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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX consecrations announced
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 02:06:44 PM »
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  • Father Paul Robinson is computer engineer by training.

    His social queues are lacking and he has alienated more trads that any other SSPX priest I know. 

    While he's fully committed to the corporation, his mastery of the "faux pas" lowers his credibility to be  Bishop.


    So, I really don't think his alienation of Trads can be attributed to lack of social skills, but rather to his Modernistic teaching, gaslighting of people with solid Catholic faith (deriding them as "Biblicists", as if Sacred Scripture had become a dirty word) ... and his refusal to sign religious extemption statements for Catholics who requested them during the Plandemic.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 02:21:58 PM »
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  • From today's sermon by the Superior General

    Source
    Can someone give an explanation about this quote , from above?:

     ''The Catholic Church does not exist in the clouds. The Catholic Church exists in souls. It is souls that constitute the Church ...''
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    https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html
    Pius XII.
    ''...6. Again, as in nature a body is not formed by any haphazard grouping of members but must be constituted of organs, that is of members, that have not the same function and are arranged in due order; so for this reason above all the Church is called a body, that it is constituted by the coalescence of structurally untied parts, and that it has a variety of members reciprocally dependent. It is thus the Apostle describes the Church when he writes: "As in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office: so we being many are one body in Christ, and everyone members one of another." [16]

    17. One must not think, however, that this ordered or "organic" structure of the body of the Church contains only hierarchical elements and with them is complete; or, as an opposite opinion holds, that it is composed only of those who enjoy charismatic gifts - though members gifted with miraculous powers will never be lacking in the Church. That those who exercise sacred power in this Body are its chief members must be maintained uncompromisingly. It is through them, by commission of the Divine Redeemer Himself, that Christ's apostolate as Teacher, King and Priest is to endure. At the same time, when the Fathers of the Church sing the praises of this Mystical Body of Christ, with its ministries, its variety of ranks, its officers, it conditions, its orders, its duties, they are thinking not only of those who have received Holy Orders, but of all those too, who, following the evangelical counsels, pass their lives either actively among men, or hidden in the silence of the cloister, or who aim at combining the active and contemplative life according to their Institute; as also of those who, though living in the world, consecrate themselves wholeheartedly to spiritual or corporal works of mercy, and of those in the state of holy matrimony. Indeed, let this be clearly understood, especially in our days, fathers and mothers of families, those who are godparents through Baptism, and in particular those members of the laity who collaborate with the ecclesiastical hierarchy in spreading the Kingdom of the Divine Redeemer occupy an honorable, if often a lowly, place in the Christian community, and even they under the impulse of God and with His help, can reach the heights of supreme holiness, which, Jesus Christ has promised, will never be wanting to the Church.
    18. Now we see that the human body is given the proper means to provide for its own life, health and growth, and for that of all its members. Similarly, the Savior of mankind out of His infinite goodness has provided in a wonderful way for His Mystical Body, endowing it with the Sacraments, so...''

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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 03:03:23 PM »
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  • Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 03:15:21 PM »
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  • Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"
    This doesn't surprise me one bit.

    The announcement has given the SSPX a huge bargaining chip.

    The consecrations haven't taken place yet.  It's a long time between now and July.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 04:14:10 PM »
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  • Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"

    He said he would like to meet, rather than he will meet.
    To be clear. You would expect him to say that.


    But man the SSPX are weak and effeminate.

    Its so truly pathethic.

    Like we have enough problems with our own not getting the fight.

    But the SSPX are truly in another universe of fαɢɢօtry.


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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 04:21:17 PM »
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  • Can someone give an explanation about this quote , from above?:

    ''The Catholic Church does not exist in the clouds. The Catholic Church exists in souls. It is souls that constitute the Church ...''
    ******

    https://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi.html
    Pius XII.
    ''...6. Again, as in nature a body is not formed by any haphazard grouping of members but must be constituted of organs, that is of members, that have not the same function and are arranged in due order; so for this reason above all the Church is called a body, that it is constituted by the coalescence of structurally untied parts, and that it has a variety of members reciprocally dependent. It is thus the Apostle describes the Church when he writes: "As in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office: so we being many are one body in Christ, and everyone members one of another." [16]

    17. One must not think, however, that this ordered or "organic" structure of the body of the Church contains only hierarchical elements and with them is complete; or, as an opposite opinion holds, that it is composed only of those who enjoy charismatic gifts - though members gifted with miraculous powers will never be lacking in the Church. That those who exercise sacred power in this Body are its chief members must be maintained uncompromisingly. It is through them, by commission of the Divine Redeemer Himself, that Christ's apostolate as Teacher, King and Priest is to endure. At the same time, when the Fathers of the Church sing the praises of this Mystical Body of Christ, with its ministries, its variety of ranks, its officers, it conditions, its orders, its duties, they are thinking not only of those who have received Holy Orders, but of all those too, who, following the evangelical counsels, pass their lives either actively among men, or hidden in the silence of the cloister, or who aim at combining the active and contemplative life according to their Institute; as also of those who, though living in the world, consecrate themselves wholeheartedly to spiritual or corporal works of mercy, and of those in the state of holy matrimony. Indeed, let this be clearly understood, especially in our days, fathers and mothers of families, those who are godparents through Baptism, and in particular those members of the laity who collaborate with the ecclesiastical hierarchy in spreading the Kingdom of the Divine Redeemer occupy an honorable, if often a lowly, place in the Christian community, and even they under the impulse of God and with His help, can reach the heights of supreme holiness, which, Jesus Christ has promised, will never be wanting to the Church.
    18. Now we see that the human body is given the proper means to provide for its own life, health and growth, and for that of all its members. Similarly, the Savior of mankind out of His infinite goodness has provided in a wonderful way for His Mystical Body, endowing it with the Sacraments, so...''



    It's all modernist ambiguity, which is sinful.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #36 on: Yesterday at 05:27:14 PM »
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  • Father Pagliarani already walking it back, with reports that he "would meet with the Pope before the consecrations to hash out the negotiations"
    Perhaps the SSPX and Pope Leo can eventually come to an agreement. This stage may just be a point in the negotiations. But if not, perhaps they’ll go ahead and consecrate regardless. I don’t share the opinion of some of my friends that the SSPX are in schism. The church is in crisis and we are all responding in our own way. It’s not black and white (unless you’re autistic), it’s nuanced. I’m not expecting a lot of agreement on this group and I haven’t the time or patience Boru had to debate. Nor have I her extensive theological knowledge. Though she seems to have vanished recently!!

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 05:56:17 PM »
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  • ...Boru had to debate. Nor have I her extensive theological knowledge. Though she seems to have vanished recently!!
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 06:36:54 PM »
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  • Perhaps the SSPX and Pope Leo can eventually come to an agreement. This stage may just be a point in the negotiations. But if not, perhaps they’ll go ahead and consecrate regardless. I don’t share the opinion of some of my friends that the SSPX are in schism. The church is in crisis and we are all responding in our own way. It’s not black and white (unless you’re autistic), it’s nuanced. I’m not expecting a lot of agreement on this group and I haven’t the time or patience Boru had to debate. Nor have I her extensive theological knowledge. Though she seems to have vanished recently!!

    They could easily have just released this statement as ...

    1) a trial balloon to see how SSPX laity would react

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    2) just get Prevost's attention

    That's if you believe there's a real adversarial relationshi between SSPX and the Prevost administration, rather than just a Kayfabe they're putting on to give the SSPX laity the IMPRESSION that the two are somehow at odds.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 08:46:26 PM »
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  • I see no good reason for a statement like this, without any details. My opinion is that they just did it to see how people react. Be it Leo, be it their faithful. If the reactions are very bad, they might just pretend it has never happened.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 09:13:17 PM »
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  • They are walking the tightrope now as they need bishops and putting it out this far in advance gives them room to maneuver, in their minds at least.  They need bishops, want to be with the New Theology/Masonic/Modernist/Communist/Protestant/H o m o/Meltdown crowd, and don't want to end up excommunicated, watching the last couple of decades wash down the drain.  I guess those are the problems you get when you don't quite know which theology you're defending. Modernist Conciliar or Roman Catholic???


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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #41 on: Yesterday at 09:27:10 PM »
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  • I see no good reason for a statement like this, without any details. My opinion is that they just did it to see how people react. Be it Leo, be it their faithful. If the reactions are very bad, they might just pretend it has never happened.

    Yeah, that's why I said ... trial ballon for both the laity and then also for Prevost. 

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
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  • What I find most repulsive is all the smells-and-bells pseudo-Trad Motarians swarming in full force denouncing SSPX for "schism".  It's disgusting to watch them committing sins akin to those against the Holy Spirit by calling good evil and evil good, apostates Catholic and Catholics apostate.  They're scuм worse than the actual evil destroyers intent upon destroying, since at least they are not lukewarm and needing to be vomited forth from their mouth.  I at least respect the destroyers that way.

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #43 on: Today at 12:12:02 AM »
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  • Yeah, that's why I said ... trial ballon for both the laity and then also for Prevost.

    I noticed the scant information too. It is a strategy I think indeed too. It reminds me of when the U.S. SSPX website gave the news about the abuse of Fr. Rostand but without naming him like the French SSPX website did.

    It is perhaps a complex strategy where the SSPX saves face by looking strong to hardliners in some way yet since nothing much has been revealed, there are things behind the scenes that might be different. 

    It is also the fact that they wait so many months to do the consecrations if they claim a state of necessity especially as well as not even naming who are the candidates and how many yet. 
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #44 on: Today at 12:39:03 AM »
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  • I noticed the scant information too. It is a strategy I think indeed too. It reminds me of when the U.S. SSPX website gave the news about the abuse of Fr. Rostand but without naming him like the French SSPX website did.

    It is perhaps a complex strategy where the SSPX saves face by looking strong to hardliners in some way yet since nothing much has been revealed, there are things behind the scenes that might be different.

    It is also the fact that they wait so many months to do the consecrations if they claim a state of necessity especially as well as not even naming who are the candidates and how many yet.

    I see nothing complex about it. It actually looks quite simple and childish. Perhaps it will fool the naive people who see their leaders as some sort of wise gurus, but not the more experienced and alert.