Author Topic: SSPX agrees to Romes verison of the meeting between Pope Paul and Bishop Lefebvr (Read 941 times)

Mr G · « **on:** June 09, 2018, 07:24:20 AM »

From Non Possumus: http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2018/06/menzingen-publica-comentario.html

Source: FSSPX NEWS First part Second part

Text in red is commentary from Non Possumus

On May 16, Vatican Insider published the minutes of the meeting between Bishop Lefebvre and Paul VI that took place on September 11, 1976. Said act appeared first in the book "The boat of Pablo", of the regent of the Pontifical House Leonardo Sapienza.

On May 17, Non Possumus published an entry on this. There we said the following: The published partial transcript is not reliable. If you compare it with the story of Msgr. Lefebvre, it becomes evident that someone (Sapienza ?, Benelli ?, Macchi ?, someone else?) Has falsified what was said in that meeting, something that does not surprise us in a way some, given the known lack of honesty of the modernists. Below readers can see that, in the days following the meeting, Monsignor Lefebvre accused the Vatican of lying in the information he gave on this hearing. (...) Until now there is an absolute silence of the Fraternity about this "secret act" that dishonors the memory of its founder, presenting him as a tormented, exalted, unpredictable, contradictory and vacillating man.

Well, on June 7, the SSPX, in an article divided into two parts and signed by Fr. Thouvenot, General Secretary of the SSPX; refers to the act published by apostate Rome:

1 ° Assuming, in general, the version of the modernists.

2 ° "Apologizing" to Bishop Lefebvre for having given his version "hot" (sic!) .

3 ° Minimizing the strong exchange of accusations that, in the days following the interview, occurred between Bishop Lefebvre and the Vatican in relation to the supposed oath against the pope.

4 ° Finally, and this is the most important thing, having the same accordist background that the publication of Vatican Insider had , for which we ratify today what was said on May 17: Why is that publication done right now? We do not know, but we can assume that this "revelation" is part of the Roman strategy to lead the SSPX towards the suicidal and traitorous agreement. (...) as a support to the idea - surpassed by the facts and definitively dismissed by Bishop Lefebvre, but resurrected by Bishop Fellay - to ask Rome to leave the SSPX "to make the experience of Tradition", being a recognized Fraternity and integrated into the official structure "as it is".

EXTRACTS FROM THE TEXT OF THE GENERAL SECRETARY OF THE NEO-FSSPX

With the publication of Mons. Sapienza's book on May 16, 2018, we now have two sources that reconstruct the famous interview between Pope Paul VI and Bishop Lefebvre on September 11, 1976, in Castelgandolfo.

The first source that related the event was the same Bishop Lefebvre, who immediately gave account of it to the seminarians of Ecône through two conferences recorded on September 12 and 18, 1976.

The second source, secret until now, consists of the transcription of the interview that the Pope asked to establish "as faithfully as possible". The words of the hearing were put in writing by Bishop Benelli, the substitute for the Secretary of State; they cover eight typed pages.

If Bishop Lefebvre's two lectures are an energetic reaction [ vivacious reenactment ], "hot" [ à chaud ], right after the interview and intended for his seminarians, they do not intend to exhaust the proceedings of the audience in its minute details. [Note the contrast: according to the Neo-FSSPX, Paul VI arranged for a record to be drawn up "as faithfully as possible", while Bishop Lefebvre related that conversation within the framework of a "strong reaction" "in hot ", that is, impulsively, passionately, serenely, not very objective]

The minutes of Mons. Benelli corroborate the general lines of the story of Bishop Lefebvre. However, there are differences.

Monsignor Lefebvre sincerely proposes to Peter's successor: to faithfully carry out the experiment of Tradition, using the Fraternity to build the Church. Not to stifle it or to marry it with the revolution, but to demonstrate to the authorities - to the bishops of the whole world - that this is the solution to the crisis of the Church.

On September 14, 1976, Bishop Lefebvre kept hope in the French television news: "A new climate was created, the ice broke ... It was a conversation, a first negotiation, so to speak. approve the green light, like all the experiments that are being done at this moment ... The Pope told me that he is consulting the Congregations about this possibility, Paul VI suggested that there would be a follow-up to this dialogue, but before two After all the tests that have separated us, we will not reach a solution in forty-eight hours ... For us it is not a matter of schism, we continue the Church ... In so far as the Pope is always in union with those who preceded him and transmits exactly the truth of his predecessors, we are perfectly in union.As soon as we begin to enter into novelties, it is necessary to examine if these changes are really in conformity with the Tradición " .

X · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2018, 07:51:30 AM »

The "memory hole:" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole

"Nineteen Eighty-Four's protagonist Winston Smith, who works in the Ministry of Truth, is routinely assigned the task of revising old newspaper articles in order to serve the propaganda interests of the government. For example, Smith may be called to retroactively change a statement about food rationing to reflect new policies.
The memory hole is referenced while O'Brien tortures Smith; O'Brien produces evidence of a coverup by the Party, exciting Smith that such docuмentation exists. However, O'Brien then destroys the evidence in the memory hole and denies not only the existence of the evidence but also any memory of his actions. Smith realizes that this is doublethink in action, as O'Brien has actively suppressed his memory of both a politically inconvenient fact and his action taken to destroy the evidence of it."

"Doublethink:"

"In the novel, its origin within the typical citizen is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother's formal brainwashingprogrammes,^[2] the novel explicitly shows people learning doublethink and newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to "fit in", or gain status within the Party—to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize—let alone mention—any contradiction within the context of the Party line was akin to blasphemy, and could subject that person to disciplinary action and to the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members."

TxTrad · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2018, 07:01:58 PM »

As a friend of mine would say:
The Sspx is just throwing their founder under the bus, again.

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