Author Topic: SSPX Camp Counselor Arrested for Raping Boys in Post Falls ID (Read 49113 times)

LucasL · « **Reply #135 on:** October 30, 2015, 08:53:17 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

I haven't read all these replies, so forgive me if I repeat something that has already been said.

After coming to tradition and SSPX from the modern worldliness of Protestantism and Novus Ordo, I found most people to be fairly niave regarding the ways of the world.

At first I found this quite refreshing. But when an incident occurred with our best friends that could have been prevented if only people knew the signs of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and perversion, I realized that this naivetee is very dangerous not only to the children and parents but also to the priests as well.

A priest today simply cannot be too "friendly" toward the children outside the presence of the parents. This is just a terribly sad fact. A great many trad priests don't understand this and often offer to give classes for this or that or take the children on some field trip, etc. Unfortunately this opens up the portal of accusations and suspicion. There have been any number of priests wrongly accused of misconduct. I know of two who were accused of intoxicating young boys and possibly taking advantage of them. None of this was true, of course, but the entire scandal could have been avoided. We do not live in the 19th century.

Parents today just cannot trust anyone. I am sorry to say that, but you just can't. We must be on guard constantly. We are VERY cautious about where our children go and who they go with. Fortunately my husband has access to criminal records and mental health records. He checks everybody we know. Everybody. On many occasions, without violating anyone's privacy, I have warned parents to rethink allowing their children to go to certain people's homes.

Ultimately we are responsible for our children's welfare.

I might also add, just because someone is a trad priest, it does not mean that they are trustworthy with your kids. Be cautious.

Also, I don't know if this is an issue in SSPX or even FSSP, but in independent circles some of the priests were once NO priests, have left for various reasons, and have been conditionally ordained by some bishop somewhere. I caution people always, always, always, to check these priests out before trusting their children with them. Some of these priests have been removed from their NO dioceses for terrible acts and have gravitated toward tradition because they like the bells and smells and because trad parents are often very naive. It makes their young boys easy prey.

In regards to the report, my biggest question seems to be why in the world a parent would allow a child to travel on the road alone with a truck driver?

Please, parents, do not check your brain at the door around traditional Catholics. They are not immune to sinful thoughts and behaviors! We have a duty to protect our kids!

Great comment

I'll try to give an advice for Priests , SSPX and similars:

If you don't talk about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs abomination, if you don't condemn the heresies, if you don't talk about the evils of sins (specially homossɛҳuąƖity and child lovers) these sick people will never be afraid to commit their crimes at your backyard.

IF a Priest says every week that what's going in the world is 100% abomination and sɛҳuąƖ perverts are everywhere and talk about what happens in Hell for those people, most situations like this could be prevented. We all know the world is evil and sick but some priests prefer talking about charity and love. That's the kind of omission that leads souls directly to Hell.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #136 on:** October 30, 2015, 09:24:04 AM »

Agree with CathMom. When we meet people who are "odd" or setting off intinctive alarms why do we ignore that? You can be polite without giving approval. We should charitably shun people we suspect or have knowledge of having improper inclinations. Are trads a little too PC?

jmid · « **Reply #137 on:** October 31, 2015, 10:03:29 AM »

I lived in Post Falls for 8 years and attended Immaculate Conception. I do not know Sloniker, but one of my friends actually knows him well, and worked with him in ND. He called the other day and was shocked to find out all the details. He said he never saw any danger signs or got any weird vibes from him.
Unfortunately these types of incidents coming out of that church does not shock me. That place has a very poisonous atmosphere. The absolutely worse human beings I ever had the inopportunity to meet , are in that area. I actually did a blog talk radio program about 6-7 years ago and did some programs on the problems there.
A large percentage of the families there have some kind psychological or spiritual disorder that is really hard to pin down. They “do” all the right things ( go to mass, pray the rosary etc.) but for some reason it just doesn’t seem to get internalized. A large percentage of the children fall away from the Faith, the girls get pregnant at young ages, have children out of wedlock,(sɛҳuąƖ immorality among the kids is rampant) commit ѕυιcιdє, fall into drug abuse , all at an alarming rate.
In their defense that whole area is a bizarro world. They are the most atheistic part of the country, and have this kinda hippie mentality. For such a small population they continually have rapes, murders, pediphiles , and a lot of petty crime and high unemployment sprinkled on top of all that.
My advice to anyone considering relocating, stay away from the Post Falls / Coeur D Alene area !!

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #138 on:** October 31, 2015, 10:26:36 AM »

Quote from: jmid

I lived in Post Falls for 8 years and attended Immaculate Conception. I do not know Sloniker, but one of my friends actually knows him well, and worked with him in ND. He called the other day and was shocked to find out all the details. He said he never saw any danger signs or got any weird vibes from him.
Unfortunately these types of incidents coming out of that church does not shock me. That place has a very poisonous atmosphere. The absolutely worse human beings I ever had the inopportunity to meet , are in that area. I actually did a blog talk radio program about 6-7 years ago and did some programs on the problems there.
A large percentage of the families there have some kind psychological or spiritual disorder that is really hard to pin down. They “do” all the right things ( go to mass, pray the rosary etc.) but for some reason it just doesn’t seem to get internalized. A large percentage of the children fall away from the Faith, the girls get pregnant at young ages, have children out of wedlock,(sɛҳuąƖ immorality among the kids is rampant) commit ѕυιcιdє, fall into drug abuse , all at an alarming rate.
In their defense that whole area is a bizarro world. They are the most atheistic part of the country, and have this kinda hippie mentality. For such a small population they continually have rapes, murders, pediphiles , and a lot of petty crime and high unemployment sprinkled on top of all that.
My advice to anyone considering relocating, stay away from the Post Falls / Coeur D Alene area !!

This is an interesting observation. Criminal profilers and forensic scientists refer to the Pacific Northwest as "The Killing Fields" because of the very high rates of murder and sadistic crimes. Post Falls has a large meth distribution syndicate and there was a huge bust there in few years ago.

Coeur d'Alene has a growing sodomite population.

Dr. Anthony Chichoke, a well-known author and researcher of natural health and resident of that area has said that the rate of Down's Syndrome born into that area (Spokane/North idaho) far exceeds the nation. He believes it's from radiation from the Hanford Nuclear site. He's also said that there is an out-of-proportion ratio of girls to boys born, with girls vastly outnumbering boys born. He said it's just not normal.

As for the traditionalist community it's worldly, as you have pointed out. Are there families who truly have the Faith and practice it with sincerity in Truth? Sure. By their fruits you shall know them and SSPX-going families who have large numbers of fallen away children are proof of that. Participating in the sacramental life of the Church is not enough if you don't hold the Faith in your heart and mind.

wallflower · « **Reply #139 on:** October 31, 2015, 10:50:59 AM »

Quote from: Graham

Quote from: Patrick JK Gray
I agree with Graham -- in these liberal times crimes are fawned upon and excused with sham charity.

Excused -- that is, excuses are offered, even if they don't purport to mitigate the guilt 100%. The important thing is to offer some excuse for the poor pedophile while pointing the finger at "uncharitable trad pharisees" with "darkness in their souls," for whom, not unexpectedly, no excuses are made.

Ironic and untrue.

I had already wondered a few things that might help me understand a of couple of people's inability to make distinctions in this discussion. Since I don't actually know anyone and I am unable and unwilling to be that vested in it, those wonderings remained a mild curiosity in my own mind. Plus it comes off as condescending and belittling to offer reasons for someone's ignorance or obstinacy (or any other bad trait) right in the middle of a discussion. I have done it and I've had it done to me. It very rarely ends well or does anything constructive. Barring bad will or willful ignorance, it's usually only time, experience and grace that can make a real difference. In the meantime, patience is invaluable to all sides.

Tiffany · « **Reply #140 on:** October 31, 2015, 06:17:10 PM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

I haven't read all these replies, so forgive me if I repeat something that has already been said.

After coming to tradition and SSPX from the modern worldliness of Protestantism and Novus Ordo, I found most people to be fairly niave regarding the ways of the world.

At first I found this quite refreshing. But when an incident occurred with our best friends that could have been prevented if only people knew the signs of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and perversion, I realized that this naivetee is very dangerous not only to the children and parents but also to the priests as well.

A priest today simply cannot be too "friendly" toward the children outside the presence of the parents. This is just a terribly sad fact. A great many trad priests don't understand this and often offer to give classes for this or that or take the children on some field trip, etc. Unfortunately this opens up the portal of accusations and suspicion. There have been any number of priests wrongly accused of misconduct. I know of two who were accused of intoxicating young boys and possibly taking advantage of them. None of this was true, of course, but the entire scandal could have been avoided. We do not live in the 19th century.

Parents today just cannot trust anyone. I am sorry to say that, but you just can't. We must be on guard constantly. We are VERY cautious about where our children go and who they go with. Fortunately my husband has access to criminal records and mental health records. He checks everybody we know. Everybody. On many occasions, without violating anyone's privacy, I have warned parents to rethink allowing their children to go to certain people's homes.

Ultimately we are responsible for our children's welfare.

I might also add, just because someone is a trad priest, it does not mean that they are trustworthy with your kids. Be cautious.

Also, I don't know if this is an issue in SSPX or even FSSP, but in independent circles some of the priests were once NO priests, have left for various reasons, and have been conditionally ordained by some bishop somewhere. I caution people always, always, always, to check these priests out before trusting their children with them. Some of these priests have been removed from their NO dioceses for terrible acts and have gravitated toward tradition because they like the bells and smells and because trad parents are often very naive. It makes their young boys easy prey.

In regards to the report, my biggest question seems to be why in the world a parent would allow a child to travel on the road alone with a truck driver?

Please, parents, do not check your brain at the door around traditional Catholics. They are not immune to sinful thoughts and behaviors! We have a duty to protect our kids!

Your husband should be suspended from his job!

I agree that parents often have a false sense of security at church. People also forget they are public places. I've seen so many times children going to the rest room alone when the same parents would never allow that at Walmart or a Holiday Inn lobby.

rum · « **Reply #141 on:** October 31, 2015, 08:07:59 PM »

"Fortunately my husband has access to criminal records and mental health records. He checks everybody we know. Everybody."

That sounds a wee bit illegal.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #142 on:** October 31, 2015, 09:56:51 PM »

Let's not assume that her husband lacks legal authority to conduct these searches. It's not illegal in all states to do it without pre-existing probable cause.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #143 on:** November 01, 2015, 09:51:08 AM »

The fact that he was buying children expensive gifts and taking over night trips with them should have brought up some red flags.

One of the children even told another priest about it and the priest did nothing. Priests have to take every allegation seriously. Parents seemed to be aware enough to tell people to stay clear of him but did not get police involved. Again a lot of adults let children down by not listening or taking proper action.

And how does a guy that gets tossed out of the seminary for trying to perform a circuмcision on himself end up being a counselor of children?

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #144 on:** November 01, 2015, 09:55:48 AM »

Quote from: ClarkSmith

The fact that he was buying children expensive gifts and taking over night trips with them should have brought up some red flags.

One of the children even told another priest about it and the priest did nothing. Priests have to take every allegation seriously. Parents seemed to be aware enough to tell people to stay clear of him but did not get police involved. Again a lot of adults let children down by not listening or taking proper action.

And how does a guy that gets tossed out of the seminary for trying to perform a circuмcision on himself end up being a counselor of children?

I was informed recently that the suspect attended a Resistance Christmas Vigil in Post Falls a couple of years ago and one of his family members also in attendance made sotto voce comments that the suspect had "brought his 14 year old boyfriend" to the Mass. The person who related this to me was a minor at the time and probably didn't understand what was being said. So this shows that the family of the suspect was aware of his activities long before the arrest.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #145 on:** November 01, 2015, 02:11:41 PM »

Quote from: LucasL

Many Catholics use poor and criminals as means for salvation just like marxists.

They think the poors have some kind of special sanctity just because they lack "materials" goods.

Same thing for the criminals. These are not the ones excluded from the society. They have excluded themselves and we need to see if they are really sorry and fear God, then we may cry for them. First look at your own family and your neighbour, then you may want to have mercy on criminals.

Yeah, you are right. There are plenty of poor people that don't rob and rape. It is a disgrace that families allow pedophiles, incest and sodomy in their families because they come off as being "nice."

Lucas, where are you from?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #146 on:** November 01, 2015, 02:19:10 PM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

Quote from: ClarkSmith

The fact that he was buying children expensive gifts and taking over night trips with them should have brought up some red flags.

One of the children even told another priest about it and the priest did nothing. Priests have to take every allegation seriously. Parents seemed to be aware enough to tell people to stay clear of him but did not get police involved. Again a lot of adults let children down by not listening or taking proper action.

And how does a guy that gets tossed out of the seminary for trying to perform a circuмcision on himself end up being a counselor of children?

I was informed recently that the suspect attended a Resistance Christmas Vigil in Post Falls a couple of years ago and one of his family members also in attendance made sotto voce comments that the suspect had "brought his 14 year old boyfriend" to the Mass. The person who related this to me was a minor at the time and probably didn't understand what was being said. So this shows that the family of the suspect was aware of his activities long before the arrest.

They are accomplice to sin and crime.

If they have info, they should contact the law.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #147 on:** November 01, 2015, 04:41:48 PM »

Quote from: rum

"Fortunately my husband has access to criminal records and mental health records. He checks everybody we know. Everybody."

That sounds a wee bit illegal.

First of all, it is perfectly legal. It's his job.

Second of all, I don't give two cents about these pedos privacy. They don't get better, they keep offending.

My children are safe today because my husband knows who is an offender or not.

BTW, everyone has access to public records. Criminal records are public, as are home deeds, and property transactions.

Don't be an idiot.

If I can protect my children, I will.

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #148 on:** November 01, 2015, 04:53:10 PM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

Let's not assume that her husband lacks legal authority to conduct these searches. It's not illegal in all states to do it without pre-existing probable cause.

Criminal records are public records. My husband has access to the entire data base. It is not illegal to check it.

As for the mental health records, he only relates the public record--whether or not this person was committed for a dangerous situation. Also perfectly legal, and a matter of public record.

I am glad he does it. My kids are safe. Other children in my neighborhood are not.

Trust me you never know. These pedos lie in wait for your kids. You can't be with them 24 hours a day. To think you can is unrealistic and idiotic. They do grow up.

I have seen trad kids sheltered their entire lives, leave home for college, or work and really fall into dangerous situations because they had zero clue at how the world works and how to discern people"s character.

Is that what you want for your kids?

rum · « **Reply #149 on:** November 01, 2015, 05:01:44 PM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

Quote from: rum
"Fortunately my husband has access to criminal records and mental health records. He checks everybody we know. Everybody."

That sounds a wee bit illegal.

First of all, it is perfectly legal. It's his job.

Second of all, I don't give two cents about these pedos privacy. They don't get better, they keep offending.

My children are safe today because my husband knows who is an offender or not.

BTW, everyone has access to public records. Criminal records are public, as are home deeds, and property transactions.

Don't be an idiot.

If I can protect my children, I will.

Based on the way you phrased it it's perfectly reasonable for me to question whether he's breaking the law. You said that he has access to mental health records, which I assumed means that he's accessing information not open to the public and then sharing confidential information with people.

I know that some mental health information is accessible to the public, such as that on pedophiles.