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Author Topic: SSPX are truly the enemy  (Read 1195 times)

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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #30 on: Today at 05:08:30 AM »
 You know you can't logically refute the Indult Catholic perspective from Church teaching, 
The changes to the new rites of ordination for priests and consecrations for bishops constitute a position doubt, the church teaches that doubtful sacraments are invalid and you cannot receive them unless in danger of death. 

So the indult doesn't have valid Sacraments or a valid mass (as no consecration takes place).

Offline Stubborn

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Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #31 on: Today at 05:22:21 AM »
Like I said above, the Ortho Schismatics have the Mass too.
Except the SSPX are not Ortho Schismatics, for whatever else you want to keep spewing, they were founded by the good +ABL and have provided true priests with the true Mass and sacraments to who knows how many souls, likely in the 10s of millions by now, and it is through them that in the last 60 years, it is likely that there are 100s of millions of people who heard and know there is such a thing as a Latin Mass and traditional Catholic faith who likely would have never heard of it otherwise. 

Honestly, there is something very wrong with you since all of your posts can only hope to be the cause of more division.

 


Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #32 on: Today at 05:22:48 AM »
 However, they have the right to ask, on behalf of the Universal Church, for greater freedoms for all priests to offer the TLM. 



"Please sir, may I have some Mass?"

Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #33 on: Today at 05:46:35 AM »
The changes to the new rites of ordination for priests and consecrations for bishops constitute a position doubt, the church teaches that doubtful sacraments are invalid and you cannot receive them unless in danger of death.

So the indult doesn't have valid Sacraments or a valid mass (as no consecration takes place).
This is what sede priests would like you to believe, and some of them openly admit they have no principled reason for it. They just don't want you going to the Indult, as that is a "competition" for them. As if saving souls is primarily about competition. Anyway, your opinion can be answered in various ways, but one of the shortest and simplest is from Eucharistic Miracles. A study of Eucharistic Miracles, including those that have caused Atheist Scientists to repent and become Roman Catholics, proves that the New Rites are valid. They obtain less grace from God, but sufficient grace for the Sacrament to be valid. The infallibility of the OUM proves the same. For, if 5000+ Bishops of the Universal Church use and approve these rites, it is obvious they cannot be invalid. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't realize he has denied OUM Infallibility, which was defined at Vatican I. A study of the new rites shows that they retain the parts necessary for validity. They are valid, although it is permissible to believe the Traditional Rites are objectively superior and preferred by Heaven. 

Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #34 on: Today at 05:49:00 AM »


"Please sir, may I have some Mass?"
There are some 400,000 Priests in the Universal Church. Some 600,000 Sisters. And some 100,000 Seminarians. Do you want to benefit all of them, or only your small group? This is one of the major issues with sedevacantist and sede-lite opinions, by introducing various conspiracy theories, it closes our eyes to the real needs of the Universal Church. Think of what a huge addition of graces it would be if for e.g. every one of the 400,000 Priest offered at least one TLM every Sunday in their Parishes. This is what the SSPX should focus on obtaining for all.