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Quote from: Gustinau 19/08/2026, 19:10:29
No. No one who denies the Son has the Father. They may claim to worship a singular god all they like, it is not the Blessed Trinity, and nowhere in St. Pius X Catechism does it say they worship God.

So, I actually agree with this. Those Muslims WHO DENY THE SON/REJECT THE SON obviously do not worship God the Father nor can they be saved. But the Pope Saint Pius X Catechism clearly says Muslims can be saved, which means they worship God in some sense, e.g. if they are inculpably ignorant of Christ, but still want to worship God the Creator as best they can. I agree the "angel" who appeared to Mahomet, if Mahomet didn't just invent the story, was most likely a fallen angel, i.e. a demon. That doesn't change the fact that someone who wants to worship the God of Abraham, or God the Creator of the Universe, is, in an imperfect, limited sense, worshipping God. Of course, he still has to be converted to Christ to be saved. 

CCC 161: "161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42"

CCC 846: ... Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

So, I actually agree with this. Those Muslims WHO DENY THE SON/REJECT THE SON obviously do not worship God the Father nor can they be saved. But the Pope Saint Pius X Catechism clearly says Muslims can be saved, which means they worship God in some sense, e.g. if they are inculpably ignorant of Christ, but still want to worship God the Creator as best they can. I agree the "angel" who appeared to Mahomet, if Mahomet didn't just invent the story, was most likely a fallen angel, i.e. a demon. That doesn't change the fact that someone who wants to worship the God of Abraham, or God the Creator of the Universe, is, in an imperfect, limited sense, worshipping God. Of course, he still has to be converted to Christ to be saved.

CCC 161: "161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42"

CCC 846: ... Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

They can't be saved by their own religion.  Their religion is a false one and has false understandings and a false God.   They can be saved if the are invinciblely ignorant of the Truth and they naturally follow all the rules set on their hearts by God.

This means that if this Muslim person was exposed to Catholicism they would convert immediately.

This is how I understand it.  I hope I understood it correctly.