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Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2023, 11:56:39 PM »
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  • I don’t find Fr. Paul Robinson dangerous.  If he were right, I’d agree with him.  He’s just wrong.  

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #31 on: April 13, 2023, 03:00:19 AM »
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  • Best not to say that name out loud.
    Ah so! Finally points to the source of a certain reign of terror in 2019.


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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #32 on: April 16, 2023, 12:41:22 AM »
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  • Best not to say that name out loud.
    NOT Celier BUT EMMANUEL DU CHALARD!

    Communiqué from the General House of the Society of Saint Pius X concerning the Nov. 22, 2018 meeting between Cardinal Ladaria and Fr. Pagliarani.

    On Thursday, November 22, 2018, Fr. David Pagliarani, Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X, traveled to Rome at the invitation of Cardinal Luis Ladaria Ferrer, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He was accompanied by Fr. Emmanuel du Chalard. Cardinal Ladaria was assisted by Archbishop Guido Pozzo, Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei.

    The meeting took place in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, from 4:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. Its purpose was to allow Cardinal Ladaria and Fr. Pagliarani to meet for the first time and together to take stock of the relations between the Holy See and the Society of Saint Pius X since the election of its new Superior General last July.

    During the meeting with the Roman authorities, it was recalled that the fundamental problem is actually doctrinal, and neither the Society nor Rome can escape this fact. Because of this irreducible doctrinal divergence, for the past seven years no attempt to compose a draft of a doctrinal statement acceptable to both parties has succeeded. This is why the doctrinal question remains absolutely essential.

    The Holy See says the same when it solemnly declares that no canonical status can be established for the Society until after the signing of a doctrinal docuмent.

    Therefore, everything impels the Society to resume theological discussions with the awareness that the Good Lord does not necessarily ask the Society to convince its interlocutors, but rather to bear unconditional witness to the faith in the sight of the Church.

    The future of the Society is in the hands of Providence and the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, as is demonstrated by its whole history, from the Society's foundation to this day.

    The members of the Society want nothing else but to serve the Church and to cooperate effectively in her regeneration, to the point of giving their lives for her triumph if necessary. But they can choose neither the manner, nor the terms, nor the moment of what belongs to God alone.

    Menzingen, November 23, 2018

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #33 on: April 16, 2023, 06:34:03 AM »
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  • Best not to say that name out loud.

    What do you mean, Sean?

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #34 on: April 16, 2023, 06:41:03 AM »
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  • I don’t find Fr. Paul Robinson dangerous.  If he were right, I’d agree with him.  He’s just wrong. 

    Since he’s a priest, his being wrong makes him dangerous, as he’s in a position to influence others.  Being a “Traditional” priest makes him even more dangerous.  “Look, even a Traditional priest believes …”. I have a long history in Jesuit schools, and I have seen nothing destroy the faith of young people more quickly and more thoroughly than the doubts they instilled about the historicity and veracity of Sacred Scripture.  Modernism has its roots there.  Once any part of Scripture is called into doubt, all of it is up for grabs.


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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #35 on: April 16, 2023, 06:45:09 AM »
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  • Since he’s a priest, his being wrong makes him dangerous, as he’s in a position to influence others.  Being a “Traditional” priest makes him even more dangerous.  “Look, even a Traditional priest believes …”. I have a long history in Jesuit schools, and I have seen nothing destroy the faith of young people more quickly and more thoroughly than the doubts they instilled about the historicity and veracity of Sacred Scripture.  Modernism has its roots there.  Once any part of Scripture is called into doubt, all of it is up for grabs.

    This.

    A priest, SACERDOS, is supposed to be a "pontifex", a bridge, between God and man. He brings the sacred things and gives them to men. "Sacra dans".

    Fr. Robinson, instead, is a BRIDGE between Trads and full-fledged Modernists. He's that necessary first step that is necessary to win TRADS over. You know the old "meet them where they are" tactic of salesmen and missionaries? Well, full Modernism (especially the whole Conciliar package, banners and all) isn't very attractive to cradle Trads. HOWEVER...if you could get the camel's nose under the tent... if you could get your foot in the door, perhaps start questioning the full literal veracity of Sacred Scripture, maybe ONE or TWO tenets held by the Modernists, MORE OF THAT HERESY COULD FOLLOW, LATER...

    And yes, even a protestant preacher (Ken Ham for example) understands this danger, and is right about this: once you form the habitual frame of mind of reading Scripture as a book of myths, allegories, or pious fables, then IT'S ALL OVER spiritually speaking. Why believe in anything in Scripture, including the Resurrection? See the diabolical hoof prints all over this anti-Scriptural heresy of "the Old Earth"?
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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #36 on: April 16, 2023, 01:47:53 PM »
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  • I would consider Fr. Robinson 'dangerous' given his position teaching at the school.  He is capable of influencing the minds of these young people.  We homeschool, but my oldest told me, per friends at the school, that Fr Robinson holds debates on the subject.  I don't know how much sway he has over some of the older students, but the younger ones are certainly more impressionable.  If the parents are not knowledgeable they will not be able to speak on the subject themselves.

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #37 on: April 16, 2023, 01:58:32 PM »
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  • I would consider Fr. Robinson 'dangerous' given his position teaching at the school.  He is capable of influencing the minds of these young people.  We homeschool, but my oldest told me, per friends at the school, that Fr Robinson holds debates on the subject.  I don't know how much sway he has over some of the older students, but the younger ones are certainly more impressionable.  If the parents are not knowledgeable they will not be able to speak on the subject themselves.

    Protestants make movies about such teachers, who push evolution on the kids, mock creation before their faces, blaspheme God on the regular, etc.

    There was one movie in particular, about a professor who challenged a girl's dad to a public debate on Creation vs Evolution.

    And one of the "God's Not Dead" movies had a real villainous atheist professor, who actually ended up dying and having a deathbed conversion.

    A bad professor can have a HUGE effect on the next generation. That's why the bad guys want to control Education so much! And why we have to homeschool -- and be wary of who we send to what college.
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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #38 on: April 16, 2023, 04:15:27 PM »
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  • Protestants make movies about such teachers, who push evolution on the kids, mock creation before their faces, blaspheme God on the regular, etc.

    I could envision a Father Paul Robinson deriding some child in school for being a "Biblicist".  In fact, his term is derisive of many Traditional Catholics who happen to hold that the Sacred Scriptures are authored by the Holy Spirit and are the inerrant Word of God, and that, as the Pontifical Biblical Commission he loves to (falsely) appeal to ruled, to be considered historical unless it's otherwise obvious and interpreted in a non-historical way by unanimous Patristic teaching.  So, count me as a proud "Biblicist".  No Church Father believed Genesis to be an allegory, except arguably Origen (who was condemned for a fair number of heresies).

    And let us not forget how he threw Traditional Catholics who were opposed to the jab under the bus by refusing to sign their objection papers.

    Between what this man must say in sermons and what he must teach in schools, he's incredibly dangerous and walking among Traditional circles like a wrecking ball.

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #39 on: April 16, 2023, 07:29:49 PM »
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  • I could envision a Father Paul Robinson deriding some child in school for being a "Biblicist".  In fact, his term is derisive of many Traditional Catholics who happen to hold that the Sacred Scriptures are authored by the Holy Spirit and are the inerrant Word of God, and that, as the Pontifical Biblical Commission he loves to (falsely) appeal to ruled, to be considered historical unless it's otherwise obvious and interpreted in a non-historical way by unanimous Patristic teaching.  So, count me as a proud "Biblicist".  No Church Father believed Genesis to be an allegory, except arguably Origen (who was condemned for a fair number of heresies).

    And let us not forget how he threw Traditional Catholics who were opposed to the jab under the bus by refusing to sign their objection papers.

    Between what this man must say in sermons and what he must teach in schools, he's incredibly dangerous and walking among Traditional circles like a wrecking ball.

    I was concerned about his taking over Angelus Press and that perhaps he would have his old earth theory influence on the publishing house. I remember it used to publish the book written by Cardinal Ruffini against evolution. 

    It is shortsighted to go with the theory of evolution and not look into sources deeply enough. Not deeply enough in the sense of what the modernists mean, of course. Or in the name of a deeper understanding as how they might put it. 
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #40 on: April 18, 2023, 01:37:49 AM »
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  • What do you mean, Sean?
    Even Traditio will not touch him. His black acolyte is another character approaching similar status


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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #41 on: April 18, 2023, 02:14:57 AM »
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  • I change my mind.  If Fr. Robinson is teaching his heresy in schools to young people, that’s highly dangerous.  Who is his superior?  Are parents or any other students complaining?  His superior should silence him on the topic at once and require him to come to him or another trustworthy person for spiritual counsel.  What ages does he teach?  Haven’t parents complained?  What about older, teen or young adult students?  
    I remember Fr. Robinson from when he was a young teenager.  Unless he’s undergone a radical transformation in physical strength and appearance, or has become a tyrant, I don’t see any except children being intimidated by him.  Yes, he’s a priest and therefore must be spoken to with respect, but he’s obviously in need of correction.  If he won’t be spiritually corrected, then he at least must be silenced on the topic under obedience.  
    Speaking personally, no I’m not in the least afraid of him. I’ve studied into the matter and do not consider him a danger to my faith.  I doubt he’d listen to me, probably doesn’t remember me!  But I can put him in touch with two physicists, one with multiple doctorates, who could maybe set him straight.  One is a Baptist and the guy with Dr. Dr. Dr. before his name is an Orthodox Jew.  Now THAT would be a debate worth having!  A Traditional Catholic Evolutionist priest debating a religious Baptist physicist and a religious Orthodox Jєωιѕн physicist!  

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #42 on: April 18, 2023, 02:36:18 AM »
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  • Seraphina, If you do a search for Robinson you will find 17 pages with 30 entries per page, many of them dedicated to the modernism and heresy taught by Fr Robinson (with the blessing of the SSPX hierarchy). I don't how you can have missed it. He targets all ages and I even heard he has charge of the NO priests studying to transition to Tradition.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #43 on: April 18, 2023, 07:47:02 AM »
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  • I change my mind.  If Fr. Robinson is teaching his heresy in schools to young people, that’s highly dangerous.  Who is his superior? 

    Fr. Fullerton, the US District Superior is his superior.


    You may contact Fr. Robinson here:

    277 S. Watkins Road - Watkins, CO 80137

    303-325-7558  |  303-568-0193 fax

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    Re: SSPX's Most Dangerous Man
    « Reply #44 on: May 01, 2023, 02:32:34 AM »
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  • The other American Fr Themman, along with Robinson brought an end to the SSPX Australia seminary thus throwing prospective Asian and African vocations onto uncertain paths. Themman, rewarded with the superiorship of Australia is seen in his Rip Van Winkle soutane even when awake.