Author Topic: SSPX Camp Counselor Arrested for Raping Boys in Post Falls ID (Read 49043 times)

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #90 on:** October 28, 2015, 09:01:39 PM »

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Are people really mitigating guilt when they consider that a predator may have at one point been a victim himself? Maybe some people do. I don't think it's necessarily always the case. Simply knowing and considering the FACT that many predators were once preyed upon doesn't in any way mean a person doesn't also know that the now-predator made their choices of their own freewill and must pay the consequences.

I think this is an important point to consider because it's one more piece of the puzzle, one more hint at how people and parents can spot and prevent further damage.

One of my family members is watching this unfold now with her inlaws. A little girl was being molested by an extended family member. Do you know how they first spotted a problem? The little girl started to pattern the "play" with other children at daycare. She didn't know any better, this is what she had been shown. But now her parents will always have to be extra vigilant, not only that she is not victimized again, but also God forbid, that she not carry on with it herself. My family member also knows not to let her own children play unsupervised with the little girl. It's not fair, it's not the little girls' fault and they make sure the parameters set aren't obviously "marking" her, but it's a reality they can't take chances with.

There are people who are simply predators from day 1 and who gravitate toward evil with relish. But a lot of people are exposed to evil as victims and then turn around and embrace it as predators. There is a psychological aspect to sin and the only time that's a problem for Catholic thought is when freewill and sin are denied or downplayed. I don't see that happening here.

Pedophiles need to be brought to justice and punished to the fullest extent of the law for their own salvation and to serve as a deterrent to others contemplating committing similar crimes.

At the age of 30 it's too late to reform a predator. There is no "cure" for pedophilia. They have to be isolated from children forever. A monastery could be an option after serving a very long sentence. But more than likely he will be sicker after prison than before.

wallflower · « **Reply #91 on:** October 28, 2015, 09:48:30 PM »

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Quote from: wallflower
Are people really mitigating guilt when they consider that a predator may have at one point been a victim himself? Maybe some people do. I don't think it's necessarily always the case. Simply knowing and considering the FACT that many predators were once preyed upon doesn't in any way mean a person doesn't also know that the now-predator made their choices of their own freewill and must pay the consequences.

I think this is an important point to consider because it's one more piece of the puzzle, one more hint at how people and parents can spot and prevent further damage.

One of my family members is watching this unfold now with her inlaws. A little girl was being molested by an extended family member. Do you know how they first spotted a problem? The little girl started to pattern the "play" with other children at daycare. She didn't know any better, this is what she had been shown. But now her parents will always have to be extra vigilant, not only that she is not victimized again, but also God forbid, that she not carry on with it herself. My family member also knows not to let her own children play unsupervised with the little girl. It's not fair, it's not the little girls' fault and they make sure the parameters set aren't obviously "marking" her, but it's a reality they can't take chances with.

There are people who are simply predators from day 1 and who gravitate toward evil with relish. But a lot of people are exposed to evil as victims and then turn around and embrace it as predators. There is a psychological aspect to sin and the only time that's a problem for Catholic thought is when freewill and sin are denied or downplayed. I don't see that happening here.

Pedophiles need to be brought to justice and punished to the fullest extent of the law for their own salvation and to serve as a deterrent to others contemplating committing similar crimes.

At the age of 30 it's too late to reform a predator. There is no "cure" for pedophilia. They have to be isolated from children forever. A monastery could be an option after serving a very long sentence. But more than likely he will be sicker after prison than before.

I agree. They are hardened in sin, a phrase I prefer to use than "addicted". "Addicted" doesn't do enough to convey the heavy responsibility we have in fostering our habits.

Cantarella · « **Reply #92 on:** October 28, 2015, 10:20:51 PM »

Russia introduces chemical castration for pedophiles

http://www.infowars.com/russia-introduces-chemical-castration-for-pedophiles/

“Pedophiles are sick and dangerous people who will never be full members of society, and this is why our goal is to protect healthy people, our children, who have their whole lives ahead of them”

It is old news but what think you of such penalty being introduced in America? The amount of cases of sɛҳuąƖ predators damaging forever the purity of our children is truly horrifying.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #93 on:** October 28, 2015, 10:39:19 PM »

Castration is actually quite a good penalty. Removing their sɛҳuąƖ organs serves, not only as just punishment, but might actually help improve their condition. Mind you, they should still be separated from mainstream society for the rest of their lives, however, it could help lead to their own personal salvation.

LucasL · « **Reply #94 on:** October 29, 2015, 12:14:46 AM »

the problem is that the taxpayer pay for their medication

MrYeZe · « **Reply #95 on:** October 29, 2015, 01:00:31 AM »

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the problem is that the taxpayer pay for their medication

Oh, I'm not advocating 'chemical' castration. Put them under with anesthetic, then cut it off. All of it.

LucasL · « **Reply #96 on:** October 29, 2015, 02:11:32 AM »

@Ladisulaus: Looks like you still don't know why I said that your writing on DNA and "social environment " theory to understand the criminal. was heretical

The reason is: when you put someone's else DNA on trial (trying to understand and implying that DNA + environment controls the behaviour) you're putting God's creation on trial.

Another way of saying: You are trying to understand something that we cannot. We don't know why people are born the way they are.
And finally: Any -let me repeat, ANY- attempt to understand DNA and our "genetics" by reason will either fall into eugenics ("evolutionary adaptation") OR social environmentalism. Both are frauds and leads one into confusion and frustration.

Accept the good and expel the evil". Even if expelling the evil is politically incorrect.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #97 on:** October 29, 2015, 09:45:43 AM »

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@Ladisulaus: Looks like you still don't know why I said that your writing on DNA and "social environment " theory to understand the criminal. was heretical

Like the Dimonds, you throw the term "heretical" around way too freely.

LucasL · « **Reply #98 on:** October 29, 2015, 09:52:25 AM »

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@Ladisulaus: Looks like you still don't know why I said that your writing on DNA and "social environment " theory to understand the criminal. was heretical

Like the Dimonds, you throw the term "heretical" around way too freely.

You can't say "Well because" this X person receives bad DNA and/or live in a bad home X does A, B, Y and expect NOT me to call you a heretic for that.

What you are saying is heretical, there's no way to run from it. Does not matter how beautifully you try to picture your sorrow for the perpetrator. It's also a sign of hypocrisy.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #99 on:** October 29, 2015, 10:04:06 AM »

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The reason is: when you put someone's else DNA on trial (trying to understand and implying that DNA + environment controls the behaviour) you're putting God's creation on trial.

Controls, no. Influences, yes. We have free will, but we also have a nature with various tendencies. Some people are more prone to anxiety or depression or alcoholism or whatever due to a combination of their genes and their life experiences, etc. There's absolutely nothing even close to heretical about acknowledging that.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #100 on:** October 29, 2015, 10:05:14 AM »

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What you are saying is heretical, there's no way to run from it.

No, what you are saying is utterly idiotic. See my previous post.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #101 on:** October 29, 2015, 10:06:16 AM »

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It's also a sign of hypocrisy.

That doesn't even come close to making any sense.

Graham · « **Reply #102 on:** October 29, 2015, 10:15:34 AM »

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Does not matter how beautifully you try to picture your sorrow for the perpetrator.

It has become common to compete for social approval through conspicuous effusions of sympathy for disruptive minorities, subversive causes, deviants, and criminals of various stripes. That is the liberal spirit of the times. We'd have to be blind to fail to notice it affecting traditionalists.

LucasL · « **Reply #103 on:** October 29, 2015, 10:32:01 AM »

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What you are saying is heretical, there's no way to run from it.

No, what you are saying is utterly idiotic. See my previous post.

Ok, I'm sorry if I said something offensive which isn't true. As of now I can't say if any or which my previous statements were false or wrong about what you tried to say. And there's no point in trying to go on that direction again.

I don't want to continue in this because it does not make sense, the only thing I really didn't like was that you said that there were darkness in my soul/comments. While I think I'm still right to say that Alexandria had very dark thoughts that showed on his/her comments.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #104 on:** October 29, 2015, 10:41:28 AM »

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While I think I'm still right to say that Alexandria had very dark thoughts that showed on his/her comments.

Alexandria was making a point using sarcasm; she was not comparing the perpetrator of these crimes to executed Catholics. You misunderstood what she was trying to say.

I called out the darkness in your soul for not being able to find any charity or compassion for the perpetrator. Pray that God does not judge you as harshly. We all commit a thousand sins every day against God and yet He continues to forgive us. As grave and horrendous as it might be, even child rape is not an unforgivable sin. Our Lord's mercy and the merits of His Passion surpass any evil we human beings are capable of committing.