DECLARATION OF THE PONTIFICAL COMMISSION "ECCLESIA DEI"
Vatican Information Service
http://visnews-en.blogspot.co.uk/
Saturday, 27th October, 2012

VATICAN CITY, (VIS) - The following English-language declaration was issued this morning by the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei".

"The Pontifical Commission 'Ecclesia Dei' takes this occasion to announce that, in its most recent official communication (6 September 2012), the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X has indicated that additional time for reflection and study is needed on their part as they prepare their response to the Holy See’s latest initiatives....

Just a few months ago, a culminating point along this difficult path was reached when, on 13 June 2012, the Pontifical Commission presented to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X a doctrinal declaration together with a proposal for the canonical normalisation of its status within the Catholic Church.

At the present time, the Holy See is awaiting the official response of the superiors of the Priestly Fraternity to these two docuмents....."



LEFEBVRIANS ASK FOR MORE TIME
Vatican Insider - La Stampa
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvrianio-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-19242/
Saturday 27th October, 2012, Alessandro Speciale, Vatican City

"Lefebvrians need more time before they can respond to the Vatican’s offer of reconciliation and the Holy See seems willing to concede it. A statement issued today by the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” - which is in charge of relations with traditionalist communities within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and led by the Congregation’s prefect, Mgr. Gerhard Ludwig Müller – stated that last 6 September the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X asked for “additional time for reflection and study” in order to prepare its response to the Holy See’s reconciliation proposal.

"Ecclesia Dei" recognises that “after thirty years of separation, it is understandable that time is needed to absorb the significance of these recent developments”....

.... last week, Lefebvrian leaders announced the exclusion of Mgr. Richard Williamson, one of the Fraternity’s four bishops, from the Society of St. Pius X. Mgr. Williamson had been on a collision course with SSPX leaders because of his refusal to make any compromise whatsoever with Rome and because he had asked Fellay to resign..... The “Ecclesia Dei” statement makes no reference to Williamson’s expulsion, which the Holy See was very much in favour of...."



EXPULSION OF +WILLIAMSON WILL FACILITATE PRACTICAL DEAL
DPA/German News Agency
http://religion.orf.at/stories/2555877/
Wednesday 24th October, 2012,  Fr. Andreas Steiner , SSPX Media Spokesman

"The decision will certainly facilitate the talks"
"Die Entscheidung wird die Gespräche sicherlich erleichtern“



SSPX FUTURE TO BE DECIDED BY MAJORITARIANISM
DICI
http://www.dici.org/en/news/the-useful-lesson-from-the-recent-trial/
Saturday 13th October, 2012, Bishop de Galarreta, Villepreux Speech

"A deliberative Chapter means that the decision made by the absolute majority—one half of the votes plus one, which seemed reasonable to us—that decision will be followed by the Society.

.... it is unthinkable that the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter. [The sentence that follows is omitted by the DICI transcript but can be heard on the audio recording] And if by chance, the unthinkable happens, then so be it, anyway, we will do what the majority thinks"....

.... it is unthinkable that the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter.

The hand-picked priests of Bishop Fellay are infallibly prudent.

And if by chance, the unthinkable happens, then so be it, anyway, we will do what the majority thinks

  And if not, it doesn't matter, they're going to do what he wants anyway.  Interesting.

Quote from: Telesphorus

John "the deal is dead" Lane seems to be making himself scarce these days.

 :roll-laugh1:

Anyone else wonder if John "the deal is dead" Mcfarland and John "the deal is dead" Lane are one and the same person?

Certainly not me.

John Lane is far more cold and intellectual.

McFarland is more of a blowhard of average intelligence, a ham-fisted apologist for Bp. Fellay and the SSPX hierarchy.

There is no similarity between them whatsoever, aside from their first name and perhaps their "favorite bishop" when presented with A) Bp. Fellay B) Bishop Williamson

They're both Australian...McFarland was quoting the Adelaide conference of (+) Fellay over on IA...I'm just saying...

Quote from: bernadette

Quote from: Telesphorus

John "the deal is dead" Lane seems to be making himself scarce these days.

 :roll-laugh1:

Anyone else wonder if John "the deal is dead" Mcfarland and John "the deal is dead" Lane are one and the same person?

John Lane is the sedevacantist who champions Bishop Fellay, and John McFarland accuses those who oppose Bishop Fellay of being "practical" sedevacantists.

As both of them seem to tie themselves up in logical knots, they might have some sort of metaphysical entanglement.

John Lane is a man who loves the truth and follows the truth wherever it leads.  When John Lane stated the deal is dead, that is because he truly believes the deal is dead.  He is not a cheerleader for any person, he is a man who carefully studies the evidence and makes the appropriate conclusions.

One other thing, Mr. Lane has not been silent lately on the issues regarding the SSPX.  He has posted some articles and commentary on his discussion forum:  http://strobertbellarmine.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=13

Only time will tell what will happen.  No one really knows what is going on in the mind of Bp. Fellay.  There is endless speculation, but no hard evidence.  

It seems to me the only prudent course of action during this is to pray and wait.  That slow and measured approach is very hard to do, but Catholics should never give in to hysteria.  

From my point of view, this is all a distraction anyway.  The real problem is that Church, not the SSPX, is in the gravest crisis in its history.  We are a tiny remnant now of what we once were, and it is only getting worse.  

In the big SSPX churches, perhaps you have felt some normalcy during the crisis, but it is only an illusion.  There is nothing normal about our times.  When a hurricane is pounding your town, and you are in a shelter, you may say, "I am safe, the emergency for me is over."  But, unknown to you, the shelter, is built on sand, it is not on a firm foundation, and it can come apart at any time.

The Church is built on the rock of Peter and the bishops in union with him.  This storm will not end until we have a Pope again and under him the rebuilding of the hierarchy.  

DECLARATION OF THE PONTIFICAL COMMISSION "ECCLESIA DEI"
Vatican Information Service
http://visnews-en.blogspot.co.uk/
Saturday, 27th October, 2012

VATICAN CITY, (VIS) - The following English-language declaration was issued this morning by the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei".

"The Pontifical Commission 'Ecclesia Dei' takes this occasion to announce that, in its most recent official communication (6 September 2012), the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X has indicated that additional time for reflection and study is needed on their part as they prepare their response to the Holy See’s latest initiatives....

Just a few months ago, a culminating point along this difficult path was reached when, on 13 June 2012, the Pontifical Commission presented to the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X a doctrinal declaration together with a proposal for the canonical normalisation of its status within the Catholic Church.

At the present time, the Holy See is awaiting the official response of the superiors of the Priestly Fraternity to these two docuмents....."



LEFEBVRIANS ASK FOR MORE TIME
Vatican Insider - La Stampa
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/lefebvrianio-lefebvrians-lefebvrianos-19242/
Saturday 27th October, 2012, Alessandro Speciale, Vatican City

"Lefebvrians need more time before they can respond to the Vatican’s offer of reconciliation and the Holy See seems willing to concede it. A statement issued today by the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” - which is in charge of relations with traditionalist communities within the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and led by the Congregation’s prefect, Mgr. Gerhard Ludwig Müller – stated that last 6 September the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X asked for “additional time for reflection and study” in order to prepare its response to the Holy See’s reconciliation proposal.

"Ecclesia Dei" recognises that “after thirty years of separation, it is understandable that time is needed to absorb the significance of these recent developments”....

.... last week, Lefebvrian leaders announced the exclusion of Mgr. Richard Williamson, one of the Fraternity’s four bishops, from the Society of St. Pius X. Mgr. Williamson had been on a collision course with SSPX leaders because of his refusal to make any compromise whatsoever with Rome and because he had asked Fellay to resign..... The “Ecclesia Dei” statement makes no reference to Williamson’s expulsion, which the Holy See was very much in favour of...."



EXPULSION OF +WILLIAMSON WILL FACILITATE PRACTICAL DEAL
DPA/German News Agency
http://religion.orf.at/stories/2555877/
Wednesday 24th October, 2012,  Fr. Andreas Steiner , SSPX Media Spokesman

"The decision will certainly facilitate the talks"
"Die Entscheidung wird die Gespräche sicherlich erleichtern“



SSPX FUTURE TO BE DECIDED BY MAJORITARIANISM
DICI
http://www.dici.org/en/news/the-useful-lesson-from-the-recent-trial/
Saturday 13th October, 2012, Bishop de Galarreta, Villepreux Speech

"A deliberative Chapter means that the decision made by the absolute majority—one half of the votes plus one, which seemed reasonable to us—that decision will be followed by the Society.

.... it is unthinkable that the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter. [The sentence that follows is omitted by the DICI transcript but can be heard on the audio recording] And if by chance, the unthinkable happens, then so be it, anyway, we will do what the majority thinks"....

MAJORITARIANISM

 :roll-laugh1: Is this even a word?!

"A deliberative Chapter means that the decision made by the absolute majority—one half of the votes plus one, which seemed reasonable to us—that decision will be followed by the Society.

.... it is unthinkable that the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter.

Hmm, just because the majority believes something, doesn't make it necessarily so.




According to this chart, the majority are NOT Catholic. So that means, according to this way of thinking, that -we- must be wrong, because the majority of the world is NOT Catholic. Not only that, but if we go along with their line of thinking, this means that we should just roll over and accept the Novus Ordo and Vatican II because the majority of Catholics fell for it, and are still in a hootenanny trance to this day.

 :scratchchin:

I'm sticking with Bishop Williamson, thank you very much.

SSPX FUTURE TO BE DECIDED BY MAJORITARIANISM
DICI
http://www.dici.org/en/news/the-useful-lesson-from-the-recent-trial/
Saturday 13th October, 2012, Bishop de Galarreta, Villepreux Speech

"A deliberative Chapter means that the decision made by the absolute majority—one half of the votes plus one, which seemed reasonable to us—that decision will be followed by the Society.

.... it is unthinkable that the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter. [The sentence that follows is omitted by the DICI transcript but can be heard on the audio recording] And if by chance, the unthinkable happens, then so be it, anyway, we will do what the majority thinks"....

How interesting... Bishop de Galarreta says that "... it seems reasonable ... that a decision will be followed by the Society with one half of the votes plus one...". He goes on: "... it is unthinkable tha the majority could be wrong in a prudential matter."

Oh, yes, is that why 3 bishops declared it was not right to seek an agreement with Rome, and one bishop denounced the 3 bishops and called them names, including being possible sedevacantists, and went ahead with what he wanted to do?

 :roll-laugh1:  :roll-laugh1: ho ho ho, and a bottle of rum! Something, somewhere, ain't right! It jus' ain't right!