Author Topic: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again. (Read 7970 times)

Mr G · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2019, 12:32:52 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 18, 2019, 11:35:07 AM

So, here we are - At the marque, largest, pretty much SSPX CITY of St. Mary's Kansas, with a parishioner base of 4000 and schools from K-12 and 2 year college, they do not teach the girs how to dress.

So, who is going to teach the parents? A Last Tradhican? No, he's a nobody. Unfortunately, the parents will have to learn by osmosis. I think it is a punishment from God the same as Vatican II, a punishment from God upon those that would not listen to the truth, so God will send them what they wanted.

Anyhow, I will continue with this thread and the Chaperoning threads, for the sake of those priest and parents of good will who have ears to hear.

It is the 1960's all over again.

The parents who are able to see the problem are waiting for the Priests to say something and enforce the standards, but some of the Priests are telling the parents to do the teaching and enforcing. And around and around it goes. Then there are others, both Priests and parents, that do not see any problem., and thus the problem is able to spread freely and infect others. Then as the years pass, the lower standards of modesty becomes the norm in the younger generations, including in the minds of future Priests and nuns.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2019, 12:44:20 PM »

As I understand it, this problem does not exist among SSPX Australian girls. Are there any Aussies here to confirm that or does anyone know any SSPX Aussies that they could ask? I know that SSPX Europe is much worse than the USA, many Americans that have gone there told me that only 50% of the women even wear veils, and pants is almost the norm.

Mr G · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2019, 02:14:36 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 18, 2019, 12:44:20 PM

As I understand it, this problem does not exist among SSPX Australian girls. Are there any Aussies here to confirm that or does anyone know any SSPX Aussies that they could ask? I know that SSPX Europe is much worse than the USA, many Americans that have gone there told me that only 50% of the women even wear veils, and pants is almost the norm.

I will try to remember to ask Fr. McDonald how the modesty situation is in Australia and New Zealand next time he returns to Kansas.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #33 on:** November 22, 2019, 03:32:52 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 17, 2019, 07:32:00 PM

Douay-Rheims Bible 1 Timothy 2:1-15

A Call to Prayer
I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men: For kings and for all that are in high station: that we may lead a quiet and a peaceable life in all piety and chastity. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a redemption for all, a testimony in due times. Whereunto I am appointed a preacher and an apostle (I say the truth, I lie not), a doctor of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
I will therefore that men pray in every place, lifting up pure hands, without anger and contention.

Instructions to Women
In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire: But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety

Thank you Viva, I down sized it so it is easier to read.

Seraphina · « **Reply #34 on:** November 24, 2019, 02:58:13 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 18, 2019, 12:18:53 PM

Yesterday at my SSPX parish I heard yet another sermon from the pulpit about nothing that can be applied to how to live a Catholic life. In 10 years I could count on one hand, if that, a clear sermon that I've heard that I could apply to the world I live in. I have not heard a detailed sermon about how women should dress every day, or how single men and women could discern what a good marriage mate will be, or how marriage naturally equals many children and hard work for the parents, or what girls should learn to be good wives, or how men should treat girls, or how men should look at women, or what men should learn and do to be able to obtain/create an occupation to provide for the inevitable large families they will have or have, or how to be wise and frugal with the household expenses to be able to stretch the dollar, how to help your Catholic neighbor sitting next to you at mass...….

Not a one sermon on how to live the Catholic life. Not a one sermon telling the people what they are doing wrong.

The successful Protestant "minister" makes a living from telling people what they want hear and the best do it by offending the fewest people. It is an art. The Novus Ordo church has been doing it for 40+ years. They can talk about scripture (and catechism, and teach the names of all of the popes from day one, or what all of the articles on the altar are called.....) for 40+ years and never once teach anything of importance for living like Catholic in this world. They say that nothing happens by chance in politics. If the SSPX priests are all doing the same thing as the Novus Ordo, then it is not by chance, there is a power behind it.

I hope the SSPX priests that read this and disagree with what I have said, start proving me wrong by teaching the details of how to live the Catholic life and where we are going wrong.

Somebody IS preaching this, but he's not Catholic. A colleague at work sent me her husband's sermon from last Sunday. He is the pastor of an Independent Baptist church.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #35 on:** July 09, 2021, 02:49:15 AM »

I bring back this thread that accompanied the chaperoning thread.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #36 on:** July 09, 2021, 05:39:57 AM »

Get rid of cell phones. They don’t need them. They are targeting children with anti Christian agenda full force. It gets worse when they join communist twisted forums to play games and chat with communists.

Matthew · « **Reply #37 on:** July 09, 2021, 09:30:13 AM »

This is an important topic. Much more important than the status of the recent Popes, and academic/useless questions like "how many does God save who aren't physically baptised" or "can an ignorant person get grace by going to the Novus Ordo"?

I'll save you a lot of time:

Baptism of Desire? How about we recommend to ALL converts that they need to convert to the (traditional) Catholic Faith, and receive water Baptism.

Grace possible in Novus Ordo? How about we recommend to ALL we encounter that the Conciliar Church be completely abandoned, even if it means staying at home. If they don't follow our advice, there's nothing we can do about it. Whether they end up in heaven, hell, or purgatory -- it's beyond our control. If they won't follow our Trad good advice, they are out of our hands. We have to do OUR job which is to call Vatican II a superheresy and the Conciliar Church a false religion that was founded in 1965. The Novus Ordo is defective and ALWAYS dangerous; we have 50 years of proof what it does to Catholics.

Proselytize · « **Reply #38 on:** July 10, 2021, 09:42:09 AM »

Mr. G,
Some years back it was reported tha Fr. Beck was giving all of the Sunday sermons for each Mass, is that true or still the case?

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #39 on:** July 10, 2021, 09:47:50 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on July 09, 2021, 09:30:13 AM

This is an important topic. Much more important than the status of the recent Popes, and academic/useless questions like "how many does God save who aren't physically baptized" or "can an ignorant person get grace by going to the Novus Ordo"?

In short you have it. The long of it is:

Quote

Last Tradhican said - Yesterday at my SSPX parish I heard yet another sermon from the pulpit about nothing that can be applied to how to live a Catholic life. In 10 years I could count on one hand, if that, a clear sermon that I've heard that I could apply to the world I live in. I have not heard a detailed sermon about how women should dress every day, or how single men and women could discern what a good marriage mate will be, or how marriage naturally equals many children and hard work for the parents, or what girls should learn to be good wives, or how men should treat girls, or how men should look at women, or what men should learn and do to be able to obtain/create an occupation to provide for the inevitable large families they will have or have, or how to be wise and frugal with the household expenses to be able to stretch the dollar, how to help your Catholic neighbor sitting next to you at mass...….

Not a one sermon on how to live the Catholic life. Not a one sermon telling the people what they are doing wrong.

The successful Protestant "minister" makes a living from telling people what they want hear and the best do it by offending the fewest people. It is an art. The Novus Ordo church has been doing it for 40+ years. They can talk about scripture (and catechism, and teach the names of all of the popes from day one, or what all of the articles on the altar are called.....) for 40+ years and never once teach anything of importance for living like Catholic in this world. They say that nothing happens by chance in politics. If the SSPX priests are all doing the same thing as the Novus Ordo, then it is not by chance, there is a power behind it.

I hope the SSPX priests that read this and disagree with what I have said, start proving me wrong by teaching the details of how to live the Catholic life and where we are going wrong.

Matthew · « **Reply #40 on:** July 10, 2021, 10:16:40 AM »

I'm in the Resistance today (a.k.a. "Old School SSPX") because the SSPX priests I knew did precisely what you suggest. But unfortunately, they are rare, unappreciated when they do their jobs thus, and many are sent to the Missions in third world countries to please the lukewarm "trads" in the American chapels who were complaining.

And unfortunately, that group is growing larger all the time. Sanctity in the SSPX is becoming rarer, and requiring more and more PERSONAL individualism and initiative to achieve. In other words, it's not thanks to the priest -- just the person and God (with perhaps some heavenly intercessors in the mix).

Remember, there were holy people who knew and lived the Faith in the Novus Ordo too -- thanks to buying and reading TAN books in their personal time. It wasn't thanks to their Novus Ordo parish or the priest there. If they become holy, it was IN SPITE OF their parish, IN SPITE OF Vatican II, not because of it.

The same is becoming true of the SSPX.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2021, 11:36:23 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on July 09, 2021, 09:30:13 AM

Baptism of Desire? How about we recommend to ALL converts that they need to convert to the (traditional) Catholic Faith, and receive water Baptism.
...
We have to do OUR job which is to call Vatican II a superheresy and the Conciliar Church a false religion that was founded in 1965.

I hear what you're saying, but very few people understand that the theological issues surrounding "BoD" are absolutely crucial to whether we actually CAN call out Vatican II as a "superheresy." Depending on what you believe about BoD, you fundamentally might believe all the same things that Vatican II taught. If that's the case, then we have no theological leg to stand on in rejecting and condemning Vatican II. So this is not merely a theoretical issue; it has some very real practical implications in terms of whether or not we can justify our separation from the putative hierarchy of the Church.

bodeens · « **Reply #42 on:** July 10, 2021, 01:28:35 PM »

Probably the only reason BoD is even debated is because the EENS dogma was weakened. None of these people writing on BoD like Alphonsus had a modernist understanding of EENS so it was a nonissue.

The only reason people are arguing about Atheists being saved etc is because EENS is nonexistent in the VII sect and weakened elsewhere to the point of these concessions being made. I honestly think people would fear going to NO if they truly believed EENS + understood Pius V on the Mass.

Mr G · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2021, 01:42:09 PM »

Quote from: Proselytize on July 10, 2021, 09:42:09 AM

Mr. G,
Some years back it was reported tha Fr. Beck was giving all of the Sunday sermons for each Mass, is that true or still the case?

Fr. Beck was giving the same sermon each Mass on Sunday once a month, but not every Sunday of the month. Fr. Beck has been gone from Saint Marys for some years, so I do not know if he is doing that now in Post Falls.

bodeens · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2021, 01:56:23 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on July 09, 2021, 05:39:57 AM

Get rid of cell phones. They don’t need them. They are targeting children with anti Christian agenda full force. It gets worse when they join communist twisted forums to play games and chat with communists.

^^^^
THIS.
When I was a kid I wasn't allowed a pager or phone. Dad bought an encyclopedia for the family computer one year and he'd sit down and look at it with me. If we're going to use technology we have to harness it for good. Some technologies are just demonic portals (phones). Think about apps popular with kids: "Discord" is a top app across ALL systems run by C0mmun1$t furr13s and is used as a grooming platform. People are allowing their young children to communicate on these platforms. I guarantee these kids are being allowed access to cell phones etc when they should be banned from the school, being exposed to all kinds of filth without their fathers being involved.

Author Topic: SSPX Daughters Being Lost to the World, 1960’s All Over Again. (Read 7970 times)

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