Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: SSPX consecrations announced  (Read 2272 times)

1 Member and 5 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline MiracleOfTheSun

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 935
  • Reputation: +395/-150
  • Gender: Male
Re: SSPX consecrations announced
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 08:44:23 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • They will be Fellay-like youngsters that are easily controlled, but energetic enough to do the tasks of their bishops worldwide. They won't consecrate any Lefebvres/Williamsons

    Can't afford to let the money train dry up.  

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 48378
    • Reputation: +28560/-5349
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 08:55:11 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • So, yes, they'll be younger, so they have more energy to travel, but it can't be someone who's merely easily controlled due to being young.  After some time being a bishop, and corresponding to the grace of God, he might get "too big for his britches".

    No, he'll have to be controllable either because they have the goods on him or because he was an infiltrator to begin with.

    Recall the last time that names were being tossed around, and they were among the most Modernist you can find.

    I'd fear a Father Paul Robinson, exept that they probably need someone who's multi-lingual.  Father Robinson I think speaks a bit of French, but not much else.

    I suspect they'd need someone who's at least moderately proficient in French, English, Spanish, and German ... and possibly also Italian given that they'd be in contact with Rome going forward.

    Who fits that description?


    Online Seraphina

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4653
    • Reputation: +3498/-379
    • Gender: Female
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 09:01:47 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I'd fear a Father Paul Robinson, exept that they probably need someone who's multi-lingual.  Father Robinson I think speaks a bit of French, but not much else.

    I suspect they'd need someone who's at least moderately proficient in French, English, Spanish, and German ... and possibly also Italian given that they'd be in contact with Rome going forward.

    Who fits that description?
    What about Latin?  A working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew wouldn’t harm, either! 

    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 33532
    • Reputation: +29833/-628
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 09:07:45 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • It's not just the excommunication from Rome -- what about the vocal criticism from the SSPX when the first 2 Resistance bishops were consecrated?

    The blasted hypocrites. If it weren't for hypocrisy, the neo-SSPX wouldn't have any actions at all.
    Want to say "thank you"? 
    You can send me a gift from my Amazon wishlist!
    https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

    My accounts (Paypal, Venmo) have been (((shut down))) PM me for how to donate and keep the forum going.

    Offline Romulus

    • Supporter
    • ***
    • Posts: 527
    • Reputation: +332/-62
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 09:08:49 AM »
  • Thanks!4
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Father" David Fulton is proficient in Spanish, they'd only need an English/Spanish speaker to cover the Americas and have other European priests to cover the rest of the world. However I doubt they'd pick him because he "found tradition" so recently.

    However it brings up the consideration of them deliberately picking a Novus Ordo ordained Society priest to be consecrated, imagine how much doubt that will throw on anything coming from the Society. It would be Hounder Oils 2.0 but much more devastating and lasting. I wouldn't it past them to deliberately contaminate the Lefebvre lineage with Novus Ordo antics.


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 48378
    • Reputation: +28560/-5349
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 09:23:28 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Just consider a moment this type of reponse on X ... to show the mentality of today's SSPX-attending laity ..
    Quote
    Plese, father Pagliarini. Do not do it! It would be a risk for all the church. Be patient! All the people that love the Traditional Latin Mass would be affected by this new consecrations. You have new ways to comunicate Rome the dessire of new bishops. Remember 1988.

    To say that consecrations would be a "risk" for the Church and strongly implying that the 1988 consecrations were a bad thing.

    I recall in 1988 how we were practically rejoicing in Rome's "excommunication" ... "Excommunicated by whom?  Excommunicated from what?"  I recall that my brothers and I were rejoicing and were hoping that Rome would "excommunitycate" us also.

    Now we have this, and these comments are confirmed in my mind anecdotally by my interaction with SSPX-attending laity in my area, a couple of whom almost literally went into a panic when I explained that SSPX priests were granted jurisdiction by "Rome" only for Confessions, and that for weddings they typically had to have a Novus Ordo presbyter there witnessing or else getting the Novus Ordo bishop's signoff ... but that they do not have any kind of habitual (ordinary) jurisdiction.

    So the propaganda must have been strong from SSPX to make these people think otherwise, and we now know that an excommunication would scare off large numbers of them.

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 48378
    • Reputation: +28560/-5349
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 09:34:31 AM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • It's not just the excommunication from Rome -- what about the vocal criticism from the SSPX when the first 2 Resistance bishops were consecrated?

    The blasted hypocrites. If it weren't for hypocrisy, the neo-SSPX wouldn't have any actions at all.

    Yeah, but they don't care, since they have their laity thoroughly brainwashed against the Resistance, where they'll simply draw a picture of how different it is, where they wanted patiently for years, trying to work it out with Rome ... vs. that h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying-probbabl-senile-kook consecrating 2 bishops for every garage.

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 48378
    • Reputation: +28560/-5349
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 09:35:58 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • What about Latin?  A working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew wouldn’t harm, either!

    Well, all SSPX priests are supposed to be passably proficient in Latin, but to function as a bishop, going around the world, they likely need someone who speaks at least 3 languages.  I'm honestly not sure what +Galaretta actually does though, so Spanish may be optional, and in that case Father Robinson might be a candidate.


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 48378
    • Reputation: +28560/-5349
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 11:29:44 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • You know -- you just jogged my memory.
    Guess when Fr. Robinson started learning French? AFTER Fr. Le Roux showed up at the seminary, around Fr. Robinson's 4th year.

    Fr. Robinson, hailing from Kentucky, joined the seminary speaking the following languages: English. <end of list>

    I was infamously "eccentric" at the seminary for various reasons, all of them innocent: my buzz haircut (I also cut my own hair; no one else did), my sandals, the fact I spoke Japanese to some degree.

    I'm pretty sure Fr. Robinson was entertaining learning Chinese, until the news Bp. Williamson was leaving and Fr. Le Roux was coming. Then sometime later I heard he was learning French. Funny how that works.

    Of course I didn't think much of it at the time -- yeah, I thought there might be a bit of "spirit of competition" involved (I never got along with him that well, for whatever reason). But today, looking back, especially knowing where Fr. Robinson ended up -- I'm inclined to look at the whole thing more cynically.

    Very interesting.  Do we recall who the top Modernist-leaning candidates were, per our speculation ... when the rumor first came out?

    I will see if I can dig up that thread.

    Offline Twice dyed

    • Supporter
    • ***
    • Posts: 977
    • Reputation: +363/-32
    • Gender: Male
    • Violet, purple, and scarlet twice dyed. EX: 35, 6.
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 11:32:47 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • https://infovaticana.com/en/2026/02/02/the-fsspx-announces-that-it-will-consecrate-new-bishops-on-july-1-2026/

    ''The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X has officially announced that it will proceed with new episcopal consecrations starting from July 1, 2026, a decision of enormous ecclesial significance that reopens one of the most delicate chapters in its relationship with the Holy See. The announcement was made public on February 2, ...
    ''...The General House also announces that in the coming days the superior general will offer additional explanations to contextualize the situation and detail the reasons for the decision, which is expected to have a strong impact both in the canonical sphere and in the broader ecclesial debate on Tradition, authority, and the unity of the Church. The text concludes with a Marian invocation, entrusting the future of the Fraternity and the Church to the protection of the Virgin Mary, at a moment that the SSPX itself recognizes as especially grave and decisive....''

    ******
    Remember about a year ago the Neo-SSPX was carefully introducing the possibility of Consecrating without Rome's permission? One comment that struck me from that article was something like this:  'This might be a very difficult (painful?) decision for some of our faithful....'

      As Lads so rightly noted, many newcomers to Traddieland would refuse to associate with an excommunicated Society.  But I am quite certain His Holiness Leo XIV will not excommunicate anyone...if he accepts the Orthodox schismatic heretics, heck, everyone's is included, no?
    Blinkin' neo-Sspx :( ;)
    Rumor was 6 bishops, 

    Our Lady co-Redemptrix,, Mediatrix of ALL graces, pray for us.



    The measure of love is to love without measure.
                                     St. Augustine (354 - 430 AD)

    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 559
    • Reputation: +153/-414
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 11:46:04 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Whether with or without the permission of the modernists is utterly irrelevant.

    What matters far more is who the candidates for consecration will be and whether they will still (to some extent) embody the spirit of the archbishop.
    You go to sspx masses don't you


    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 559
    • Reputation: +153/-414
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 11:47:10 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • They will be Fellay-like youngsters that are easily controlled, but energetic enough to do the tasks of their bishops worldwide. They won't consecrate any Lefebvres/Williamsons
    Indeed, bottom line, avoid them

    Offline CarlistaReinero

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 3
    • Reputation: +0/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 01:00:22 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • H. E. Carlo María Viganó:

    The decision of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X to consecrate new Bishops on July 1 demonstrates the impossibility of any dialogue with the Holy See.

    The Vatican’s refusal to comply with the Society’s requests confirms a double standard:

    On the one hand, synodality opens the way to schism without this constituting a problem either for those who impose it from above or for those who suffer it from below.

    On the other hand, a Priestly Fraternity of assured orthodoxy is denied permission to consecrate new Bishops precisely because it has not compromised with the conciliar revolution, the highest expression of which is synodality.

    When the Hierarchy becomes complicit in the demolition of the Church, the only solution is to appeal to the state of necessity and guarantee that Apostolic Succession continues for the good of souls. Nothing has changed since 1988, and we can even say that the situation has dramatically worsened.

    I therefore express my full support for the decision taken by the Society of Saint Pius X.

    Offline Incredulous

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 9629
    • Reputation: +9352/-1014
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 01:00:30 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • You know -- you just jogged my memory.
    Guess when Fr. Robinson started learning French? AFTER Fr. Le Roux showed up at the seminary, around Fr. Robinson's 4th year.

    Fr. Robinson, hailing from Kentucky, joined the seminary speaking the following languages: English. <end of list>

    I was infamously "eccentric" at the seminary for various reasons, all of them innocent: my buzz haircut (I also cut my own hair; no one else did), my sandals, the fact I spoke Japanese to some degree.

    I'm pretty sure Fr. Robinson was entertaining learning Chinese, until the news Bp. Williamson was leaving and Fr. Le Roux was coming. Then sometime later I heard he was learning French. Funny how that works.

    Of course I didn't think much of it at the time -- yeah, I thought there might be a bit of "spirit of competition" involved (I never got along with him that well, for whatever reason). But today, looking back, especially knowing where Fr. Robinson ended up -- I'm inclined to look at the whole thing more cynically.

    Father Paul Robinson is computer engineer by training.

    His social queues are lacking and he has alienated more trads that any other SSPX priest I know. 

    While he's fully committed to the corporation, his mastery of the "faux pas" lowers his credibility to be  Bishop.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

    Offline Against the Heresies

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 122
    • Reputation: +111/-3
    • Gender: Male
    Re: SSPX consecrations announced
    « Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 01:43:07 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • From today's sermon by the Superior General

    Source


    Quote
    Episcopal consecrations out of fidelity to the Church and to souls
    We believe that the time has come to think about the future of the Society of Saint Pius X, the future of all souls, whom we cannot forget, whom we cannot abandon, and above all, the good we can do for Holy Mother Church. And this raises a question that we have been asking ourselves for a long time and to which, perhaps, we must now give an answer. Should we wait longer before considering consecrating bishops? We have waited, prayed and observed the developments in the Church, and also sought advice. We have written to the Holy Father to present, in all simplicity, the situation of the Society, explaining these needs and at the same time to reconfirm to the Holy Father our only raison d’être, which is the good of souls.
    We wrote to the Holy Father: Your Holiness, we have but one intention, which is to make all the souls who turn to us, true sons of the Roman Catholic Church. We will never have any other intention, and we will always keep this intention. Furthermore, the good of souls corresponds to the good of the Church. The Catholic Church does not exist in the clouds. The Catholic Church exists in souls. It is souls that constitute the Church and if we love the Church, we love souls. We want their salvation and we want to do everything possible to offer them the means to attain their salvation. Therefore, we have begged the Holy Father to understand the very unique situation in which the Society finds itself, and to allow it to take the means to continue this work in such an exceptional situation. We all know that the work of the Society, once again, has no other purpose than to preserve Catholic Tradition for the good of souls.
    Well, unfortunately, these reasons do not seem to be of interest to Rome, and are not convincing. If you like, unfortunately, these reasons have not found a favourable ear with the Holy See, for the moment. We profoundly regret this situation. Therefore, what are we going to do? Are we going to abandon souls? Are we going to tell them that there is ultimately no case of necessity for the Society to continue its work? That ultimately everything is more or less fine. In other words, that there is no longer a state of necessity in the Church that would justify our apostolate and our existence so as to help the Catholic Church. It is not a question of challenging the Church – far from it! We are here to serve the Church, and we serve the Church by preaching the faith and proclaiming the truth to souls – and not by telling fables to souls.
    Can we therefore tell them that, despite everything, everything is fine? Certainly not! That would be a betrayal of souls, and betraying souls would mean betraying the Church. We simply cannot do that. This is why we think that 1st July 2026 could be a good date – an ideal date – as it is the Feast of the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. It is the feast of Redemption. Nothing else is of interests to us. What we hold most dear is the Precious Blood of Our Lord, flowing down from his feet onto the wood of the cross. Our Lady, at the foot of the cross, was the first to adore this Precious Blood, and which we continue to adore at the foot of the altar. This is the only thing that interests us, and it is the only thing that we want to give to souls – souls have a right to this, it is not a privilege, it is their right! We cannot abandon them.
    In the coming days, we intend to give you more information and greater detail. It is important to understand the reasons. It is important to understand what is at stake in all this. This is crucial. However, at the same time, we must understand all this through prayer. It is not enough to prepare our minds alone. I would even say that it is not enough to take a purely apologetic approach to all this. We must prepare hearts – our hearts – as it is a grace, and we must hold on to this grace. We must give thanks to God, and we must prepare ourselves. Yes, consecrations, once more, there will be episcopal consecrations. However, this is not to challenge the Church - it is definitely not a challenge. They will be consecrations out of fidelity to the Catholic Church and to souls. 
    Furthermore, I would like to add one last consideration… I fully assume responsibility for this decision. I assume it, firstly before God. I assume it before the Blessed Virgin Mary and before Pope Saint Pius X. I assume it before the Holy Father. I would sincerely like to meet the Pope before 1st July. I would like to explain to him, so as to make it possible for him to understand our real and profound intentions, and our attachment to the Catholic Church, so that he knows it, and so that he can understand it. I also accept this responsibility before the Holy Catholic Church and before the Society, before all the members of the Society and - I repeat yet again – before all the souls who in one way or another have recourse to us, and who ask us for help now or in the future. All these souls and all these vocations that Divine Providence has sent us and who continues to send us. Before them, I assume this responsibility – each and everyone in particular, because each soul has an infinite value.
    Furthermore, in the Catholic Church, we must never forget that the law of laws, the supreme law that takes precedence over all others, is the salvation of souls. It is not the prattle of small-talk, it is not the synod, it is not ecuмenism, it is not liturgical experiments, nor new ideas and a new evangelisation, it is the salvation of souls. This is the law of laws, and we all have a duty, each in our own place, to observe this law and to devote ourselves totally to defending it. Why must we do this? It is because Our Blessed Lady and Our Lord Jesus Christ taught us during their life here on this earth that they had no other intention and no other goal than the salvation of souls. Therefore, in one way or another, and according to our talents and our circuмstances, each one of us must do everything we can, making our contribution to save our own souls and the souls of others. Amen