One chapel even calls their Mass the "Extraordinary Form". I think it's safe to say that any chapel that accepts the Extraordinary Form designation is finished, as in "his goose is cooked".

By calling your Mass "Extraordinary Form" you are saying in the same breath that the Novus Ordo Missae is the Roman Rite's "Ordinary Form". You imply that it is not only legitimate but PREFERRED to the "extraordinary" Latin Mass.

If any of you have information about your local SSPX chapel doing any of these things, please post the information (and/or pictures) in this thread.

I know there was a chapel (in Michigan?) which had a brand new sign made, and it just called itself a "Roman Catholic Chapel" -- you know, like your local Novus Ordo parish. Nothing about Latin Mass, much less anything identifying it as "Traditional". I think this is a HUGE red flag about what's coming.

I can see that using the designation "Extraordinary Form" is objectionable; but I think that the below part is all right:

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I know there was a chapel (in Michigan?) which had a brand new sign made, and it just called itself a "Roman Catholic Chapel" -- you know, like your local Novus Ordo parish. Nothing about Latin Mass, much less anything identifying it as "Traditional"...

It's likely to upset the diocesan authorities, mind!

I suppose there's a small chance you'll trick someone into stumbling upon a Latin Mass by not mentioning it on your sign, but I think there's a much higher likelihood that you'll entice the curious to come and see for themselves when you say "Traditional Latin Mass" on your signage.

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I can see that using the designation "Extraordinary Form" is objectionable; but I think that the below part is all right:

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I know there was a chapel (in Michigan?) which had a brand new sign made, and it just called itself a "Roman Catholic Chapel" -- you know, like your local Novus Ordo parish. Nothing about Latin Mass, much less anything identifying it as "Traditional"...

It's likely to upset the diocesan authorities, mind!

I suppose there's a small chance you'll trick someone into stumbling upon a Latin Mass by not mentioning it on your sign, but I think there's a much higher likelihood that you'll entice the curious to come and see for themselves when you say "Traditional Latin Mass" on your signage.

I cannot say for sure what not specifying TLM on the sign does everywhere, but after about 2 months at our chapel, Father said from the pulpit yesterday that we will be seeing something new in the coming weeks - ushers helping people find seats because "we are up to about 200 per Mass now".

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that's an increase of about 30 - 50 more people per Mass now that we moved to this new location. I could be way off on this, but seems like we were told some time ago that we had over 300 people  while at our old chapel. At any rate, it is noticeable that it is at least a little more crowded now. And two or three times there have been women showing up in slacks or no chapel veils, loud talking when first entering and etc.

I know there have been a few new people who came just because it's a new Catholic Church in the area, they did not know it was TLM or SSPX, the ones I know of say they could no longer stand the NO with all it's abominations and plan to make this place the only Church they will ever go to.

As a side note, Father has at least made mention of the pope's heresies and the new mass' abomination from the pulpit a few times in the last few weeks.  

I cannot say for sure what not specifying TLM on the sign does everywhere, but after about 2 months at our chapel, Father said from the pulpit yesterday that we will be seeing something new in the coming weeks - ushers helping people find seats because "we are up to about 200 per Mass now".

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that's an increase of about 30 - 50 more people per Mass now that we moved to this new location. I could be way off on this, but seems like we were told some time ago that we had over 300 people  while at our old chapel.

What you said here reminds me of Nineteen Eighty Four -- "Thanks to our recent victories, the chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grams per week. Long live Big Brother!" When as a point of fact the chocolate ration used to be 30 grams per week... (And no one questions that chocolate is being RATIONED and you can't just buy as much as you want.)

But normally a chapel can expect to get more people when they move to a new, larger building. Upgrading is always a good thing; it invites growth rather than decay.

By the way, I should mention that the only thing on the sign that suggests anything traditional is the phrase "confessions".

This was the sign I was looking for.

What distinguishes this location from your typical Novus Ordo parish, until you go inside?

You could have this sign out in front of any random Novus Ordo parish.

As for the URL at the bottom, that can obviously be changed at any time to whatever the SSPX's new name is. It's such a small part at the bottom, it could easily be modified later.

I'll play devil's advocate here and propose that it would be a good thing for someone who didn't know better and expected the Novus Ordo to show up at the chapel and perhaps be converted by what they find. I have known that to be the case among several Trads I know.  If they come in dressed in slacks and talking loud, then they will be in for a bit of a shock.

Also, I can see it as being a welcome opportunity to explain why there is no Mass differentiation on the sign because, for us, there is only one Mass and this is it. The other thing doesn't exist, at least for us. Among Trads, both SSPX and independent, you may also find disagreement as to what form the "TLM" is.  If you go to St. Athanasius in Vienna, VA, the TLM is not the 1962 Mass, for instance, and it would not be an option for a visiting priest to say the J-XXIII Mass.

I would not use any signage advertising the Extraordinary Form, even if it might attract indulters.  They already know the scoop. I say that it is best to keep the "form" out of it since there is only one that will bring one to salvation.

Now, if they came in and found the Novus Ordo, that would be the problem.

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This was the sign I was looking for.

What distinguishes this location from your typical Novus Ordo parish, until you go inside?

You could have this sign out in front of any random Novus Ordo parish.

As for the URL at the bottom, that can obviously be changed at any time to whatever the SSPX's new name is. It's such a small part at the bottom, it could easily be modified later.

I'll play devil's advocate here and propose that it would be a good thing for someone who didn't know better and expected the Novus Ordo to show up at the chapel and perhaps be converted by what they find. I have known that to be the case among several Trads I know.  If they come in dressed in slacks and talking loud, then they will be in for a bit of a shock.

Also, I can see it as being a welcome opportunity to explain why there is no Mass differentiation on the sign because, for us, there is only one Mass and this is it. The other thing doesn't exist, at least for us. Among Trads, both SSPX and independent, you may also find disagreement as to what form the "TLM" is.  If you go to St. Athanasius in Vienna, VA, the TLM is not the 1962 Mass, for instance, and it would not be an option for a visiting priest to say the J-XXIII Mass.

I would not use any signage advertising the Extraordinary Form, even if it might attract indulters.  They already know the scoop. I say that it is best to keep the "form" out of it since there is only one that will bring one to salvation.

Now, if they came in and found the Novus Ordo, that would be the problem.

BTW, I remember one Sunday at St. Athanasius, a family consisting of a casually (high-end casual) dressed middle-aged couple and two teenage children, boy and girl in their late teens, showed up at Mass. The girl had tight slacks, the boy had on an expensive pair of jeans with stylish pre-ripped holes in the knees. They came in, took stock of what they had walked into, got over the shock, and self-sequestered themselves to the very small entrance vestibule.  They stayed there for most of the Mass - I'm guessing the 11AM Mass was their last chance for fulfilling their Sunday obligation before jetting off to the golf course and they just picked this church because of the 11AM Mass time.

It was a bit comical in a sad way. Never saw them again .. maybe just visiting DC.

This was the sign I was looking for.

What distinguishes this location from your typical Novus Ordo parish, until you go inside?

You could have this sign out in front of any random Novus Ordo parish.

As for the URL at the bottom, that can obviously be changed at any time to whatever the SSPX's new name is. It's such a small part at the bottom, it could easily be modified later.

Come the restoration of order in the Church, the term "Traditional Latin Mass" would be unnecessary anyway. Maybe they're just looking ahead to that time!

Wessex has it exactly right. And these changes ahead of the coming melting of the neo-SSPX into the Vatican II pot is why they had to railroad Bp.Williamson out of the way. Menzingen arranged the interview. Fellay knew what questions were to be asked. Then the same people who arranged the interview got their cassocks in a knot over it. ( There were 5.5 million "Jєωs"-Khazar Soviet sympathizers-in Europe before the war..5.3 after the war 5.3 from 5.5 = 6?? It's amazing that the same Americans who put Japanese into internment camps and the same Jєωs who put Russians into gulag torture/death camps and the same British who put Dutch Afrikaners into death camps in South Africa....) They were work/relocation camps to get these people to Madagascar eventually and help the war effort. And NOW? Now people like Jacob Rothschild and George Soros are using Arabs and Africans to destroy Europe-especially Germany-and the poor Germans are paralyzed by the h0Ɩ0h0αx! Goodness..Read up on the torture/death camps that the Jєωs put Germans in fm '45-'49 and the things they did. And as for the Pope?! This is the biggest catastrophe in Europe in 500 yrs. and not a peep fm this Pontiff who is more Masonic/Jєωιѕн than he is Catholic. He couldn't be more irrelevant. It's all terrible. See? This is why the " I don't care about anything as long as I get my bells and smells on Sunday" crowd irritate me so. :reporter: