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Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2019, 05:57:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 07, 2019, 04:42:42 PM
    Well, Fr. Ripperger has said in several of his videos that he hopes that the SSPX will reconcile with Rome, so I think he'd be fine with that. He wants the SSPX to have ordinary jurisdiction (or delegated jurisdiction?) which is apparently a HUGE deal for him.
    In one of Fr. Ripperger's videos, he mentioned that during an exorcism, the demon challenger him as to whose jurisdiction he was under. He named the bishop he was under and the demon ended its challenge and departed.



    I can't imagine what it must be like to be an exorcist, but based on this incident, I think it made Fr Ripperger realize the importance of being part of the hierarchy of the Church.
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #16 on: July 07, 2019, 06:12:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on July 07, 2019, 05:57:03 PM
    In one of Fr. Ripperger's videos, he mentioned that during an exorcism, the demon challenger him as to whose jurisdiction he was under. He named the bishop he was under and the demon ended its challenge and departed.

    I can't imagine what it must be like to be an exorcist, but based on this incident, I think it made Fr Ripperger realize the importance of being part of the hierarchy of the Church.
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    I think, if an SSPX priest were performing the exorcism, the answer would be
    "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST", because in our present day, Rome has lost
    the Faith.  Therefore the eternal Church is able to provide jurisdiction in cases
    of emergency.  And we are in emergency times.
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    This is a concept that Fr Ripperger does not understand, it seems.
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #17 on: July 07, 2019, 06:15:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on July 07, 2019, 05:57:03 PM
    In one of Fr. Ripperger's videos, he mentioned that during an exorcism, the demon challenger him as to whose jurisdiction he was under. He named the bishop he was under and the demon ended its challenge and departed.



    I can't imagine what it must be like to be an exorcist, but based on this incident, I think it made Fr Ripperger realize the importance of being part of the hierarchy of the Church.

    There is an open question about jurisdiction needed for exorcisms. IMO, it is not needed.

    The late Bp. Robert McKenna was consecrated a bishop by a sedevacantist bishop (Des Lauriers), and still he was able to perform successful exorcisms without ordinary jurisdiction (and I'm not a fan of sedevacantism).
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #18 on: July 07, 2019, 06:49:50 PM »
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    Well, Fr. Ripperger has said in several of his videos that he hopes that the SSPX will reconcile with Rome, so I think he'd be fine with that. He wants the SSPX to have ordinary jurisdiction (or delegated jurisdiction?) which is apparently a HUGE deal for him.

    OK, Meg. So how does Fr. R reconcile the tens of thousands of sspx confessions and marriage ceremonies conducted while sspx was still using "supplied jurisdiction?"  Will Rome simply shrug and say, "Oh well," and let all those sacramental enormities slip by unaddressed?  What mechanism would Fr. R. suggest to make heretofore "invalid sacraments" valid again?  Or would he insist that they were indeed invalid then, and must be done over?  I think Fr. R. has some splainin to do.
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #19 on: July 07, 2019, 07:20:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on July 07, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
    OK, Meg. So how does Fr. R reconcile the tens of thousands of sspx confessions and marriage ceremonies conducted while sspx was still using "supplied jurisdiction?"  Will Rome simply shrug and say, "Oh well," and let all those sacramental enormities slip by unaddressed?  What mechanism would Fr. R. suggest to make heretofore "invalid sacraments" valid again?  Or would he insist that they were indeed invalid then, and must be done over?  I think Fr. R. has some splainin to do.

    Good questions. I have no idea how he would reconcile all of the previous SSPX confessions. Rome doesn't seem to care about all of the previous confessions before Francis gave his permission for the SSPX to hear confessions. The issue might just be ignored.

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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #20 on: July 07, 2019, 09:44:27 PM »
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    Rome doesn't seem to care about all of the previous confessions before Francis gave his permission for the SSPX to hear confessions. The issue might just be ignored.

    That's probably true.  No one expects Rome to be very precise about anything doctrinal or liturgical.  But Fr. R has always been so punctilious about these things.  However, I'll bet he does his best to lay previous positions aside, and hope that he's not called to account for the many statements he's made in the past about invalid sacraments.  He'll just whistle past the graveyard and hope that he does not awaken any spooks.
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #21 on: July 09, 2019, 05:10:19 PM »
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    • Obviously Fr Ripperger is one not to be trifled with. He was pastor at SJA with a very biting wit. He almost went off the rails at the end of his tenure there. Got so bad about his bluntness about the breaking of the 6th and 9th commandments that I almost walked out one day (scandal to the little ones). He is of the sort, I tend to believe, that believes no big deal the Church has been through this before. Just stay united to Rome and everything will be fine. O and finally, shut up and obey.

    A very dangerous person to be listening too if this is the Apocalypse.
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #22 on: July 09, 2019, 07:09:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: King Wenceslas on July 09, 2019, 05:10:19 PM
    Obviously Fr Ripperger is one not to be trifled with. He was pastor at SJA with a very biting wit. He almost went off the rails at the end of his tenure there. Got so bad about his bluntness about the breaking of the 6th and 9th commandments that I almost walked out one day (scandal to the little ones). 
    Biting wit? Bluntness?  He should come to NYC area.  We could use a priest like him.  And if he goes too far, we can take it as well as dish it out!
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #23 on: July 10, 2019, 05:01:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: King Wenceslas on July 09, 2019, 05:10:19 PM
    He is of the sort, I tend to believe, that believes no big deal the Church has been through this before. Just stay united to Rome and everything will be fine. O and finally, shut up and obey.


    After listening to many of his talks, that is not at all an accurate impression of him. The Dolorians are an order that are both contemplative and exorcists.
    There is a difference between having a thorough understanding of Church history (and numerous horrific popes), and a Pollyanna "everything will be fine" approach.
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    Re: Spiritual Warfare by Fr Ripperger (traditional priest)
    « Reply #24 on: July 10, 2019, 05:04:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on July 07, 2019, 06:12:53 PM
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    I think, if an SSPX priest were performing the exorcism, the answer would be
    "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST", because in our present day, Rome has lost
    the Faith.  Therefore the eternal Church is able to provide jurisdiction in cases
    of emergency.  And we are in emergency times.
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    This is a concept that Fr Ripperger does not understand, it seems.
    Perhaps you are more knowledgeable about demons and their required obedience to Church hierarchy. Perhaps you are not.
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