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SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
« on: November 15, 2019, 10:49:38 AM »
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  • SSPX Trad Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.

    The following posting appeared on another thread, here : https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/holy-family-academy-another-scandal-in-phoenix/msg675553/?topicseen#msg675553 which is about a private school that was formed by a liberal group that separated from an SSPX school. . I decided that my posting should have its own thread because it is likely THE MOST IMPORTANT subject for families. To save time, all I will do is to cut and paste the posting as it appeared on the other thread:

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    This is the original posting which bought on my response below
    It appears that the girls were out in public, in this picture, but I do not consider playing in an arena where the scheduled event states that it's a girls' match ... to be public.  You have to buy a ticket to get in.  And the events are not viewable to someone who hasn't entered the arena of his own accord.  Secondly, the degree of immodesty here is something might even be tolerable at Mass. These uniforms are not even close to being gravely immodest.  Even if these girls walked out to the grocery store like this, truly in public, I would consider it a venial violation of modesty at the most.  But with regard to a sport that is clearly billed as a girls' sporting event, I consider this acceptable.  Now, if they were wearing those so-called "spanks" which have their butt cheeks hanging out and leaving little to the imagination, yeah, that would be in appropriate even in the relatively closed venue.  But, really?  These uniforms are just not that bad.  What, because someone can catch a glimpse of knee when they're standing up.  Even that is mitigated by the fact that they are wearing knee pads.
     
     Now, the coach in the picture appears to have an inappropriate skirt on ... without any whatsoever reason to do so.  Now, THAT is a bad example to the girls on the team for sure.  Now, I can see it being a problem if the players' skirts were too long over the knee.  If they were to go down on their knees, the skirt could actually get caught between the floor and their knee and they could be injured.

     
     I bet that their competition was very badly dressed, and the fact that they beat them sends a message that you don't need to dress like that to be competitive.  I think that the excuse for the immodesty in dress is the competitive advantage to be gained from it ... although for girls it's usually an excuse to practice exhibitionism.

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    I learned everything I know from doing it, living it, making mistakes and mostly learning from other peoples mistakes, after all there is only one of me to make mistakes and there are 7 billion others to learn from. I did not learn this from books or other peoples theories.  That said, my analysis of the above posting and really all of the postings on this thread by the same writer (for the above is finally putting everything together) is what I said all along, that the poster does not understand, that for him it is just a silly matter of a few inches of cloth and how it affects men (lusting).  

    Now, the deeper analysis is:

    When a normally very intelligent, analytical, sincere seeker of truth person, like the poster, does a 180 degree on a subject, writing total babble, one has to wonder what happened, what is going on? The answer is pressure, they have a "gun to their heads" and can't write freely as they do on other subjects. For the writer and all of those like him, I have this advise, and it is the only reason why I made this thread:

    This subject has a direct real impact on ones family, specially ones daughters, direct and real impact! Whether the pope is the pope, that Cardinal X is a sodomite, that Bp. Fellay is kissing up to  Bergolio...…. etc. has absolutely no effect on ones family. This does. This is real, and it is in ones face! Do not rationalize this, for it could be the ruin your daughters entire future.

    I see the SSPX trad young girls and their parents step by step re-living exactly what happened in the 1960’s. I’ve already been through this and I know the results. In the 1960’s everyone went to the Latin Mass and Catholic schools, there was no Novus Ordo.   I lived it and saw what happened to young Catholic school girls when they were allowed to imbibed the deadly idea that "showing some legs and not being a prude" is the way to attract boys and to have fun and be popular....It is now 1960's all over again in every detail for the SSPX trad young girls and parents.....All I hear from the SSPX trad girls (6 and up!) is talk about boys, "who is your crush" or "my crush is"..... The SSPX schools and parents are raising boy crazy airheads, all of their self-esteem and their idea of self-worth coming from the boys they attract.   And the parents are just like the parents in the 1960's they see nothing wrong till it is too late and their daughter becomes an unwed mother, or marries or shacks up with a non-Catholic bum and leaves the Church.


    What disturbs me about those volleyball outfits is not a few inches of cloth, it is that those outfits and similar immodest clothes that they wear to mass are just a sign that they are well on the way to slaughter. ….. those clothes are just an indicator that the mothers and daughter have imbibed the deadly idea that "showing some legs and not being a prude" is the way to attract boys and to have fun and be popular. Those clothes are just the tip of the iceberg, just a sign of what is to come. What is to come is daughters going to bars at night "to dance", fornication, pregnancy, abortion or unwed mothers, shot gun weddings to non-Catholic bums, divorce, annulments, 2nd, 3rd 4th marriages (slaughter). I've been there and seen that first hand over and over and over in the 1960's and forward. It is happening right now at SSPX chapels. All because a husband did not have the fortitude to never surrender, the fortitude to use his head. Martyrs for the faith were boiled in oil or cooked on the grill for the faith, today a father is afraid to upset his wife and daughters.

    (*All of the above also applies also to the SSPX priests, for in 10 years I have not heard or read one sermon addressing this all important point.)  








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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #1 on: November 15, 2019, 11:06:25 AM »
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  • another copy and paste:

    In the 1960’s everyone went to the Latin Mass and Catholic schools, you could just go to any church on the corner, the Novus Ordo did not exist. So don't think a Latin Mass and a priest who wears a cassock is going to save your family.   I lived that time and saw what happened to young Catholic school girls when they were allowed to imbibed the deadly idea that "showing some legs and not being a prude" is the way to attract boys and to have fun and be popular. We see today the result of that revolution, scarcely a Catholic left.  It is now 1960's all over again in every detail for the SSPX trad young girls and parents. I see the trad girls about town during the week dressing and living pretty much no different than any public school girls. All I hear from the SSPX trad girls (6 and up!) is talk about boys, "who is your crush" or "my crush is"..... The SSPX schools and parents are raising boy crazy airheads, all of their self-esteem and their idea of self-worth coming from the boys they attract.  And the parents are just like the parents in the 1960's they see nothing wrong till it is too late. How many times do we (parents and SSPX priests) have to see another SSPX schooled young girl become an unwed mother before we to open our eyes and take action?
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #2 on: November 15, 2019, 11:07:36 AM »
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  • Here is a short 4 minute sermon given by Fr. Wathen on the subject. (CI's Stubborn  originally posted it on another thread)  

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ia84vj5ot24vbab/St.%20Agnes.mp3?dl=0
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2019, 11:25:29 AM »
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    (*All of the above also applies also to the SSPX priests, for in 10 years I have not heard or read one sermon addressing this all important point.)  
    You may have missed this explanation by Fr. Peter Scott: "a decree of the Sacred Congregation of the Council of January 18, 1930:
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    His Holiness, Pius XI, has never ceased to inculcate in word and writing that precept of St. Paul (I Tim 2:5, 10) —"Women also in decent apparel; adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety …as it becometh women professing godliness with good works."

    And on many occasions the same Supreme Pontiff has reproved and sharply condemned the immodesty in dress which today is everywhere in vogue; even among women and girls who are Catholics; a practice which does grave injury to the crowning virtue and glory of women, and moreover unfortunately leads not merely to their temporal disadvantage, but, what is worse, to their eternal ruin and that of other souls.

    It is no wonder, then, that bishops and other Ordinaries of places, as becomes ministers of Christ, have in their respective diocese unanimously resisted in every way this licentious and shameless fashion and in doing so have cheerfully and courageously borne the derision and ridicule sometimes directed at them by the ill-disposed….
    There is a second reason why modesty of dress is especially applicable to women over men. It is that there is a special form of immodesty that is characteristic of our modern times, and it is the immodesty of women wearing men’s clothes, most notably pants and shorts. This undermines a woman’s psychological perception of herself, and of her difference from a man, which in turn de-feminizes her, erodes natural respect between men and women, removes the defense to over-familiarity, and eventually degrades the relationships between men and women to the level of sensuality. It is this form of immodesty which is ultimately by far the most destructive of human relationships and of the virtue of purity.

    If, therefore, there is certainly a standard of modesty for men, it must always be remembered that the battle for women’s modesty is both much more crucial and much more difficult to win.

    Real men will, however, teach and lead by their example. If they have a difficult time insisting on the modesty of their wife or daughters, they will remember to practice very precisely all the four kinds of modesty mentioned above, and their admonitions will bear fruit.  [Answered by Fr. Peter R. Scott]" http://archives.sspx.org/Catholic_FAQs/catholic_faqs__morality.htm

    And this article was about someone who complained the Society was too strict on modesty, "Finally, let’s discuss “rigidity.” As opposed to the modern world, I will say unabashedly that the priests of the Society of Saint Pius X take modesty very seriously. It is taught by word and example in the parish and the school. And the priests are not afraid to preach about that subject (though it is not as if this is the topic of continual sermons, either). However, the implication (ended with an exclamation point) that truly minor (though not unimportant) infractions against the virtue of modesty are met with some sort of vitriol, as a matter of course, is absurd." https://angeluspress.org/blogs/blog/virtues-are-inconvenient I believe inculcating modesty and purity is very important, but it must be done in a holistic way.

    Teach children to love Jesus in the Eucharist, to spend time in prayer and before the Blessed Sacrament especially, and the constant efforts necessary in the pursuit of holiness will crowd the temptations to immodesty out. St. Alphonsus recommends the 3 Hail Marys Devotion morning and night, and the frequent invocation of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, as means to preserve chastity and purity. Daily family 15 decades Rosary, wearing the Scapular and being consecrated to the Immaculate Heart likewise are a must. Why was the Samaritan woman in Jn 4 living impurely? Because she never knew the love of God. When she came to God, she gave up sin.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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    (*All of the above also applies also to the SSPX priests, for in 10 years I have not heard or read one sermon addressing this all important point.)  

    You may have missed this explanation by Fr. Peter Scott:

    And this article was about someone who complained the Society was too strict on modesty, "Finally, let’s discuss “rigidity.”
    Fr. Peter Scott was exiled to Australia more than 10 years ago, and I hear that the young girls in the SSPX chapels in Australia dress very modestly and with taste. I'm sure it is the result of many sermons by him and some of the other exiled American priests. It shows what a few priests can accomplish if they do their job.  By their fruits (the way the young girls dress) you will know them (if priests and parents are doing their job).
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
    « Reply #5 on: November 15, 2019, 12:53:34 PM »
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  • I agree. 

    Most men today are ruled by their wives.   
    I was reading corinthians and it made sense. 

      

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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • This happens everywhere. It’s not limited to the SSPX and isn’t the fault of the Society. It has much more to do with the families of the girls in question. The priest at the chapel I attend is Traditional in every regard. ( theologically and on social questions) The teens/kids don’t like him because of it. They see him as too rigid ( because he discourages listening to immoral music, watching immoral movies, and being worldly in general) Being a young man myself, I try to talk to kids at Trad chapels on a regular basis to help them grow in maturity and wisdom( I can relate to them more being closer to their age) The main problem I’ve observed is that families give their kids far too much freedom and access to the internet. I’ve been horrified by some things I’ve heard from kids at Trad chapels, and when I ask them where they hear it or learn it, it’s always the internet. These families homeschool their kids to try and protect them from public schools but give them access to all the filth on the web. It’s ridiculous. This is the fault of families, not the priest. There’s nothing he can do if families don’t embrace Tradition
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • You are very wise. 
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • This happens everywhere. It’s not limited to the SSPX and isn’t the fault of the Society. It has much more to do with the families of the girls in question. …. This is the fault of families, not the priest. There’s nothing he can do if families don’t embrace Tradition
    The OP only mentions priests at the end, it is focused on the Fathers and Mothers. Nevertheless, priests have much to do with it, it is their job to teach the parents and the children and they are not doing it. The SSPX schools have the children from K-12, they have them just as much time or more than the parents, and yet the young girls that are sent to say the St. Mary's Kansas schools, a parish of like 3000+, all come back with that "airhead, boy crazy, show some legs to be popular mindset". They now all wear the same clothes during the week as any public school girls. They were not that way when they were sent to St. Mary's.

    So, you are lucky where you are if you have a priest that is working to convert the parents and young girls, but that is rare in my experience. If the priests do not teach the parents anything, who is? 
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • The OP only mentions priests at the end, it is focused on the Fathers and Mothers. Nevertheless, priests have much to do with it, it is their job to teach the parents and the children and they are not doing it. The SSPX schools have the children from K-12, they have them just as much time or more than the parents, and yet the young girls that are sent to say the St. Mary's Kansas schools, a parish of like 3000+, all come back with that "airhead, boy crazy, show some legs to be popular mindset". They now all wear the same clothes during the week as any public school girls. They were not that way when they were sent to St. Mary's.

    So, you are lucky where you are if you have a priest that is working to convert the parents and young girls, but that is rare in my experience. If the priests do not teach the parents anything, who is?
    I don’t have any first hand experience with St. Mary’s so I can’t say whether you’re right or not. I do know a couple people from there and I’ve heard different things. With 3000 people, you’re going to have variation. I’d have to see proof that the schools aren’t doing their jobs. What you point to could be caused by a number of things. As an aside it’s very unwise to send girls away to boarding school these days. I could understand doing this with a teenaged boy, but girls should not be leaving their parents house until they’re married
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • Fr. Peter Scott was exiled to Australia more than 10 years ago, and I hear that the young girls in the SSPX chapels in Australia dress very modestly and with taste. I'm sure it is the result of many sermons by him and some of the other exiled American priests. It shows what a few priests can accomplish if they do their job.  By their fruits (the way the young girls dress) you will know them (if priests and parents are doing their job).
    Exiled to Australia?  :(  Isn't that his home country....where he was born?
    He was in the U.S. then Canada till Sept 2012 then EXILED to South Africa until this year and I think he's now in Nigeria.
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • I don’t have any first hand experience with St. Mary’s so I can’t say whether you’re right or not. I do know a couple people from there and I’ve heard different things. With 3000 people, you’re going to have variation. I’d have to see proof that the schools aren’t doing their jobs. What you point to could be caused by a number of things. 
    The proof is that every single girl in the last 5+ years that has been sent to St. Mary's comes back dressed to kill at mass and wears the same clothes as any public school girl during the week. Every single one. That is a fact. What country do you go to mass?
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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • As an aside it’s very unwise to send girls away to boarding school these days. ….. girls should not be leaving their parents house until they’re married
    Thank you. That is exactly one of the points I made in my thread : "Paradigm Shift - Chaperoning Daughters" https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/paradigm-shift-chaperoning-daughters/ 

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    Re: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again.
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  • With all these sex scandals, no parent should be sending their girls or even boys to any boarding school.  How can you be a parent?

    The better choice is to homeschool.  
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  •  5 years the gαy agenda has spread rapidly everywhere including trad circles.  

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