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Author Topic: WWFCD - What would Fr. Carl Do?  (Read 3291 times)

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Re: WWFCD - What would Fr. Carl Do?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2018, 06:51:07 PM »
It was verbal. He said it to me in the late 1990's, and I'm sure to many others till the end of his life.

Re: WWFCD - What would Fr. Carl Do?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2018, 10:20:26 PM »
Thank you for your reply!  Did he indicate why he thought so?  We have a positive doubt as to the consecration of bishops to the Novus Ordo rite enabling those bishops to ordain Roman Catholic priests to the Latin Roman Catholic Rite.  Did you ever discuss that as a reason for the lack of Roman Catholic priests?  I appreciate anything you can share.


Re: WWFCD - What would Fr. Carl Do?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 02:49:53 AM »
Thank you for your reply!  Did he indicate why he thought so?  We have a positive doubt as to the consecration of bishops to the Novus Ordo rite enabling those bishops to ordain Roman Catholic priests to the Latin Roman Catholic Rite.  Did you ever discuss that as a reason for the lack of Roman Catholic priests?  I appreciate anything you can share.
He thought so for the reason you stated, he did not believe the new consecration formula for bishops was valid, hence even the priests ordained by the new bishops with the traditional ordination rite are not priests. ALL the ordinations done by the Fraternity of St. Peter and the Institute of Christ the King, were done by new rite bishops. That adds to the doubt. Why not one ordination by an old rite bishop? Moreover, Fr. Carl did not believe the New Rite of Ordination was valid either. Three strikes and you are out. That is why he said that they will aloow the Latin Mass when there are no priests. 

Fr. Carl was not a intrusive person, he would not push himself on new people.  Slowly over time, once the euphoria of finding tradition and his chapel ended with those that stuck around, the sincere people who were seeking truth, he would be there for them. I never saw him hesitate verbally for one second when asked to do something trivial like blessing a car, even at the most inappropriate times. If he had one foot in the car to do his circuit (he was over 70 years old and did the same circuit that the SSPX uses 3 priests to do today), and someone asked him to do confession, he would not hesitate one second, and respond CAN you go now?

Re: WWFCD - What would Fr. Carl Do?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 02:56:25 AM »
By the way, the SSPX use to teach that the new ordinations of priests and consecrations of bishops are both doubtful at best.. It is only since like 2005 that Menzigen totally changed the tune, likely in preparation to join the new rite priests and bishops.

Re: WWFCD - What would Fr. Carl Do?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 10:00:16 AM »
Dear Last Tradhican,
Thank you so very much for your reply!  Please tell us more--did Fr. Carl try to share his views with SSPX priests?  We are trying to explain what we see, but the priests we have talked to do not deviate from Archbishop Lefebvre's position that some ordinations are valid.  They do not seem to want to look into the consecration of bishops, the most urgent, horrific possibility. Why do not SSPX priests realize the precious treasure they have--Roman Catholic priesthood within Apostolic Succession? If there were some evidence of Fr. Carl's views perhaps they could be persuaded because of their admiration, respect, and love for him?  We are extremely concerned that Novus Ordo priests are serving and/or joining SSPX without conditional ordination by an SSPX bishop. Any advice or wisdom for us will be greatly appreciated!