I'm trying to sort this out.   :confused1:  ggreg, I agree.  The modernists write badly, but intentionally.  They write that way in hopes that the man in the pew will think that they are brilliant; therefore, won't bother to decipher what they are actually saying.  :read-paper: It's oftentimes heresy, of course.  Unfortunately, what they don't realize is that the average Catholic has been so dumbed down that they don't recognize heresy when they read it, and probably wouldn't care if they do.  Also, thank goodness for the "eleison comments," because that is clearly stated and pure truth.  The expulsions, whether they be Fathers Hewko, Pfeiffer, Cardozo, or even +Tissier are because they do speak clearly with the truth, which threatens the neo-sspx/opus fellay "truth." The original SSPX spoke the truth fearlessly, but now it's not just new Rome that they have to watch out for, but their own leaders. :heretic:  All this silly bickering :argue: about what this thread is about--the effectiveness of the SSPX-- is irrelevant because the old SSPX is basically kaput.  They need to rebuild.  Which brings one back to ggreg's wonderful example about seeds.  Pray God that they will have the courage and strength to do it.      

The hole point of the letter posted was a cautionary warning that the Sspx was not immune from falling from the straight path, not to demonstrate how ineffective and irrelevant it is.

But no one said the SSPX was ineffective and irrelevent. You created a strawman, and wasted everyone's time in their trying to explain it to you.

If you believe as I believe, that the new rite of consecration of bishops is invalid, and that the new rite of ordibnation of priests, in the vernacular, can be invalid, then, you would believe as I do, that the SSPX is the ONLY for sure order that has been ordaining priests, and contains, four of the last few valid Roman Rite bishops left in this world. That IS what makes the SSPX important, much more than the few faithful that they attend to, compared to the 1 billion "Catholics" in the world today.

Outside of those priests ordained by the SSPX who left to join Rome, and those in the Fraternity of St. Peter who were ordained by Cardinal Stickler, if any were, there are no valid priests who offer the traditional mass in union with Rome.