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SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
« on: October 21, 2017, 08:17:58 PM »
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  • Non Possumus (10-21-17)

    "THE ONLY ONE THAT IS CLEAR IS THE CONFUSION"





    The site Panorama Católico publishes a summary of the conference given by Bishop Fellay in Buenos Aires on October 8, during the celebration of "the first 40 years of the FSSPX in Argentina" (note, incidentally, the presumption with which these words take for granted that there will be another 40 years ...).


    Two quotes:


    "Francisco, who has immediately pursued some more traditional institutes, has nevertheless made concessions incomprehensible to the SSPX."


    NP comments: Incomprehensible? How plain! Francisco, the supermodernist demolisher, wants to have the traditionalist sectors ( lato sensu ) under his control , but since the FSSPX, the most important traditionalist group in the world, is still outside the official structure, the first thing it needs to control it is integrate it into this structure by way of canonical regularization. What is incomprehensible?


    The article ends as follows: As one lady said at the end of this exhibition, she took the stage to receive a tribute for her long services to the Fraternity in Argentina: "After hearing these things, the only thing that is clear to us is the confusion " .


    NP Comments: The " devilish confusion " of which Sister Lucy used to speak, entered the Church with the Satanic Vatican II and the SSPX when, in 2012, Bishop Fellay's attempt to reach agreement practical, traitorous and suicidal with apostate Rome. The fact that the diabolical disorientation has finally managed to penetrate the SSPX is a fair punishment for having discarded it by making them a dead letter, these wise words of its founder, Monsignor Lefebvre:  

    " Assuming that for some time Rome makes a call, that they want to receive us, to resume the negotiations; in that moment, I will be the one who will put the conditions. I will no longer agree to place myself in the situation in which we have met in these colloquia. It's over. I will ask: Do you agree with the great encyclicals of all the popes that have preceded you? Do you agree with the Quanta priest of Pius IX, Immortale Dei ,Libertas of Leo XIII, Pascendi of Pius X, Quas cousins of Pius XI, Humani generisof Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these popes and their claims? Do you still accept the anti-modernist oath? Are you in the social realm of Our Lord Jesus Christ? If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to speak. As long as you do not accept to reform the council, considering the doctrine of those popes that have preceded you, there is no possible dialogue. It's useless. Thus the positions will be clearer. (Fideliter n ° 66, September - October 1988, pp. 12-14).

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    (*): Sister Lucy warns of the diabolical disorientation of the members of the Hierarchy, and calls on Catholics: "it is necessary to face it."

    In 1957, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, before and after 1960, the year the Secret should have been reported, Sister Lucy seemed to indicate what the Secret contained. In these statements, Sister Lucy speaks of the devil gaining power over priests and consecrated souls. It talks about the devilish disorientation that is infecting the high hierarchy.

    In her 1957 conversation with Father Fuentes, Sr. Lucia said: "Father, the devil is waging a decisive battle with the Virgin; and as he knows what is most offensive to God and what, in less time, will make him gain more souls, he is trying to win the souls consecrated to God, since in this way he also leaves the field of souls forsaken, and more easily seizes them. "

    He wrote to Mother Martins in 1970: "It is painful to see such disorientation, and in so many people who hold positions of responsibility! ... is that the Devil has managed to infiltrate evil, with a layer of virtue, and are blind leading others blind, as the Lord tells us in His Gospel; and souls are deceived. " It is noteworthy that in 1957 Sister Lucy said that the devil was waging a decisive battle. By 1971, it says that the demon "has managed to infiltrate evil". Sister Lucia continues: "I sacrifice and offer my life to God; for the peace of His Church, for the priests and for all the consecrated souls, especially for those who are so deceived and so misleading! ... (The devil) has managed to deceive and deceive many souls who, by the positions they occupy, have a great responsibility ... They are blind that guide other blind people. " "It is the diabolical disorientation that invades the world and deceives souls! It is necessary to face it ... "

    Sor Lucia's marching orders reconfirm our duty as Catholics. Let us keep the true Faith, the true Mass, the daily Rosary, and publicly resist the destructive aggiornamento Conciliar in any legitimate way that we can.

    (Excerpt from this article Sister Lucy spoke on several other occasions of the "devilish confusion" prevailing in the Church today)


    Posted by Non Possumus at 10/21/17 3:54
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2017, 12:48:50 AM »
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  • The SSPX are in Argentina because of the help of then Cardinal Bergoglio (Now Pope Francis)


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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2017, 01:11:16 AM »
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  • The SSPX are in Argentina because of the help of then Cardinal Bergoglio
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  
    Although I don't remember ever agreeing with you previously on any topic. This  I agree with.
    Mr. Bergoglio asked the then-minister of foreign relations (Ministro de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto) to take care of the +Williamson problem for Bernie and company.

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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2017, 01:29:54 AM »
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  • Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 
    Unless the batteries are dead, it's missing hands, or there's no vane to cast a shadow; in this case, it is right once a day at most, and only if you're using military time.

    I'm pretty sure Jorge the Heretic is in the 1- category.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    « Reply #4 on: October 27, 2017, 10:37:08 PM »
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  • Even a broken clock is right twice a day.  
    Although I don't remember ever agreeing with you previously on any topic. This  I agree with.
    Mr. Bergoglio asked the then-minister of foreign relations (Ministro de Relaciones Exteriores y Culto) to take care of the +Williamson problem for Bernie and company.
    That is one reason why I say that he is really a friend of Catholic Tradition.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 03:55:07 PM »
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  • That is one reason why I say that he is really a friend of Catholic Tradition.
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    With a "friend" like that who needs an enemy?
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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #6 on: October 28, 2017, 04:00:27 PM »
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    TYPOS!!
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    Do you agree with the Quanta priest of Pius IX, Immortale Dei, Libertas of Leo XIII, Pascendi of Pius X, Quas cousins of Pius XI, Humani generis of Pius XII?
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    Quanta priest? (Quanta cura)
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    Quas cousins? (Quas primas)
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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 06:26:55 PM »
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  • The SSPX are in Argentina because of the help of then Cardinal Bergoglio (Now Pope Francis)
    Poche, 

    I suggest that you do more research and re-calibrate your comments on the SSPX in Argentina and the Pope.

    As it stands, what you stated comes off as disturbingly naive and/or misleading.

    The SSPX established a presence in Argentina, with the help of the Catholic traditionalists, not the Jesuits.


             +ABL in Cordoba, Argentina in 1980

    In the 1980s, Fr. Jorge Bergolio, was under the influence of Jesuit's Liberation Theology and the jews.




    He has many jewish friends and has given the enemies of Christ, so many liberties.


    Card Bergolio with the jews, Nestor and Cristina Kirchner

    (As you may recall, Cristina Kirchner officially kicked Bp. Williamson out of Argentina in 2009).


    In his career, Fr. Bergolio has demonstrated no affinity to Catholic tradition.

    The story of Card. Bergolio, influencing the recognition of the SSPX goes back to 2011, but appears to be purely a political construct, to get the SSPX legally recognized by the Argentine government and the Consiliar church.  

    In other words, the SSPX would be absorbed into newChurch, at least through Argentina.  
    Bp. Fellay was definitely a co-conspirator in this underhanded effort.

    Bergolio outreach to the SSPX

    Go then to 2013, when Card. Bergolio's successors let the jews into the Buenos Aires Cathedral to desecrate the sanctuary in order to carry-out a sacrilegious Kristallnact ritual.

    There were SSPX students and priests on-hand to protest the event per the following video:
    Liturgia de Conmemoración de la Kristallnacht 2013

    You need to understand what's happening here?  
    The modernist Catholic leaders are bringing Talmudic rabbis right into our Churches.

    But, Bp. Fellay had Argentina's SSPX District Superior condemn the young SSPX men for their efforts.

    So, to keep the record straight, Bp. Fellay is a co-conspirator, with newChurch and the Jews, to undermine Catholic tradition, not restore it.

    Therefore, your comment is off the wall and on this forum... you need to be corrected.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 06:35:09 PM »
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  • Poche,

    I suggest that you do more research and re-calibrate your comments on the SSPX in Argentina and the Pope.

    As it stands, what you stated comes off as disturbingly naive and/or misleading.

    The SSPX established a presence in Argentina, with the help of the Catholic traditionalists, not the Jesuits.


            +ABL in Cordoba, Argentina in 1980

    In the 1980s, Fr. Jorge Bergolio, was under the influence of Jesuit's Liberation Theology and the jews.




    He has many jewish friends and has given the enemies of Christ, so many liberties.


    Card Bergolio with the jews, Nestor and Cristina Kirchner

    (As you may recall, Cristina Kirchner officially kicked Bp. Williamson out of Argentina in 2009).


    In his career, Fr. Bergolio has demonstrated no affinity to Catholic tradition.

    The story of Card. Bergolio, influencing the recognition of the SSPX goes back to 2011, but appears to be purely a political construct, to get the SSPX legally recognized by the Argentine government and the Consiliar church.  

    In other words, the SSPX would be absorbed into newChurch, at least through Argentina.  
    Bp. Fellay was definitely a co-conspirator in this underhanded effort.

    Bergolio outreach to the SSPX

    Go then to 2013, when Card. Bergolio's successors let the jews into the Buenos Aires Cathedral to desecrate the sanctuary in order to carry-out a sacrilegious Kristallnact ritual.

    There were SSPX students and priests on-hand to protest the event per the following video:
    Liturgia de Conmemoración de la Kristallnacht 2013

    You need to understand what's happening here?  
    The modernist Catholic leaders are bringing Talmudic rabbis right into our Churches.

    But, Bp. Fellay had Argentina's SSPX District Superior condemn the young SSPX men for their efforts.

    So, to keep the record straight, Bp. Fellay is a co-conspirator, with newChurch and the Jews, to undermine Catholic tradition, not restore it.

    Therefore, your comment is off the wall and on this forum... you need to be corrected.
    I've only found one weak cite, but perhaps you've better; didn't Bergo teach "Theology" to Jesuits at least at one point?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: SSPX Argentina tells Bp. Fellay he's confused.
    « Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 10:49:55 PM »
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  • Poche,

    I suggest that you do more research and re-calibrate your comments on the SSPX in Argentina and the Pope.

    As it stands, what you stated comes off as disturbingly naive and/or misleading.

    The SSPX established a presence in Argentina, with the help of the Catholic traditionalists, not the Jesuits.


            +ABL in Cordoba, Argentina in 1980

    In the 1980s, Fr. Jorge Bergolio, was under the influence of Jesuit's Liberation Theology and the jews.




    He has many jewish friends and has given the enemies of Christ, so many liberties.


    Card Bergolio with the jews, Nestor and Cristina Kirchner

    (As you may recall, Cristina Kirchner officially kicked Bp. Williamson out of Argentina in 2009).


    In his career, Fr. Bergolio has demonstrated no affinity to Catholic tradition.

    The story of Card. Bergolio, influencing the recognition of the SSPX goes back to 2011, but appears to be purely a political construct, to get the SSPX legally recognized by the Argentine government and the Consiliar church.  

    In other words, the SSPX would be absorbed into newChurch, at least through Argentina.  
    Bp. Fellay was definitely a co-conspirator in this underhanded effort.

    Bergolio outreach to the SSPX

    Go then to 2013, when Card. Bergolio's successors let the jews into the Buenos Aires Cathedral to desecrate the sanctuary in order to carry-out a sacrilegious Kristallnact ritual.

    There were SSPX students and priests on-hand to protest the event per the following video:
    Liturgia de Conmemoración de la Kristallnacht 2013

    You need to understand what's happening here?  
    The modernist Catholic leaders are bringing Talmudic rabbis right into our Churches.

    But, Bp. Fellay had Argentina's SSPX District Superior condemn the young SSPX men for their efforts.

    So, to keep the record straight, Bp. Fellay is a co-conspirator, with newChurch and the Jews, to undermine Catholic tradition, not restore it.

    Therefore, your comment is off the wall and on this forum... you need to be corrected.
    Bishop Williamson got to live in Argentina because of then Cardinal Bergoglio (now Pope Francis) favorable intervention with the Argentine immigration. 

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    « Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 10:53:01 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson got to live in Argentina because of then Cardinal Bergoglio (now Pope Francis) favorable intervention with the Argentine immigration.
    Uh uh.. No. Williamson got kicked out of Argentina because of Mr. Bergoglio's "favorable intervention with the Argentine immigration" in 2009.


    Seems the 300,000 figure did not bode well with the Argentine jews. BERGoglio included.
    "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." -Pope St. Pius X

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  • Uh uh.. No. Williamson got kicked out of Argentina because of Mr. Bergoglio's "favorable intervention with the Argentine immigration" in 2009.
    When the SSPX was being established in Argentina they were told that in order for them to remain there for any length of time that they would have to be vouched for by the official representatives of the Catholic Church (aka Cardinal Bergoglio) Then Cardinal Bergoglio vouched for them to the Argentine immigration department and he and his other foreign associates were able to remain in the country.

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  • When the SSPX was being established in Argentina they were told that in order for them to remain there for any length of time that they would have to be vouched for by the official representatives of the Catholic Church (aka Cardinal Bergoglio) Then Cardinal Bergoglio vouched for them to the Argentine immigration department and he and his other foreign associates were able to remain in the country.
    I am referring specifically about +Williamson. BERGoglio asked his friend Jorge Taiana, who was chancellor of foreign relations to expel +Williamson from Argentina.  Are you deliberately obtuse?

    They man is in the masonic club with BERGoglio and company.
    http://itongadol.com/noticias/val/89984/video-ano-nuevo-judio-salutacion-por-rosh-hashana-de-jorge-taiana-y-omar-abboud.html
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    "No Jew adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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  • "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." -Pope St. Pius X

    "No Jew adores God! Who say so?  The Son of God say so."

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  • Uh uh.. No. Williamson got kicked out of Argentina because of Mr. Bergoglio's "favorable intervention with the Argentine immigration" in 2009.


    Seems the 300,000 figure did not bode well with the Argentine jews. BERGoglio included.
    B is Argentinian? Huh...

    j/k
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