Author Topic: SSPX Camp Counselor Arrested for Raping Boys in Post Falls ID (Read 50142 times)

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #75 on:** October 28, 2015, 05:54:09 PM »

Finally found our village idiot. Take good care of him Matthew! :wink:

LucasL · « **Reply #76 on:** October 28, 2015, 05:56:23 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Go help him escape tonight from the Kootenai Jail and turn him over to Lucas for torture. You can sit nearby in your rocking chair with your knitting in hand chanting over and over "Guillotine! Guillotine!"

Your comment is pervert and sick, please stop comparing sex kid abusers to injust Catholic's who were murdered by freemansons.

You are worse than I taught, much worse.

What kind of darkness is necessary to compare a paedophile who abused many children defenceless with poor Catholic people murdered by sick liberals?

Meg · « **Reply #77 on:** October 28, 2015, 05:56:37 PM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

The boy who said he was whipped by Sloniker said he shared that with Father Patrick Crane. He also told the priest that Sloniker made him strip naked.

Crane, who now is with another Society of Saint Pius X church – Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix – was interviewed by a detective Sept. 22. He said Sloniker worked with the church camp from 2003 to 2006 and that he did not have any issues with him.

When the detective shared that one of the alleged victims said he had told Crane about Sloniker whipping him, “Crane said he remembers part of it, but it was mostly because (the boy) did not want to attend the camp.”

Crane added that he remembers not asking Sloniker back after that, and also told the detective that if something had been brought forward, he would have said something “because this was during the time the church was being looked into for other abuse allegations across America,” the detective wrote.

Here's the part I don't understand. A boy tells Fr. Crane what Sloniker did to him, but Fr. Crane just thought that the boy didn't want to attend the camp? What does that even mean? Did Fr. Crane not believe the boy? I don't know what else would account for the priest not doing anything about it.
That terrible situation should have been a huge red flag.

Aleah · « **Reply #78 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:02:41 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Quote from: Aleah

I am always blown away on how much freedom parents give their children and how much trust!

There is a person I know in one of the SSPX parishes who molested a kid in Idaho... no charges were ever pressed- he was just told to leave the state. Now he is in another state and I see parents not paying any attention to him as he plays with and hangs around the children.

Have you warned the parents, children, priests, and authorities?

Yes, when we saw children near him or communicating with him- we would alert the parents. The parish priest was also aware and knew the family even before he was a priest. He hand many dealings with the young man and the family and we would make him aware of anything unusual.

LucasL · « **Reply #79 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:04:55 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

Quote from: Magna opera Domini
Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: Magna opera Domini
He is the perpetrator, not the victim.

Do you not think that he is possibly both?

There is something in his history that brought him to this point and I wouldn't eliminate the possibility that he was a victim first.

I am thinking about how society must deal with child rapists and child corrupters. And if society is going to deal with child rapists properly (fitting the punishment to the crime), the thinking must be correct at the individual level. Which is why I found it alarming to see the conversation so quickly turn to sympathy for the criminal and attempts to mitigate his guilt, particularly when we adopt 21st century excuses like “psychological debility.”

The most secure guide that comes to my mind for how society should react to monstrous crimes against children is when society was Catholic. As far as I know, the process was objective and based on the act committed and not the criminal’s own hardships. While saints may have shed tears over and interceded for a criminal, there is no indication they considered the fact of having suffered as mitigating guilt for dealing out like suffering to others.

A final alarming aspect is that this man comes from a family that has had the benefits of Tradition for 25 years. If he can elicit our sympathy on the basis of psychological debility, then so can Nero.

Go help him escape tonight from the Kootenai Jail and turn him over to Lucas for torture. You can sit nearby in your rocking chair with your knitting in hand chanting over and over "Guillotine! Guillotine!" :stare:

I'm outta here and sorry I came back.

Signed,
The Ole' Pious Fraud

What kind of darkness does a person needs to write such a comment?

I'd love to send this comment by Alexandria, mocking the kids who were abused, to psychopaths. I bet a few of them will see evil in this.

Quote from: Alexandria

Go help him escape tonight from the Kootenai Jail and turn him over to Lucas for torture.... "Guillotine! Guillotine!"

So the Catholics who were murdered are to be compared to a sex abuser?
I never called to kill or anything,

I just said DON'T SUPPORT A CRIMINAL , SPECIALLY A PAEDOPHILE!!!

Note: This Alexandria (i think is a woman) deleted a comment in which her(?) were crying for this criminal, saying he was good, he was so good she(?) could not believe.

Is just me or this more wicked than anyone could imagine?

Domitilla · « **Reply #80 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:06:49 PM »

This thread takes the cake for the most appalling series of posts I have ever read on CathInfo. At least Magna opera Domini has his/her head on straight ....

Aleah · « **Reply #81 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:08:14 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I wonder why he reportedly kept moving in with the victims' families. Why did they take him in? Under what pretext did he present himself for moving in?

That's the strange part to me... I think some people don't understand that true charity starts within a family before it extends to others. The families needed to love their children enough to protect and not allow this evil to come in at any time.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #82 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:15:30 PM »

Lucas, the only darkness I see here is in your own soul. I pity you also and am praying for you. Too much Dimond can be a bad thing.

It is possible to grieve for the victims and deplore the crimes and feel sorry for the poor fallen soul of the perpetrator all at the same time. Feeling sorry for the perpetrator does not constitute an endorsement of pedophilia.

LucasL · « **Reply #83 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:18:48 PM »

You people need to read at least this thread again.

It started with this person (Alexandria) appealing to emotional saying the criminal was a good person. After I said I don't like criminals and no one who defends them, this person said it he/she was not defending him

Then I pointed out that this was not true. She/he was actually emotionally appealing to him and we should not trust he/she judgment.

But for my surprise.. well you can read on the last three pages, Alexandria mocks a very decent and honourable comment and by this very fact makes fun of the kids who suffered just because people, like myself and others don't agree that we should have mercy on this offender and he's not a victim..

LucasL · « **Reply #84 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:20:40 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Lucas, the only darkness I see here is in your own soul. I pity you also and am praying for you. Too much Dimond can be a bad thing.

It is possible to grieve for the victims and deplore the crimes and feel sorry for the poor fallen soul of the perpetrator all at the same time. Feeling sorry for the perpetrator does not constitute an endorsement of pedophilia.

Ok. Please tell me one quote from me that has Darkness and after that you will allow me to compare to the things you and Alexandria said about crying for a sex abuser

Agreed? IF you don't, I have nothing to say to you, ever, never, and I hope that you don't need to have a case with rape in your family to see the evil that you're saying

I hope you have at least some common sense to understand that those who are in condemnation are the kids FOREVER

If you don't plan to prove darkness in my comments, I'll ask you politely to never address to me.

LucasL · « **Reply #85 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:29:39 PM »

One should understand that I could not do anything but expose you that's why I made the image.

And I don't regret it 001% because there's no way that I will endorse "Who am I to Judge?" on this issue, that I won't do even by torture.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #86 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:33:02 PM »

Quote from: Magna opera Domini

Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: Magna opera Domini
He is the perpetrator, not the victim.

Do you not think that he is possibly both?

There is something in his history that brought him to this point and I wouldn't eliminate the possibility that he was a victim first.

I am thinking about how society must deal with child rapists and child corrupters. And if society is going to deal with child rapists properly (fitting the punishment to the crime), the thinking must be correct at the individual level. Which is why I found it alarming to see the conversation so quickly turn to sympathy for the criminal and attempts to mitigate his guilt, particularly when we adopt 21st century excuses like “psychological debility.”

The most secure guide that comes to my mind for how society should react to monstrous crimes against children is when society was Catholic. As far as I know, the process was objective and based on the act committed and not the criminal’s own hardships. While saints may have shed tears over and interceded for a criminal, there is no indication they considered the fact of having suffered as mitigating guilt for dealing out like suffering to others.

A final alarming aspect is that this man comes from a family that has had the benefits of Tradition for 25 years. If he can elicit our sympathy on the basis of psychological debility, then so can Nero.

I don't know about the death sentence, but at minimum prison terms should be much longer because high percentages of offenders return to prison after release.*

I mentioned the victim-offender relationship because the pattern is real and people who have been victimized should be tested early and often for signs of pedophilia. In a study I just glanced through, nearly 50% of child molesters surveyed had been abused themselves as children.

*78% within 2 years according to this site.

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #87 on:** October 28, 2015, 06:43:23 PM »

If we recall the Urrutigoity thing, then we have to ask ourselves how the SSPX can be so innocent. And the entire event (the Urrutigoity thing) cannot be placed only at the feet of Urrutigoity as others in the seminary were involved. My point is that evil infects all and to assume the SSPX is not infected is just hogwash. This same thinking applies to the family who was "so good" that they could not be part of such a thing. I know from experience that the best cover their tracks. There was once a good Catholic man who I thought I knew to be a good man, honest, upright, just, etc. In reality he was addicted to porn, and his addiction has ruined people. That just proves you cannot judge by what you believe should be the case.

wallflower · « **Reply #88 on:** October 28, 2015, 08:40:27 PM »

Are people really mitigating guilt when they consider that a predator may have at one point been a victim himself? Maybe some people do. I don't think it's necessarily always the case. Simply knowing and considering the FACT that many predators were once preyed upon doesn't in any way mean a person doesn't also know that the now-predator made their choices of their own freewill and must pay the consequences.

I think this is an important point to consider because it's one more piece of the puzzle, one more hint at how people and parents can spot and prevent further damage.

One of my family members is watching this unfold now with her inlaws. A little girl was being molested by an extended family member. Do you know how they first spotted a problem? The little girl started to pattern the "play" with other children at daycare. She didn't know any better, this is what she had been shown. But now her parents will always have to be extra vigilant, not only that she is not victimized again, but also God forbid, that she not carry on with it herself. My family member also knows not to let her own children play unsupervised with the little girl. It's not fair, it's not the little girls' fault and they make sure the parameters set aren't obviously "marking" her, but it's a reality they can't take chances with.

There are people who are simply predators from day 1 and who gravitate toward evil with relish. But a lot of people are exposed to evil as victims and then turn around and embrace it as predators. There is a psychological aspect to sin and the only time that's a problem for Catholic thought is when freewill and sin are denied or downplayed. I don't see that happening here.

wallflower · « **Reply #89 on:** October 28, 2015, 08:45:44 PM »

Speaking of Urrutigoity, I came across his holy card in one of my books just yesterday. I didn't realize I had it and it was a shock to see. My first inclination was to throw it out. That made me realize I had to say a Hail Mary for him and put it back so that every time I used that book, I had to pray for him again. Trust me, there was no trace of bleeding heart in that move. Overcoming our emotions doesn't only apply to the soft ones, it applies to the harsh ones too.