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Offline Telling

Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #60 on: Today at 02:14:52 AM »
Quote from: Gustinau on Yesterday at 08:40:29 AM
Quote from: Gustinau 19/08/2026, 19:10:29
No. No one who denies the Son has the Father. They may claim to worship a singular god all they like, it is not the Blessed Trinity, and nowhere in St. Pius X Catechism does it say they worship God.
So, I actually agree with this. Those Muslims WHO DENY THE SON/REJECT THE SON obviously do not worship God the Father nor can they be saved. But the Pope Saint Pius X Catechism clearly says Muslims can be saved, which means they worship God in some sense, e.g. if they are inculpably ignorant of Christ, but still want to worship God the Creator as best they can. I agree the "angel" who appeared to Mahomet, if Mahomet didn't just invent the story, was most likely a fallen angel, i.e. a demon. That doesn't change the fact that someone who wants to worship the God of Abraham, or God the Creator of the Universe, is, in an imperfect, limited sense, worshipping God. Of course, he still has to be converted to Christ to be saved. 

CCC 161: "161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42"

CCC 846: ... Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #61 on: Today at 04:57:00 AM »
Quote from: Telling on Today at 02:14:52 AM
So, I actually agree with this. Those Muslims WHO DENY THE SON/REJECT THE SON obviously do not worship God the Father nor can they be saved. But the Pope Saint Pius X Catechism clearly says Muslims can be saved, which means they worship God in some sense, e.g. if they are inculpably ignorant of Christ, but still want to worship God the Creator as best they can. I agree the "angel" who appeared to Mahomet, if Mahomet didn't just invent the story, was most likely a fallen angel, i.e. a demon. That doesn't change the fact that someone who wants to worship the God of Abraham, or God the Creator of the Universe, is, in an imperfect, limited sense, worshipping God. Of course, he still has to be converted to Christ to be saved.
If someone dies 'as' a muslim, they are damned. You need to stop believing additions made to fallible texts by the Church's enemies. 
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Offline Gray2023

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Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #62 on: Today at 05:18:24 AM »
Quote from: Telling on Today at 02:14:52 AM
So, I actually agree with this. Those Muslims WHO DENY THE SON/REJECT THE SON obviously do not worship God the Father nor can they be saved. But the Pope Saint Pius X Catechism clearly says Muslims can be saved, which means they worship God in some sense, e.g. if they are inculpably ignorant of Christ, but still want to worship God the Creator as best they can. I agree the "angel" who appeared to Mahomet, if Mahomet didn't just invent the story, was most likely a fallen angel, i.e. a demon. That doesn't change the fact that someone who wants to worship the God of Abraham, or God the Creator of the Universe, is, in an imperfect, limited sense, worshipping God. Of course, he still has to be converted to Christ to be saved.

CCC 161: "161 Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation.42"

CCC 846: ... Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
They can't be saved by their own religion.  Their religion is a false one and has false understandings and a false God.   They can be saved if the are invinciblely ignorant of the Truth and they naturally follow all the rules set on their hearts by God.

This means that if this Muslim person was exposed to Catholicism they would convert immediately.

This is how I understand it.  I hope I understood it correctly.  
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #63 on: Today at 08:51:50 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on Today at 05:18:24 AM
They can't be saved by their own religion.  Their religion is a false one and has false understandings and a false God.  They can be saved if the are invinciblely ignorant of the Truth and they naturally follow all the rules set on their hearts by God.

This means that if this Muslim person was exposed to Catholicism they would convert immediately.

This is how I understand it.  I hope I understood it correctly. 

No ... and this is the subjectivist Pelagian naturalistic poison that has infected nearly the entire world.

1) Ignorance cannot be salvific, merely exculpatory.
2) One is not saved merely by not having committed actual sin (that's Pelagian heresy in a nutshell).
3) Observance of the natural law cannot overcome Original Sin.

In order to be saved, one must have supernatural faith and supernatural charity, but following the natural law is ... merely natural virtue, or natural lack of acctual sin.

According to the Athanasian Creed, all the Doctors of the Church and several decision of the Holy Office, explicit faith in the Holy Trinity and tthe Incarnation are necessary for salvation ... and infidels canont be saved.

Where do the Sacraments fit into your theory?  Council of Trent taught dogmatically that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation, with the Sacrament of Baptism being absolutely necessary by necessity of means for salvation.  To deny this is heresy.  Yet 98% of Trads deny it openly and even condemn the opposite as being Feeneyite "heresy".

So not only do we have Anonymous Christians, Anonymous Catholics, but we have Anonymous Baptism.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX are truly the enemy
« Reply #64 on: Today at 08:53:39 PM »
Quote from: Telling on Today at 02:14:52 AM
So, I actually agree with this. Those Muslims WHO DENY THE SON/REJECT THE SON obviously do not worship God the Father nor can they be saved. But the Pope Saint Pius X Catechism clearly says Muslims can be saved, which means they worship God in some sense, e.g. if they are inculpably ignorant of Christ, but still want to worship God the Creator as best they can. 

Stop spewing heresy.  Nobody says that Muslims can be saved, you slanderous liar.

I'm so sick of watching self-proclaimed Trads spew foul heresy on a daily basis.
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