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Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2019, 10:03:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 15, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
    With all these sex scandals, no parent should be sending their girls or even boys to any boarding school.  How can you be a parent?

    The better choice is to homeschool.  
    Nonsense. I know some great guys who are recent grads of La Salette in Illinois. Sending boys to a prep school for high school can be very beneficial  
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    « Reply #16 on: November 15, 2019, 10:38:18 PM »
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    • Most sex abuse victims within Catholic schools are boys.   Traditionally, boys stayed home  to help the family until he was drafted, married or went into the priesthood.   Only rich people sent their children to boarding schools.  

    Everyone is aware that the sspx has had its share of sex abuse scandals too. 





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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #17 on: November 16, 2019, 05:58:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 10:03:42 PM
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    Viva said - With all these sex scandals, no parent should be sending their girls or even boys to any boarding school.  How can you be a parent?

    The better choice is to homeschool.  

    Nonsense. I know some great guys who are recent grads of La Salette in Illinois. Sending boys to a prep school for high school can be very beneficial  
    Nothing is 100%, one can't just say "nonsense" to everything that Viva said. If a parent can really homeschool, it is better than sending a male child away to a boarding school. A boarding school can never compete on the teacher to student ration of homeschooling. Typically, the boys are sent away to boarding school for 9th grade, sometimes earlier. Once they are sent away that most likely will  be the end of them ever living in the home. When they are done with boarding school they will move to another state. Sending a boy away, throwing him out of the home, at 14 years of age is  is very cold. It is typical of the English rich, there really is never a real family relationship developed, the child is treated like a snake. The parents lay the eggs somewhere and the offspring have to fend for themselves. That is not the Spanish, Latino (and Italians and many others) method. Americans need to change that. They spread that mindset to the rest of the world. They need to take a paradigm shift, to think outside of that box. A son needs his father to teach him to be a man, a just, heroic, jump in front of a bullet to save someone man. A boy needs a father to teach him how to work, how to fix everything around the house (cars, lawnmowers, water pumps, electrical, appliances) and do the man things like family accounting. The son needs a father to teach him an occupation for the rest of his life. I do not know of any boarding school that can teach anywhere near all that a good father can teach a son. Then you have the love of the home and parents. Sending away a son is cold hearted, like snakes.

    Now, if the parents do not have the time or the intelligence and knowledge to homeschool, or they consider themselves to be uncultured, and they want their children to rise above them, then boarding school would be the ticket. However, it is still cold. If it were me in the same situation I would look for a local school so the boy comes home everyday and has the family to provide everything else.
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #18 on: November 16, 2019, 07:23:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 15, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
    The proof is that every single girl in the last 5+ years that has been sent to St. Mary's comes back dressed to kill at mass and wears the same clothes as any public school girl during the week. Every single one. That is a fact. What country do you go to mass?
    I live in St. Marys and I have seen this happen to some of the girls.
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    « Reply #19 on: November 16, 2019, 10:12:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on November 16, 2019, 07:23:47 AM
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    LT said: The proof is that every single girl in the last 5+ years that has been sent to St. Mary's comes back dressed to kill at mass and wears the same clothes as any public school girl during the week. Every single one. That is a fact. What country do you go to mass?

    I live in St. Marys and I have seen this happen to some of the girls.
    The girls I am talking about are boarders, they are sent to St. Mary's to go to school, sometimes they live with friends of the family or a relative. Of those boarders,  ALL of them when they come back home on vacation or holidays, they all dress flashy to mass, they are dressed to kill. They wear tight skirts & dresses well above the knees, tight tops and high heal stilettos, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. The rest of the week around town they wear the same clothes as any public school girl short shorts, tight jeans, tank tops, belly exposed, spandex..... They all do the same, I do not know why that is.

    Maybe because they are boarders, they live with other boarders that have been sent away because the parents can't handle them anymore and they pick up bad habits?
    Maybe they are boarders because the parents are wild and want them out of the way, the daughters learned to dress provocatively from the mothers and now contaminate all the boarders?
    Maybe because they are boarders, being new, they learn to "fast track" the acquisition of popularity by showing some skin and being loose with boys?

    Whatever the reason, they all come back the same.

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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #20 on: November 17, 2019, 06:41:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 16, 2019, 10:12:23 AM
    I live in St. Marys and I have seen this happen to some of the girls.

    The girls I am talking about are boarders, they are sent to St. Mary's to go to school, sometimes they live with friends of the family or a relative. Of those boarders,  ALL of them when they come back home on vacation or holidays, they all dress flashy to mass, they are dressed to kill. They wear tight skirts & dresses well above the knees, tight tops and high heal stilettos, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. The rest of the week around town they wear the same clothes as any public school girl short shorts, tight jeans, tank tops, belly exposed, spandex..... They all do the same, I do not know why that is.

    Maybe because they are boarders, they live with other boarders that have been sent away because the parents can't handle them anymore and they pick up bad habits?
    Maybe they are boarders because the parents are wild and want them out of the way, the daughters learned to dress provocatively from the mothers and now contaminate all the boarders?
    Maybe because they are boarders, being new, they learn to "fast track" the acquisition of popularity by showing some skin and being loose with boys?

    Whatever the reason, they all come back the same.
    Yes, I have also seen it happen to the boarder girls too. I do not know who is teaching who to be sensual and immodest, but I know it will not stop until modesty is practiced, preached and enforced.
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #21 on: November 17, 2019, 07:32:00 PM »
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    • Douay-Rheims Bible

    A Call to Prayer
    1I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men: 2For kings and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity. 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, 4Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times. 7Whereunto I am appointed a preacher and an apostle (I say the truth, I lie not), a doctor of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
    8I will therefore that men pray in every place, lifting up pure hands, without anger and contention.
    Instructions to Women
    9In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire: 10But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed; then Eve. 14And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. 15Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #22 on: November 17, 2019, 07:36:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on November 17, 2019, 06:41:20 AM
    Yes, I have also seen it happen to the boarder girls too. I do not know who is teaching who to be sensual and immodest, but I know it will not stop until modesty is practiced, preached and enforced.
    Everyone keep in mind that the school I and the church at St. Mary's are the largest in the world for the SSPX. The schools go from K-12, and then a 2 year college. I believe the parishioner count is 3000+? That is the flagship school, the model school for the SSPX and NOTHING is said a to the girls about the way they are dressing.  

    Mr. G - Feel free to correct me on my numbers or anything else, for you are there 24/7.
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    « Reply #23 on: November 17, 2019, 07:42:44 PM »
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    A woman shall not be clothed with man's apparel, neither shall a man use woman's apparel : for he that doeth these things is abominable before God. 
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #24 on: November 18, 2019, 10:25:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 17, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
    Everyone keep in mind that the school I and the church at St. Mary's are the largest in the world for the SSPX. The schools go from K-12, and then a 2 year college. I believe the parishioner count is 3000+? That is the flagship school, the model school for the SSPX and NOTHING is said a to the girls about the way they are dressing.  

    Mr. G - Feel free to correct me on my numbers or anything else, for you are there 24/7.
    You are correct, although I think the count is now pushing near or past 4,000.
    Here is some additional information, although I cannot verify the actual account but the context is most likely accurate.
    1. The Franciscan Minims came to visit the girls earlier this year or last year and they reportedly said to the girls how disappointed they were in the girls because they had such immodest fashions and did not meet the Catholic standards, especially for a Traditional Catholic. Supposedly a girl or some girls replied to the Sisters something to the effect "no one has told us".
    2. Fr. Rutledge is reportedly to have recently said that the standards of modesty will need to improve…. once the new church is built.

    Here is what I have found out from talking to old-timers:
    Fr. Ramon Angles: Preached against immodesty and enforced the standards in the parish and school.
    Fr. Greigo: Preached against immodesty, but did not follow up with enforcement.
    Fr. Fullerton: Silent and no enforcement.
    Fr. G. Beck: Mostly silent and no enforcement.
    Fr. P. Rutledge: Mostly silent and no enforcement.
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #25 on: November 18, 2019, 11:30:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
    As an aside it’s very unwise to send girls away to boarding school these days. I could understand doing this with a teenaged boy, but girls should not be leaving their parents house until they’re married
    I agree completely.
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    « Reply #26 on: November 18, 2019, 11:35:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on November 18, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
    You are correct, although I think the count is now pushing near or past 4,000.
    Here is some additional information, although I cannot verify the actual account but the context is most likely accurate.
    1. The Franciscan Minims came to visit the girls earlier this year or last year and they reportedly said to the girls how disappointed they were in the girls because they had such immodest fashions and did not meet the Catholic standards, especially for a Traditional Catholic. Supposedly a girl or some girls replied to the Sisters something to the effect "no one has told us".
    2. Fr. Rutledge is reportedly to have recently said that the standards of modesty will need to improve…. once the new church is built.

    Here is what I have found out from talking to old-timers:
    Fr. Ramon Angles: Preached against immodesty and enforced the standards in the parish and school.
    Fr. Greigo: Preached against immodesty, but did not follow up with enforcement.
    Fr. Fullerton: Silent and no enforcement.
    Fr. G. Beck: Mostly silent and no enforcement.
    Fr. P. Rutledge: Mostly silent and no enforcement.
    The OP started as an advice and teaching thread for parents and at the end I only mentioned that it applies to priests too. Then Xavier said that it is not the priests fault, that it is the parents fault.   And I answered that if the priests do not teach the parents who will? From there we got this excellent posting from you.

    So, here we are - At the marque, largest, pretty much SSPX CITY of St. Mary's Kansas, with a parishioner base of 4000 and schools from K-12 and 2 year college, they do not teach the girs how to dress.  

    So, who is going to teach the parents? A Last Tradhican? No, he's a nobody. Unfortunately, the parents will have to learn by osmosis. I think it is a punishment from God the same as Vatican II, a punishment from God upon those that would not listen to the truth, so God will send them what they wanted.

    Anyhow, I will continue with this thread and the Chaperoning threads, for the sake of those priest and parents of good will who have ears to hear.

    It is the 1960's all over again.
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #27 on: November 18, 2019, 11:39:44 AM »
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    • Luke Chapter 13:

    [1] And there were present, at that very time, some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. [2] And he answering, said to them: Think you that these Galileans were sinners above all the men of Galilee, because they suffered such things? [3] No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. [4] Or those eighteen upon whom the tower fell in Siloe, and slew them: think you, that they also were debtors above all the men that dwelt in Jerusalem? [5] No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.

    Do you think the Catholics of the 1950's were THAT MUCH WORSE than we are today, because God punished them with Vatican II?
    NO.

    The same punishment will befall us Trads, which happened to those worldly Catholics of the 1950's.
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #28 on: November 18, 2019, 11:48:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 18, 2019, 11:39:44 AM
    Luke Chapter 13:

    [1] And there were present, at that very time, some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. [2] And he answering, said to them: Think you that these Galileans were sinners above all the men of Galilee, because they suffered such things? [3] No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. [4] Or those eighteen upon whom the tower fell in Siloe, and slew them: think you, that they also were debtors above all the men that dwelt in Jerusalem? [5] No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.

    Do you think the Catholics of the 1950's were THAT MUCH WORSE than we are today, because God punished them with Vatican II?
    NO.

    The same punishment will befall us Trads, which happened to those worldly Catholics of the 1950's.
    The Latin Mass trads today are much worse that the Catholics of the 1950's because the Catholics of the 1950's, the parents of the 1960's, were totally caught by surprise by something till then  unprecedented, a bomb out of nowhere. The trads today have no such excuse, even worse, they have an example in what not to do and they are making the same mistake all over again (Parents and Priests).
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #29 on: November 18, 2019, 12:18:53 PM »
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    • Yesterday at my SSPX parish I heard yet another sermon from the pulpit about nothing that can be applied to how to live a Catholic life. In 10 years I could count on one hand, if that, a clear sermon that I've heard that I could apply to the world I live in. I have not heard a detailed sermon about how women should dress every day, or how single men and women could discern what a good marriage mate will be, or how marriage naturally equals many children and hard work for the parents, or what girls should learn to be good wives, or how men should treat girls, or how men should look at women, or what men should learn and do to be able to obtain/create an occupation to provide for the inevitable large families they will have or have, or how to be wise and frugal with the household expenses to be able to stretch the dollar, how to help your Catholic neighbor sitting next to you at mass...….


    Not a one sermon on how to live the Catholic life. Not a one sermon telling the people what they are doing wrong.


    The successful Protestant "minister" makes a living from telling people what they want hear and the best do it by offending the fewest people. It is an art. The Novus Ordo church has been doing it for 40+ years. They can talk about scripture (and catechism, and teach the names of all of the popes from day one, or what all of the articles on the altar are called.....) for 40+ years  and never once teach anything of importance for living like Catholic in this world. They say that nothing happens by chance in politics. If the SSPX priests are all doing the same thing as the Novus Ordo, then it is not by chance, there is a power behind it.

    I hope the SSPX priests that read this and disagree with what I have said, start proving me wrong by teaching the details of how to live the Catholic life and where we are going wrong.
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