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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2021, 01:20:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 07, 2021, 01:09:38 PM
    Why yes, yes it is.  Well, at least it was during the first few conferences he gave on video.  I haven't read his book to determine whether he's changed it at all.
    Nor did you accept his explicit, laughing written denial when I posted it on this forum.
    You see, Ladislaus can make people be whatever he wants them to be, even when they reject the positions he attributes to them.
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #16 on: May 07, 2021, 11:51:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 07, 2021, 09:37:05 AM
    Fr. Chazal makes no mention of dogmatic; he mentions only sedes, calls their position “real scandal,” and allows them to attend if they keep their mouths shut about it.
    Same reason I’m allowed to continue attending SSPX Masses when the Resistance is not around,
    I guess my point is if sedevacantism is straight up schism or heresy it's adherents shouldn't be allowed to commune.  Anyone, as far as I know, can ATTEND a mass, a Lutheran or calvinist could ATTEND but they couldn't commune
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #17 on: May 08, 2021, 07:06:15 AM »
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    • I recall Fr. Chazal saying, in his really long video about Sedeism, that while sedevacantists are allowed to attend his bamboo seminary, they always end up leaving. I don't recall why they left. 

    Fr. Chazal has that rare gift of charity towards all, but he is also very forthright about telling it like it is. Much like Bp. Williamson. 
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #18 on: May 08, 2021, 09:40:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on May 08, 2021, 07:06:15 AM
    I recall Fr. Chazal saying, in his really long video about Sedeism, that while sedevacantists are allowed to attend his bamboo seminary, they always end up leaving. I don't recall why they left.

    Fr. Chazal has that rare gift of charity towards all, but he is also very forthright about telling it like it is. Much like Bp. Williamson.

    It's interesting that he even allowed them in his seminary.  Archbishop Lefebvre also allowed them, for the most part, except for the Nine, but as I have said, not all of them were sedevacantists, and the reason for their objections were primarily annulments, the validity of NO orders, and the imposition of the 1962 Missal.
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #19 on: May 08, 2021, 10:22:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2021, 09:40:14 AM
    It's interesting that he even allowed them in his seminary.  Archbishop Lefebvre also allowed them, for the most part, except for the Nine, but as I have said, not all of them were sedevacantists, and the reason for their objections were primarily annulments, the validity of NO orders, and the imposition of the 1962 Missal.
    Yes, Lefebvre allowed sedes in the seminary....as long as they signed the 1981 pledge denouncing and abjuring sedevacantism, and promising to pray for the pope in each mass when ordained. :facepalm: :jester:
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #20 on: May 08, 2021, 10:34:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 08, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
    Yes, Lefebvre allowed sedes in the seminary....as long as they signed the 1981 pledge denouncing and abjuring sedevacantism, and promising to pray for the pope in each mass when ordained. :facepalm: :jester:

    That was only in effect for a couple years.  Did you have to sign an anti-sedevacantist pledge at STAS?  I know I didn't.  Even though I wasn't a sedevacantist, there were several who were known to be such while I was there, including Robert Neville (now a sedevacantist bishop) and Terrence Fulham (RIP) who also became a sedevacantist bishop.  They were known to be sedevacantists while I was there.  And there was no such pledge needed to be signed.  I never signed anything.  Perhaps there was something out there that had to be signed before Major Orders.  But not just to be at the seminary.
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #21 on: May 08, 2021, 12:14:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2021, 10:34:51 AM
     Did you have to sign an anti-sedevacantist pledge at STAS? 
    He went "next level" as they say and decided to get a tattoo.
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
    « Reply #22 on: June 09, 2021, 12:27:11 PM »
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    • We are from Malaysia and we will inform you all of this horrid event.
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    Re: SSPX Crisis in Malaysia - Fr. Chazal speaks
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    • 3. The priest can expel people who are causing scandal, but what we mean is actual scandal like immodesty, talk against the faith, sedevacantism (even there, no sede should be disturbed if he is courteous) etc.

    Three people were expelled temporarily on the 24th of May 2020 under the excuse of having a "bad spirit". When they asked the priest of the evidence that he had purportedly  collected, he, the priest refused to show them and refused to explain what wrong they had done. A sermon on pharaisism in the chapel was given on the same day the three were expelled. The letters showed almost an identical content of the sermon. The letter stated that the priest found evidence the three of having uttered criticisms of the priests, the faithful and the management and activities of the chapel. In short it was an absolute tyranny. 
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