Many Catholics use poor and criminals as means for salvation just like marxists.

They think the poors have some kind of special sanctity just because they lack "materials" goods.

Same thing for the criminals. These are not the ones excluded from the society. They have excluded themselves and we need to see if they are really sorry and fear God, then we may cry for them. First look at your own family and your neighbour, then you may want to have mercy on criminals.

well , I don't like this comment. Same mistakes you made before.

Yes, you've made it quite clear that you dislike anything having to do with charity.

I don't think that anyone is downplaying the terrible gravity of Sloniker's crimes. ... Thank goodness that Sloniker is behind bars, but I still hope that he can repent.

This ^^^

Some people mistake having charity for Sloniker as being the same as "making excuses".  There can no excuse legally.  Yet God alone will judge him in the internal forum.  We judge his actions to be deplorable in the external forum, but the degree of guilt only God knows and only God has the right to judge.  I'm sure that this will be met again with the idiocy of the Francis pictures ... from someone on this thread who isn't even a Catholic.  But the point is that the Church has NEVER judged the internal forum (de internis Ecclesia non judicat).  What Francis did (and the Relatio does), however, is to make internal forum considerations trump the objective external forum.

Honestly, if all Traditional Catholics had the same attitude as some of you posters on this thread, I would run, not walk, but run back into the Novus Ordo.

Don't look back Lot's wife

I don't think that anyone is downplaying the terrible gravity of Sloniker's crimes.

I ask myself where posters direct their focus. With some posters the requirements of justice seems like a formality, admitted to be sure but mostly, it appears, to get them over with so that they may dwell on mitigation for child rapists and florid exhortations not to judge pedophiles, lest ye be found having "darkness in your soul."

1. Grace builds on nature
2. Attending a centuries-old Mass once a week in a dead language (Latin) does NOT cover up all psychological, emotional, and mental issues that a person might have. Or any other baggage for that matter.
3. You still have to be prudent and careful, even with fellow Trads.
4. Trads commit sin too. Not just silly, common, non-embarrassing sins, either.
5. Yes, that includes the big ones -- adultery, fornication, etc.

A great number of Trads are into fantasy games and things of that nature. They think they are "mature" enough to get into such gaming, but do not realize it has nothing to do with maturity. Instead, these types of games have been consistently found to be gateways into the occult. It may not always manifest in that way, but instead might take the form of malign spiritual oppression. This can lead to extreme depression, sɛҳuąƖ aberration, psychosis and other mental instabilities.

Quote from: Ladislaus

In my past experience (I knew all the Urrugigoity crew, another seminarian who was obviously in my mind gαy and who later shacked up with some guy openly, etc.), here are some warning signs:

1) If a priest/seminarian/brother/cleric is excessively meticulous about his appearance (constantly ironing things, attached inordinately to expensive cassocks, really into lace and frilly surplices, seems very materialistic in other ways).

I'm not sure about this though. This would mean putting someone like Fulton Sheen in this category. I can see it leading to pride, but not necessarily into gαyville. What about marines and other army vets who go to seminary? They are known for pressing, shining (shoes), shaving, and combing their hair.

Obviously none of these things taken in isolation is definitive.  That's just one thing all these guy had in common.  Besides, it's one thing to be clean, etc. and another thing to be vain.  You know the difference between the guy who just stays clean but is otherwise manly and the guys who have an almost effeminate vanity about them.  So if you see this and you see some other things that off the gαydar, just be cautious.

I haven't read all these replies, so forgive me if I repeat something that has already been said.

After coming to tradition and SSPX from the modern worldliness of Protestantism and Novus Ordo, I found most people to be fairly niave regarding the ways of the world.

At first I found this quite refreshing.  But when an incident occurred with our best friends that could have been prevented if only people knew the signs of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and perversion, I realized that this naivetee is very dangerous not only to the children and parents but also to the priests as well.

A priest today simply cannot be too "friendly" toward the children outside the presence of the parents.  This is just a terribly sad fact.  A great many trad priests don't understand this and often offer to give classes for this or that or take the children on some field trip, etc.  Unfortunately this opens up the portal of accusations and suspicion.  There have been any number of priests wrongly accused of misconduct.  I know of two who were accused of intoxicating young boys and possibly taking advantage of them.  None of this was true, of course, but the entire scandal could have been avoided.  We do not live in the 19th century.

Parents today just cannot trust anyone.  I am sorry to say that, but you just can't.  We must be on guard constantly.  We are VERY cautious about where our children go and who they go with.  Fortunately my husband has access to criminal records and mental health records.  He checks everybody we know.  Everybody.  On many occasions, without violating anyone's privacy, I have warned parents to rethink allowing their children to go to certain people's homes.

Ultimately we are responsible for our children's welfare.  

I might also add, just because someone is a trad priest, it does not mean that they are trustworthy with  your kids.  Be cautious.

Also, I don't know if this is an issue in SSPX or even FSSP, but in independent circles some of the priests were once NO priests, have left for various reasons, and have been conditionally ordained by some bishop somewhere.  I caution people always, always, always, to check these priests out before trusting their children with them.  Some of these priests have been removed from their NO dioceses for terrible acts and have gravitated toward tradition because they like the bells and smells and because trad parents are often very naive.  It makes their young boys easy prey.  

In regards to the report, my biggest question seems to be why in the world a parent would allow a child to travel on the road alone with a truck driver?  

Please, parents, do not check your brain at the door around traditional Catholics.  They are not immune to sinful thoughts and behaviors!  We have a duty to protect our kids!