onepeterfive.com/military-archdiocese-better-no-priests-traditional-ones/ In other words, you can put to rest any wishful thinking about Archbishop Broglio carving out a traditional apostolate for this wayward SSPX priest.
[v]Please save me the tired sophism that I defended the very same thing in Bishop Williamson: In that case, we were dealing with a distraught and only partially informed woman; in the present case, we are dealing with a priest, and one who -if we are to believe Menzingen that nothing has changed in the doctrinal formation of the SSPX seminaries- has been formed to know the evils inherent in the new Mass.

2Vermont · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2018, 07:43:26 AM »

Also, according to the Novus Ordo Military Chaplain website, in order to qualify as a military chaplain, a priest "must have a minimum of two years of ordained ministry in a parish". Does the Novus Ordo consider SSPX priestly ministry as ministry in a "parish"? I didn't think so. If not, what does that mean for this particular priest? Would he have to go to a Novus Ordo parish first?

AJNC · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2018, 07:53:54 AM »

So much for all that Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi stuff.

Wessex · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2018, 09:08:54 AM »

The SSPX within the military, battling the perversions of the day I suspect is not what is on the minds of trendy young prospective chaplains. From my experience of them, they crave the company of students and young men and the permissive climate to be found there.

But do not be surprised at what the partial-communion position of the Society is capable of accepting. Flexibility has been one of its characteristics.

JPaul · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2018, 12:11:00 PM »

Quote from: Wessex on June 29, 2018, 09:08:54 AM

The SSPX within the military, battling the perversions of the day I suspect is not what is on the minds of trendy young prospective chaplains. From my experience of them, they crave the company of students and young men and the permissive climate to be found there.

But do not be surprised at what the partial-communion position of the Society is capable of accepting. Flexibility has been one of its characteristics.

This come as no surprise. The attitude of granting the conciliar church and the new order service legitimacy has been with the society since the beginning. They swings between going along and resistance have over time grown much narrower and what remains of the original principles have softened. Its too bad that so many Catholics have fallen asleep lulled by the every so often, updates on the Society's relations with Rome, a process that continues through Bishop Williamson's critical updates on the Society's relations with Rome. Same song, different verse. Honestly, how can you criticize this situation, when you are telling people they can nourish their faith at the Novus Ordo or the indult?. Flexibility is actually weakness of principle and purpose.

Incredulous · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2018, 03:59:38 PM »

Dear faithful... who will you believe?

Sean Johnson:

"The SSPX will now have its first officially permitted bi-ritual priest."

Fr. Niklaus Pfluger,
Speaking of the SSPX Resistance:

"Bold lies... quick to judge, groundless claims... con tricks, speaking contrary to justice and truth...
lost the spirit of our Founder"

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2018, 04:05:57 PM »

"Tee hee... you American faithful are such dummkopfs!"

King Wenceslas · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2018, 05:40:03 PM »

Stick a fork in SSPX and FSSP they are done, through, finished. They will all become conciliarists over time. Get out while you can! On to the catacombs.

This is all showing how truly great a man the Archbishop was.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2018, 06:44:31 AM »

Quote from: M and Liz on June 28, 2018, 09:12:55 PM

Implications:

1) At this moment, there is an SSPX priest participating in a conciliar retreat;

2) In which he is attending a daily Novus Ordo Mass;

3) Receiving Novus Ordo Communion;

4) And who will be concelebrating the Novus Ordo Mass;

5) With the permission of his SSPX superiors;

Very telling. The bar of my amazement at the SSPX's transformation in the Fraternity of St. Peter has been eclipsed again.

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2018, 07:03:16 PM »

Your Goose is cooked.

Ekim · « **Reply #10 on:** July 01, 2018, 06:03:44 AM »

Quote from: Wessex on June 29, 2018, 09:08:54 AM

The SSPX within the military, battling the perversions of the day I suspect is not what is on the minds of trendy young prospective chaplains. From my experience of them, they crave the company of students and young men and the permissive climate to be found there.

But do not be surprised at what the partial-communion position of the Society is capable of accepting. Flexibility has been one of its characteristics.

Hey Wessex what IS your experience with military Chaplains?
I’ve spent and am spending over 20 years in the military. Not once, not once, have I met a chaplain as you described above. Regardless of denomination, they have all been kind compassionate and even COURAGEOUS in the field of battle. Some even risking their very lives to bring comfort and solice to those suffering both physically and spiritually. If you feel “from your experience” that they seriously crave the company of young men what have you done to address this issue? Who did you report this too? What was your proof?
Every chaplain I’ve ever met have been true American Heroes who put themselves in harms way, even gunfire and frontline action, to pray with the wounded and ask for God’s grace.

Ekim · « **Reply #11 on:** July 01, 2018, 06:15:18 AM »

Last week I had to take two trains, two hours each way to get to the closest Latin Mass that I could find...and this was in northern ITALY of all places. How wonderful would it be to have the True Mass right there on base?

The Military NEEDS to have the Traditional Mass restored to it’s chapels. The chaplaincy makes exceptions for all denominations and all flavors of religion. Let us pray that they allow this priest to enter the Chaplains Corps without compromising the Traditional Catholic faith. Our men and woman in uniform DESPERATELY need it!

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2018, 07:15:54 AM »

Quote from: Ekim on July 01, 2018, 06:15:18 AM

Last week I had to take two trains, two hours each way to get to the closest Latin Mass that I could find...and this was in northern ITALY of all places. How wonderful would it be to have the True Mass right there on base?

The Military NEEDS to have the Traditional Mass restored to it’s chapels. The chaplaincy makes exceptions for all denominations and all flavors of religion. Let us pray that they allow this priest to enter the Chaplains Corps without compromising the Traditional Catholic faith. Our men and woman in uniform DESPERATELY need it!

Yes but not with the conciliar Church. They can register as a different group. "Traditional Catholic" or something like that.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #13 on:** July 01, 2018, 07:17:56 AM »

How does M and Liz know this is Sean Johnsons article?

It does not say it on the webpage.

Are you Mrs Johnson M an Liz?

M and Liz · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2018, 11:46:08 AM »

Seriously?

And truthfully I answer:
NO, I AM NOT MRS. JOHNSON.

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