If there is evil, suffering, and chaos in Tradition, it's from LACK OF VIRTUE.

And the priests need to look at themselves too. They need enough humility to EAT CROW and admit publicly that they were wrong, or that they have just realized (woken up to) some truth. For example, the need to leave group X or start supporting group Y or priest Z. Why can't more priests and laymen do this? Aren't we in love with God, and with Truth? Why can't priests be men of principle and always put God first? If they can't put God first, how can they expect laymen to?

What have we been opposing the world for, giving up millions of dollars we could have made doing unsavory things, etc.? Why go through so much trouble, so much sacrifice to be faithful Traditional Catholics, and then abandon God at the LAST MINUTE for such a small, pathetic payoff?

I just don't understand it.

I understand the folly of worldlings; they want pleasure. They seek money, fame, pleasure, power -- not thinking about their soul. Trying to ignore their conscience, keep busy and distracted, etc. That at least makes sense.

But once you've cast all that off, given up SO MUCH -- why not go all-in? Why risk your eternal salvation, and for what? Saving face? Your pride? The devil must be laughing.

I ask everyone to consider these words. It's not just the SSPX or its priests, either. I've seen other groups "wake up" to the evils in Rome for example, and even if they become essentially Sedevacantist, they don't want to call themselves that or join with other Sedevacantists, because "I still hate sedevacantists as I always have for years." -- even though they've essentially awakened, changed their position, and are de-facto sedevacantist now (i.e., they believe the Chair of Peter is vacant). So what's the problem with just joining the Sedevacantists? Because they're an existing group. These newcomers are TOO SPECIAL to fit into any existing categories. Once they condemn something, they can't join it later, without admitting they were objectively wrong. They are apparently not perfect. NOPE! That's a bridge too far for THEIR pride.

Or, thousands of Novus Ordo Catholics who wake up to the evils of Vatican II, and the need to preserve Tradition -- but they don't want to join "those radical Traditionalist Catholics" even though they are essentially Trad themselves. No, they still hold to the hatred they used to have for Trad Catholics. So they come up with some bogus new category which they place themselves in. Because, again, they are just too DAMN special.

Pathetic.

As any old-time trad can affirm, those aligned with the SSPX were for the most part excited, joyous, and eager when Msgr. Lefebvre announced his intention to consecrate bishops in 1987. Further, the names of the consecrandi were announced soon after.

For the forthcoming 2026 consecrations, my own reaction is ... well ... meh. I have no excitement, no joy, and I really could not care less. The whole affair seems anticlimactic, almost like forced theatre. And where are the names of the priests to be consecrated? Where are the denunciations of the occupant of the See of Peter and those in positions of authority in Rome for being Antichrists?

Chirp ... chirp ... chirp  YAWN!

But first a meeting with Toucho

Okay, who did this? 😏 | Barnhardt

Abp. Lefebvre negotiated with Ratzinger, who at least had a respectable appearance, but this "Tucho" fellow has a kind of obscene gaze that makes it kind of scary to look at his eyes. You can clearly see that there is something wrong in there, in his head.

It is kind of ridiculous and dystopian at the same time to think that the SSPX superior will talk to this man about consecrating Catholic bishops.

Surely a married man would never go to this freak for marital advice, yet the SSPX is going to go to him about consecration advice?  Total waste of time talking to this guy. Consecrate about 10 bishops and be done with it.  

But it isn't humility to say "I don't know what is going on with the Church" out of one side of your mouth...

And then,

out the other side of their mouth one says, "My club is right, join my group or you are proud."

See the contradiction?

Sure, that straw man is weak, let me easily slash him in half with my sword!

Too bad that's a straw man of "me" and my position.

Go learn reading comprehension, and read more than 3 of my posts, and maybe you'll get a clue.

The first sentence is 100% me. The second sentence I've never uttered online or offline. Not just I haven't uttered it, but any similar sentence with that sense or meaning.

You can't find a quote of me saying that ANYWHERE, on my podcast, on CathInfo, or anywhere else.

I'm waiting. *crickets*

Let me guess -- don't tell me -- you think I said that in THIS thread?

Let me clarify --

I was calling those proud who refuse to join a group they formerly attacked or hated. One of my examples was sedevacantists! Yes, I used the Resistance as another example. But I was not saying "Join the Resistance or you're proud!"

If that's what you got out of my post, then your brain doesn't work.

I was pointing out how crazy it was that SSPX priests, if forced to admit problems with the SSPX, would become Sedevacantist or anything OTHER than Resistance, because they already considered and rejected that path. Even if they left the SSPX and became de-facto Resistance ("Classic SSPX"), they would just call themselves "independent" and proceed to have no contact with any Resistance bishops/priests. Some might even retire and/or leave the priesthood. And why? Because they just can't bring themselves to say "I'm sorry" or "Thank you for leading the charge." People do this all the time, with many different groups and movements. This pride is a sad fact of human nature.

I was attacking those who awaken to some new situation or truth, and rather than apologizing or admitting they were wrong/deceived, they attempt to create a new group/name/category just for them, because they are just too special. But obviously they are not special -- just proud.

Heck, I even see some of this in myself. When forced to admit how bad Trump is, I am quick to distinguish myself from the early "Never Trumpers" and especially all those insane leftists who had Trump Derangement Syndrome. Those who screamed into the sky and freaked out after he won the presidency for the first and/or second time. But in a way, they were correct -- even if they were only accidentally correct (because they are, in fact, emotionally unhinged, literally insane dupes).